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DEC error post L6 upgrade 52
This week I updated to L6, and tonight was my first night out. Immediately I encounter an odd error that I previously had when I first got my mount. This was best emphasized in N.I.N.A. when I attempted to slew to M81 through the framing tool. First I start getting this error "DEC coordinate is invalid or inaccessible". To be honest I was messing around so much I do not know what I changed that got rid of this error. But what came next has me perplexed, and this is what I was experiencing when I first got my mount: So M81 is RA 09 & DEC +69 (per Cartes du Ciel). In Framing tool NINA reports the same. But what NINA slews to is this: 05/18/2024 23:28:31 09:58:45 49¡ã 24' 17" 19¡ã 47' 52" -00:03:46 19¡ã 47' 33" -2390.23 50267.75 179.38612877930223 Cartes is showing the cursor right over M81, yet plate solving is way off. Better yet it does slew to correct and I get this: 05/18/2024 23:28:05 09:25:10 89¡ã 21' 45" 20¡ã 10' 27" 00:03:42 -20¡ã 10' 27" 2347.97 -51221.63 171.84309889679707 And it goes right back to where it started and 05/18/2024 23:27:39 09:49:14 48¡ã 36' 51" 20¡ã 35' 31" 00:05:44 20¡ã 34' 48" 3640.97 52263.55 179.40811750502564 I restarted Gemini multiple times, even did "Reset SRAM to Factory Defaults". I went to Gemini site and double checked my address to get the coordinates Latitude & Longitude: 45:03:52 -94:02:40 From the mount: Longitude -94¡ã02'40 Latitude +45¡ã03'52 I even tried messing with the time zone offset changing from -5 to -6. This was the problem I had when I first got the mount. I would slew to a target and I would be off as if my time was off my 3-4 hours. Stranger still when I slewed to M101 up around Meridian at this time, my telescope was pointing south when, as if my location was off. Another strange sign was when I slewed to Alp Lyr which was about 35 degrees yet the telescope started to slew as if it was something odd like 5 degrees altitude. I do have a NTP server, and it does appear to sync. The mount currently reports accurately the time from the web UI. One thing to note that I do not believe would have been a factor. I did get the side by side but I don't see how that would have affected anything except if some weird bug in new L6 firmware when rotating DEC.
Started by Sean @ · Most recent @
Toothy PE Measurement in PEMPro - L6 7
I recently upgraded to Level 6 (6.02) and decided to run new PE measurements and generate a PEC curve. I've run into a toothy/jagged PE measurement. I had this issue before with L5 and the solution for this was to adjust ADU values for the star used for the measurement. It is not working in this case. I am using the latest version available of PEMPro (v3.10.07). Things I attempted: Adjust exposure above and below 2 minutes (images below are from 0.5 seconds and show the same pattern as they do at 2 seconds) Choose Losmandy G11 rather than Gemini 4/5/6 as the mount type Choose worm cycles at 2x and 1x within Gemini. Adjusted ADU minimum ADU values as low as 3,000 and maximums as high as 20,000 (5000 for low and 15,000 for high had been original settings) I ran calibration wizard though settings and angles are unchanged from my previous successful measurements. Considering the work that went into getting PEMPro v3 functional for L6, I suspect something related to user error (v2.0) is going on here. An interesting side note, I loaded my old PEMPro-generated PEC curve into Level 6 and have run it for two sessions since updating from L5 to L6. These have been my two best guided sessions ever with this mount. Admittedly, two sessions do not equal evidence of better real-world guiding performance with L6 since there are so many variables that can influence guiding. They are still well within the realm of coincidence, but it is a coincidence that I am liking. George
Started by George Stallings @ · Most recent @
Garmin GPS issue for Gemini version 1.04? 10
Hi all. Haven't posted here in a long while, mostly because my G11 and Gemini have been working like a dream mount. I've had the mount for 10 years, and made a few upgrades that have improved it substantially. My question is with regard to the Garmin GPS that Losmandy sold with the level 1.04. I tried to use it last night, and it connected with the Gemini just fine, but once the time/date, and location were updated, I noticed that the time and date were wrong. I tried it a second time, with the same results. The lat/long coordinates were correct. I know that there has been a recent glitch with GPS units all over, so I was wondering if this might be the cause. And if so, what remedy is available to me. Thanks in advance for any help I can get from the group. Ron Yates
Started by Ron Yates @ · Most recent @
Has anyone from Spain updated to level 6? 5
Hello, did anyone from Spain update to level 6? I would like to update and I have no idea. greetings
Started by davidrico13@... @ · Most recent @
RS-232 port damaged 22
I own a Losmandy G11-Gemini 1. As AAVSO member I¡¯m working in variable stars. My last session was two nights ago. The work was fine in the first night: connect to TheSkyXPro via ¡°ATEN USB ¨CSerial Bridge¡±, using ASCOM v6.6 as mount, find the star, slew to it, taking images, and so on. But during the second night it was impossible to connect the mount to the planetarium of PC (Windows 10, ic7) through the ¡°ATEN USB ¨CSerial Bridge¡±. The PC showed that the bridge was connected. I restarted the computer without results. I used NINA and Stellarium, nothing. After I chose GM-11-G Equatorial Mount instead of ASCOM, nothing. I changed the ATEN, with the same result. Finally, I used other PC, the same. If the problem is not the planetarium, the PC, the cable, the conclusion is that the problem is in the RS-232 port. Are you agree? All the other devices connect without problem. I would greatly appreciate your advices. If the RS-232 port is damaged are there solutions? Thanks. Luis Barneo Oviedo, Spain
Started by Luis Barneo @ · Most recent @
Elongated Stars 18
Hi everyone. I'm back from the eclipse trip, happily imaging with my GM811G at L6. For the most part everything is going great. Seeing has been really good lately and I've seen total RMS dip into the 0.2's which is the best that I've ever seen. The issue is that RA is usually higher than DEC, something like 1.5 x to 2 x, and I can see really good data, but the stars are elongated. I don't see the elongation very much when the seeing is not quite so good. When RMS tends to be around 0.5 to 0.4, the random jitters from the atmosphere seem to average out better and I get round stars. Data is not nearly so beautiful, but the elongation is not apparent. Any idea how I can tame the RA when seeing is exceptional? I have successfully trained PEC with PEMPro and it seems to work, but it does not make much difference to the guiding performance. First world problems, I know, but does anyone have an idea about how I can tame RA when seeing is exceptional? -- jamie.amendolagine@... https://astropifi.blogspot.com/ https://telescopius.com/profile/james_amendolagine
Started by Jamie Amendolagine @ · Most recent @
Which direction for final move on PA adjustment? 6
I'm set up on a permanent pier, which has 4'of concrete in the ground, and 8 embedded bolts per the 'pier bible' how-to book. It's an 8" pipe on top of that and the MA Adapter is bored down directly with no 'rat cage'. I can get great PA and see guiding that shows minor oscillations in Dec both ways. Then the next session I'll see good guiding but Dec is always correcting the same direction, and if I re-run PA it confirms I am off by a fee arc-min. Easy enough to adjust, but with a permanent pier like this I would have expected less. I'm wondering if I have forgotten which direction the last move should be, and perhaps I'm seeing some settling of the gear after making adjistments. So if I'm in front of the scope looking South, which way should my final move be- clockwise or counter clockwise? Brian
Started by BBasiaga @ · Most recent @
Western weight 6
I 3D printed a bracket that clamps on to the DEC axis and has a vixen shaped column on the western side onto which I clamp a 5lb ADM accessory dovetail counterweight. Purpose of this is to have the western side of the mount slightly weighted. When I had the mount perfectly balanced I would notice a bit of backlash while guiding so this is an attempt to correct. I¡¯ll post an update of the guiding here once I get a clear night (yeah good luck with that) from this SoCal marine layer. Rainy winter -> May grey -> June gloom.
Started by Ryan Noonan @ · Most recent @
G11 RA Ring Gear Cover removal 5
Good evening, Had some worm/ring interface chatter that was growing worse over time (with worsening guiding) and I had a couple of spare hours today so I decided to clean and regrease my RA axis (DEC to follow this weekend). I followed the videos for the the cleaning/grease kit from Losmandy but it really only covered the needle bearings and didn't go into the removal/cleaning of the ring gear. I managed to get those three small cap screws off the backside of the RA axis that hold the ring gear cover to the front of the mount but that bottom one sure was annoying, especially getting it tightened back in... Is there a trick to that one? Are people removing the RA Axis from the altitude adjustment block? Thanks Ryan Noonan
Started by Ryan Noonan @ · Most recent @
excessive play in center transfer gear 4
The center transfer gear on the RA axis (from motor to worm) on my G11T has a lot of tilt play even though the screw is tight. I tried to add a washer but that just prevents the gear from rotating. Is the tilt play normal?
Started by Brian Maynard @ · Most recent @
RA clutch slip? 7
Been struggling with RA movement recently (a few nights). PHD2 calibration settings are calibration expert defaults. 12 steps for both RA and Dec. Using PHD2 Calibration Wizard tool to slew and calibrate, the first calibration of the night can take 25-50 steps for RA, then 12 for Dec. I have re-calibrated with the wizard, and the step count for RA remains very high. Last night it started at about 15, then 14, then 13, which I finally accepted. The subsequent GA run showed about a 20¡± PA error. I¡¯m usually 1-5¡± off at worst. other nights 30-50 steps, and after tightening clutch, checking snags, etc etc, takes >10 calibration runs to get acceptable RA. I¡¯m looking for ¡°most obvious thing that is going wrong¡± Oil on clutch surface ¡°Newer¡± wavy washer on RA axis PEMPro 2 cycle analysis performed, and PEM on while calibrating. Should it be off? Clutch too tight Clutch too loose Guidescope 210mm FL, with ASI290 camera, binned 2, giving ~5.4¡±/px (I think) Guide scope flexure? Is rigidly bolted. Guidescope/camera frame orientation probably well off RA/Dec alignment (don¡¯t think this is ever a problem though, is it?) Guidescope focus? Gain? Other? Thanks much, Dale
Started by DaleN @ · Most recent @
Toothy/Jagged Guiding with PEC 22
I was wondering whether anyone had any ideas what is going on with my guiding graphs or even if anything at all is going on with them. With PEC on or off, my guiding graphs look toothy/jagged. There are some areas that are smooth, but otherwise, it is a jagged appearance rather than the curved lines I see in images of other people's graphs. Obviously, if I change the scale these look much flatter. Would an overly tight RA worm gear cause this or could it be the result of poor seeing? I recently adjusted my worm gear and I have little idea of what is too tight. My unguided graphs look the same, so this isn't issue an issue with the PEC itself. Guided: Unguided: George
Started by George Stallings @ · Most recent @
G11T Gemini 2 L6 safety limits 3
I have the safety limits set for my G11T. I woke up this morning to find the mount on the east side of the pier after a meridian flip way past my safety limit and against the pier. This was the first night I have let NINA run a sequence with this mount. I have NINA set to meridian flip 5 min past the meridian. This is within my safety limits. I don't know why the mount would flip, go past the safety limit and crash the scope on the east side of the pier. Any idea what may have happened?
Started by Brian Maynard @ · Most recent @
Level 6 upgrade instructions 4
I finally have a Pic3 programmer in hand (and the eclipse is over so less worry about bricking my mount) ... I do not have the official Losmandy kit which appears to be backordered now, anyway. I am trying to find DIY instructions for upgrading to Level 6. I saw that Paul posted some links to this group on Feb 6, but all of those seem to reference the home page of Gemini 2 now. Is there a standard spot where instructions are posted or can anyone who already went the DIY route direct me to instructions and firmware downloads? Thank you! -- Edward
Started by Edward Plumer @ · Most recent @
Sunspot Activity
I didn't get anything last night, but here is a shot of the massive sunspot that is causing all the spectacular light shows.
Started by peter@... @
G11G Wobbles 29
My G11G seems to 'wobble' at the scope level and mount level and I am curious to know if this is the reason my PA is always off by 5+ arc minutes everytime I check it. My mount is permanently installed in my observatory and I noticed that if I do an extreme tightening of the ALT 4 bolts, it does help but the wobble is still there. I've been ignoring this for a while but having a hard time trying to understand why my PA is always off. My mount is on a 20" wide, concrete filled sonotube that is buried 5' feet in the ground with another 5 inches above the ground in my observatory. My pier is a PT2 and I literally was trying to rock that yesterday and using a digital level, there is no movement in it (it is an adjustable pier but I have not moved it in over a year and it is at its lowest position and has remained there). I have a SW120ED scope installed and an Losmandy RA extension tube and I have verified all bolts throughout the system is very tight. Any advice would be apprecicated. Hopefully the video I attached here (along with ALT picture) goes through.
Started by Russ @ · Most recent @
Guiding Comment and Question RE: L6.2 2
OK... so I believe I have upgraded everything required for the L6.2 upgrade. I installed the L6.2 firmware on the circuit board, updated the HC to latest, updated Gemini driver to latest, update ASCOM to latest, and flashed my servo chips with the PIC kit with the latest .hex file. I'm running an Edge 14 on a Losmandy Titan mount, using an ONAG, so with the 0.7X reducer, my guiding F/L is 2737mm. After the firmware upgrades, I tried getting away with not having to re-calibrate PHD2..... no way. So, I started re-calibrating, and the first few attempts wound up in failure. But, I wasn't seeing movement of the star for each calibration step. So.... I increased the number of pixels per step, saw movement, and got a pretty good calibration. The number of steps per axis were both in the teens, expected rates for both RA and DEC were extremely close, and orthogonality was OK.... previously with L5 I had a calibration of 1.0 or less, this time I got 2.9.... the axes looked perpendicular to the naked eye, but the value was a little high. I can probably try again and do better for orthogonality. But, my comment is that for each time I ran a calibration, and it was probably more than 5 times, the plots of the steps were exactly on the axes.... no deviation. Makes me kind of wonder if that relates to the encoder resolution improvement. My real question is this: I recently ran PEMPro with L5, and uploaded a nice PEC curve to the mount. My thinking was that the gears have not changed with the L 6.2 upgrade..... so would the improvement in encoder resolution necessitate my re-running PEMPro, or it would not make a difference? I do have the newest version of PEMPro that handles L 6.2. Thanks so much. Dan
Started by dkfcpalfd@... @ · Most recent @
Drawing Needed 7
I am going to disassemble my G11G off my permanent pier tonight and check and see if the bolt between the pier and G11G base is a little loose. I don't like the fact the whole assembly seems to wobble and my PA is always off by 5 arc minutes everytimeI check it. I believe the base of the G11G has a single hole in it for as mounting hole for a bolt from a pier. Is this correct? Drawing or picture would be appreciated.
Started by Russ @ · Most recent @
Level 6 performance 3
A related question... I'm one of many who has had the upgrade done (by Losmandy) but not tested it out fully; it works, but I don't know what aspects of performance are improved. Are people in fact getting smoother tracking or other improvements in performance?
Started by Michael A. Covington @ · Most recent @
Pempro purchase? 8
I have been putting off purchasing Pempro for the past year while waiting for the Losmandy version (Gempro??). Are there any updates on that yet?
Started by Russ @ · Most recent @
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