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Re: Leaving Mount in the sun

 

Hey Louie, thanks for the insight. I will definitely get some aftermarket lube.

As for the age of the mount, it just had its first birthday last week, and is still using its factory grease. I have read here that Losmandy uses a synthetic lubricant that shouldn't be even close to separating at the temps my mount is exposed to, but maybe I'm wrong.?

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-Kevin


Re: Leaving Mount in the sun

 

Hi Kevin,

How old is your G11T? The grease used is a common problem, when hot it melts and migrates out of the clutches and into places you do not want oil, the clutches. The grease you choose must not melt and run off in the hot and in the cold it must remain soft as peanut butter.?

Order some Synco Super Lube multi-purpose synthetic grease with Syncolon (Teflon) NOT the Silicone based version from amazon.com before you disassemble the mount to clean the clutches which should be run clean and dry or you can get slippage.?

Disassembly is ease and as others have mentioned there are plenty of videos online to guide you. Use solvent to remove old grease and do not use excessive globs of new grease when relubing, all a bearing needs is a film but you also want to use enough to protect the bearings from contamination so use a little more than a film once worked into a bearing and worm. All other surfaces should be dry and clean.?

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Chip Louie - Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware


Re: C/2020 F3 Neowise

 

Beautiful!!


On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 4:30 AM Sebastian Kotulski <sebkotulski@...> wrote:
Hi,

my picture of comet Neowise taken last week. Losmandy GM8, Canon 1100D, ED50/330?

Seb


Re: Leaving Mount in the sun

 

While not quite in the sun, my equipment stays out 365. I have a SkyshedPOD and a fixed pier. The mount, telescopes and wiring remain setup. When not in use, the whole assembly is covered by a large aluminized cover I bought from ScopeStuff. Don't know what temperatures the equipment under the cover reaches, but in this heatwave the min/max thermometer in the dome gets up to 112F. Doesn't seem to hurt anything, but I wish it would discourage the spiders...

greg latiak
avalon observatory


C/2020 F3 Neowise

 

Hi,

my picture of comet Neowise taken last week. Losmandy GM8, Canon 1100D, ED50/330?

Seb


Re: Leaving Mount in the sun

Keith N
 

Kevin:

The clutches should be bone dry of any grease else they may slip.? Scott has a YouTube on cleaning the clutch surfaces (including pads). My guess this is grease separating and migrating from the needle bearings.

Keith


Re: Leaving Mount in the sun

 

That is for the reply. Have you ever see a little pooling of lubricant under the ra axis after super hot weeks?


Re: Long Term Non Use

Sonny Edmonds
 

I bring in my "chunks" every day as a rule. (The CFO's rules) 8^0
But I can also assemble it in my home office/man cave so I can run it or play around with it.

If you could do something like that, store it inside and excersize it now and then, there would be no worries at all.

As long as you don't live in an aquarium.... ;^)
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SonnyE


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Re: Leaving Mount in the sun

Sonny Edmonds
 

It's OK, Kevin.
I leave my tripod out and covered. But everything else comes in out of the heat of summer.
So nothing electrical is outside in the heat. Beyond the heat stressing the lubricants, people don't realize excessive heat also stresses the capacitors in the electronics.

I do a new Model every night anyway, and I have my mount "modularized" into "chunks" for moving back and forth.
1. 12" EX12 has the Gemini and wiring harness, and the RA on it; 2. The RAEXT carries the DEC and the bar/weight as a chunk; 3. And lastly is the telescope assembly. (Mine is everything from a D Bar up.)
I cover my tripod with a heavy canvas painters tarp and my 32 gallon plastic dome.
But the tripod remains polar oriented, so when I set up the pieces, the bayonet indexes bring the RA into near Polar Alignment.

The mount is as near a perfect mount as any ever made.
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SonnyE


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Re: Leaving Mount in the sun

 


Sorry to revive a dead topic, but it isn't worth making a brand new one for a comment.?

I have left my G11T out (sans electronics) with a mylar cover on my deck since early June and I went out today to wipe it and notices a nickel-sized puddle of oil that appears to have been running off the RA clutch. It's been very hot here in Kansas City this year (92-95f this week and my deck gets over 110f).

So I brought the elephant inside and spun the RA axis around for a few minutes while it cooled to redistribute the lube. Needless to say it gave me a spook and I'll probably be giving Scott a call to make sure I don't need to tear it down and re-lube it, or check other internal parts for lube runoff.?

MysMy is that the clutches use something like a gun oil, or bicycle wet-lube for chains and cassettes and this isn't the same as the synthetic grease used for the bearings and gears, but I want to be sure before I load it up again with 60lbs of gear and 35lbs of weights. Also rain is forecast all week so I can't really measure PEC until I have another rare good night of seeing.?


Re: Resurrecting GM8

 

Surprised they are still that price. I know aluminum is not 76 cents a pound anymore. The 1.5" aluminum round stock must run about $10. But I wouldn't bother to make my own at that price and I'm cheap.


Re: Stall and Control box

 

Hi Tim,

As I discover more about getting better planetary images, I will give that advice freely.? ?And I do have some new things to share...??here is what I discovered:

First of all...the photo attached is surely my best final imsge.? Again, I used the C14EdgeHD ... manually focussed with the telescope focus knob (expecting a motor focusser to come in later this week).? ?Seeing was better than average that night, but not as perfect as Clear Sky Chart sometimes shows rarely.? That picture should have turned out badly on a 14 inch scope.? But it didn't....

?It was shot on the ZWO ASI224 camera (3.75 um pixel size) at f/11... With a ZWO ADC atmospheric dispersion corrector in place in front of the camera.? It was shot at prime focus with a 1.25 inch visual back...no Crayford for fine focus. A nice Crayford I have put the camera image plane too far back of the 5.75 inch recommended image plane distance.? In that scope you can be inside of 5.75 inches, but image sharpness gets worse past 5.75 inches.? It's a critical element of the EdgeHD scopes that I did not know when I bought it (used earlier this year).??

At the time of that video recording, I did not use a UVIR filter and so about 20% of the Red light was from long wavelength IR.? I only discovered that difference the following night...so use a UVIR filter to improve contrast.? I now use that UVIR in the cameras front nosepiece.

There were a few "rules of thumb" that were told me years ago when I first tried planetary imaging.? They were:

1. Rule: Only try imaging when the Clear Sky Chart shows excellent (darkest color bars) for seeing.? I find this to be wrong:? I'll explain.? The Clear Sky Chart is not able to say that there may be short windows of excellent seeing maybe 30 minutes or so, between periods of turbulent air.? It just gives the overall prediction for its time window.? Sometimes you get very lucky if you are set up and shooting... And sometimes it predicts perfect seeing and that wish does not come true either. It really is "lucky imaging."

[ See the incredible images from? Anthony Wesley of Australia....here:


Anthony Wesley explained that his best image came from a night he was not expecting great seeing, but then, the sky stabilized and...voila.? (He has a fabulous scope, a Robert Royce 16 inch Newtonian mirror...essentially flawless.? That sure helps!) ]

2.? Rule: You must use the f# that is "5x your video camera pixel um size". You are supposed to use a 2x or 2.5x (best is a Tele vue Powermate) to get the f#.? Example: on my ASI224MC camera, with it's 3.75 um pixels... this means I should be trying to get f/18.5.? so by that rule, I should have used a 2X tele to get my f11 scope to be f/22.? Yet I find this wrong too...I got the incredible image attached using that ASI224 at f/11.? ?

Why did f/11 and no 2x tele work???

When you use a 2X tele, you get 1/4th the light into each pixel.? So to get the exposure to be say 80% of full, you need 4X the exposure time.? If the seeing is so-so not perfect, the longer exposures blur out the image frame.? Using no 2X at all gives a 4X faster exposure so can "freeze" the seeing and get you clearer frames.

And for the same exposure time, say 180 sec, you get 4X the number of frames without the 2X tele.? I got 44,000 frames in each of the 180 sec exposures.? autostakkert3 (AS3) can throw out a lot of frames and have plenty to stack.

3. Don't shoot more frames than like 60 sec else the planet Jupiter will spin and the frames at the front of the video won't stack with the rotated frames at the end of the video.? No longer true: The free program WinJuPos solves this, by creating a replacement video that "de-rotates" the frames.? I do not understand yet how it performs this magic trick...but it does.? (I'll send a separate document on how to use WinJuPos.)

Last night I tried a different ASI camera.? The ASI224MC has 3.75 um pixels, so ideally (by the rule of thumb) requires f/18.5 .? The ASI178MC has smaller 2.4um pixels...so by the rule requires f/12.? My scope us f/11...that's close enough to f/12 that I don't need the 2X tele, and my exposures can be faster.

Also the ASI178 is made to use Backside Exposure.? This put the light into the pixel silicon region with no metal wiring to block the photons.? The 224 uses frontside exposure and has the metal pixel connections in the way if some of the light. The 224 is more sensitive to red and far less sensitive to blue. The 178 is more sensitive to blue than red due to the backside detection.? I have yet to process my images of last night but I think they were better.??

I used to take maybe a few thousand frames.? Now I see the benefit of taking a huge number of frames.??

Rule: use the deNoise capability of Registax wavelets:? in Registax6 wavelets, I used to only use Linear Gaussian and I was putting the DeNoise number to be 2X the Sharpen number.? What that did was to blur out the final image... it certainly denoised it, but too much.? Now I use the Default Linear wavelet setting and there is no DeNoise being applied.? For my present work that works better.

I follow up the Registax6 TIF 16 bit output with Photoshop (CS5).? Then I use the Image Size tool to expand to 200% of the original.? I use the Bicubic_Smoother selection as Photoshop says "best for enlargements." Then I copy layers,? use the Unsharp Mask at different settings like 1.7 pixel or 0.9 pixel, to gradually sharpen up the final image.? I also may have to look for noisy areas of the image, Mask them and use the noise reduction tools.??

In photoshop, after you generate your final image, flatten it. Then use the Channels tab to look at the Red, the Green, and the Blue separately as B&W images.? The blue likely has the most noise: the air scatters blue light much better than it scatters Red light.? It's why the sky is blue!? You can then use the Noise reduction tools in Photoshop to reduce noise in the Blue channel.? Likewayse examine the green and the Red channels.??

I also found that if I sharpen too much in Registax6, any colorful moons floating in the picture can become totally white and blown out.? RS6 is not smart enough to rescale the pixel intensity so it remains within the gamut.? (That seems to me a silly processing problem...should have been easy to program it to stay in gamut bounds...but it doesn't. ) So I process the same AS3 output image twice in RS6...once for the planet sharpening, on slightly less sharp for the moons process.? Then I combine the two RS6 images in Photoshop using small masks to get the colorful moons in with the sharper planet image.? ?

Hope this stuff helps you...but I need to write another document for you...showing the steps with examples...

Stay well and enjoy life and health,

Michael



On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 8:26 AM Astronut <hg2u@...> wrote:
Hi Michael,
THANK YOU FOR THE EXCELLENT DETAILED GUIDE !!!!!
?I really really want you to know how appreciative I am that you detailed the equipment setup as well as the imaging and processing details.
Especially on the ADC, I have read what little has been published on it, but it only kinda made sense.
Your instructions are easy to follow, detailed and precise, THANKS!

I'm printing this and taking it with me as an operating guide tonight.

I also have the ASI 224 and ADC, IR Cut filter,? 2" 2x & 2.5x barlows, and a 12" LX200 GPS (F/10) OTA and am excited to try this out tonight !

We need to figure out how to make posts like yours 'sticky' to others can benefit as well...
I would have not realized the benefit to do final collimation at same target elevation, my mirror lock works ok, but just ok.
I actually switched to a small refractor for just the reason you mentioned, I was tired of fighting the seeing turbulance, and always felt I could get a little sharper image than I usually got.
Also the imaging scale change from .5"/px to 1.4"/px didn't hurt my guiding... :)

I do have another question for you, I believe you are using an extended CW shaft, I have been experimenting on the difference between using 2 21# cw's down low on the cw shaft, compared to 3 21# cw's way up on the shaft, and I kinda felt like the mount worked better with less total CW #, even though it was way farther down on the cw shaft. Do you feel the same, based on your experience ?
(I also experienced the need to make sure the legs are really tight to eliminate creep, In fact although I have the machined hand tighten optional knobs for attaching the RA to the MA?, I find I get better results when I actually use the allen wrench to make sure those are more than hand tight, especially with the 12" OTA, as well as I noticed that the tightness of the 2 RA (hold down wing bolts?) made a huge difference on my PA stability, so much that I replaced the 'handles' with the same indexable 3" long handles used on the leg adjustment of the FHD tripod. It made PA much easier with heavier loads without making my fingers sore.)

Thanks again for this excellent guide!
Astronut Tim


Re: Stall and Control box

 

Michael,?
What binning, gain setting and (Offset?) were you using ??
Also, did you have best results using the ASCOM driver for the ASI224, or the native driver in FireCapture?

Finally, did you ever try to do a test run with ADC (wizard?) in daylight?
I was wondering if that was worth a go to try it in daylight, or just wait until darkness?

Thanks again,
Astronut Tim


Re: Stall and Control box

 

Hi Michael,
THANK YOU FOR THE EXCELLENT DETAILED GUIDE !!!!!
?I really really want you to know how appreciative I am that you detailed the equipment setup as well as the imaging and processing details.
Especially on the ADC, I have read what little has been published on it, but it only kinda made sense.
Your instructions are easy to follow, detailed and precise, THANKS!

I'm printing this and taking it with me as an operating guide tonight.

I also have the ASI 224 and ADC, IR Cut filter,? 2" 2x & 2.5x barlows, and a 12" LX200 GPS (F/10) OTA and am excited to try this out tonight !

We need to figure out how to make posts like yours 'sticky' to others can benefit as well...
I would have not realized the benefit to do final collimation at same target elevation, my mirror lock works ok, but just ok.
I actually switched to a small refractor for just the reason you mentioned, I was tired of fighting the seeing turbulance, and always felt I could get a little sharper image than I usually got.
Also the imaging scale change from .5"/px to 1.4"/px didn't hurt my guiding... :)

I do have another question for you, I believe you are using an extended CW shaft, I have been experimenting on the difference between using 2 21# cw's down low on the cw shaft, compared to 3 21# cw's way up on the shaft, and I kinda felt like the mount worked better with less total CW #, even though it was way farther down on the cw shaft. Do you feel the same, based on your experience ?
(I also experienced the need to make sure the legs are really tight to eliminate creep, In fact although I have the machined hand tighten optional knobs for attaching the RA to the MA?, I find I get better results when I actually use the allen wrench to make sure those are more than hand tight, especially with the 12" OTA, as well as I noticed that the tightness of the 2 RA (hold down wing bolts?) made a huge difference on my PA stability, so much that I replaced the 'handles' with the same indexable 3" long handles used on the leg adjustment of the FHD tripod. It made PA much easier with heavier loads without making my fingers sore.)

Thanks again for this excellent guide!
Astronut Tim


Re: Long Term Non Use

 

Hi Rick,

There is a monsoon season in Tucson??

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Chip Louie - Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware


Re: Long Term Non Use

 

They will be fine packed away.? Try to minimise moisture...kinda impossible if your in Monsoon area.? Throw in some desiccant into the packing.
--
Brendan


Re: Resurrecting GM8

Sonny Edmonds
 

From the git-go I knew I'd be dismantling my mount a lot.
So I got the .
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SonnyE


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Re: Losmandy presentation: achieving <1" performance, July 22 2PM PDT

Sonny Edmonds
 

The breed is a Dog. Certainly not a cat. My guess would be a large Terrior Breed. Airdale perhaps?
I love dogs! Dogs are never mad at you, they are always overjoyed when you return, and loyal to their death. Their world revolves around you.
Cats... well, cats generally don't give a crap.

I will be on the road on the 22nd. :^(
I have a Grandson's wedding in Washington. I will be officiating on the 25th.
So I will have to do a catch-up.

Suffices to say, I absolutely LOVE my GM811G HD! I've been using the Comet tracking to gather in the Comet NEOWISE.
Tonight was another first for me and my 811. I mounted my Nikon and Tamron 150-600 mm lens, and cranked out a full series of Neowise after a quick Modeling excersize, and comet training. Thanks again, Brian! Your video has proven invaluable to me, at a most opportune time. I'm very happy to report it held the comet beyond setting.
The more I enjoy my 811 to more I know how much I was missing before.

--
SonnyE


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Re: How to adjust AR and DEC worms ?

 

Yea Chip what I do is I adjust the worm outside then do a full 180 on RA and DEC and if it binds up somewhere I'll readjust it right there.? Pretty simple.

Also my worms were bone dry, I sprayed some Super Lube with PTFE and it slewed smoothly after that.


Re: Losmandy presentation: achieving <1" performance, July 22 2PM PDT

Arun Hegde
 

I definitely plan to watch it, Brian. There is a lot left to learn!