I have posted a couple of pictures of my muffler in the pictures
portion of this site. Look under the second folder named pictures.

Don Stark

I have a muffler installed on my 23. I got muffler from Hi-Tech
Exhaust in Irvine, Ca. John Grudynski is the owner and has put
mufflers on many racing cars. My car has a standard 4 1/2 in. dia
muffler with a 2 in. through pipe that is about 14 in. long. This
system fits most small 4 cyl engines. I have not noticed a
performance reduction since installation. I am racing this weekend
at Laguna Seca and will take the opportunity to take some good
pictures of the installation and some measurments for your
information. John at Hi-Tech is willing to work with you in the
installation but you know race cars. The installation all depends
on the headers installed and what else is going on with the exhaust
presently installed in the car. In my car, the headers come into
the collector at the floor of the car right next to the bell
housing. From there the pipe went uphill to exit over the tube that
the rear body is hinged on. It went straight out of the body at
that point. I just made the same shape from the collector aft with
the muffler can located just behind the axle coupling and slanting
up. It is held in place with a tube that is attached to the large
bolt that holds the rear bracket in place and then goes down to a
flange that is the same diameter of the muffler and fits over the
top of the muffler. The muffler is held to this flange with a hose
clamp. It all seems to work well and I have had no problems passing
the 92 db limits at Laguna Seca.

Hi-Tech can be reached at 12 Hammond Drive, Suite 202, Irvine, Ca.
92618. His phone is 949-581-2181. I will post the measurements and
photos after this weekend.

Don Stark,

Ellis:

Good topic and very timely! CSRG has an opportunity to race at Laguna Seca in the Fall but they are imposing a 92db sound limit. Hope someone in this group has some pearls of wisdom regarding mufflers because we both can learn from their experience.

Gary

From: "elliscahn" <redbaron33@...>
Reply-To: L23Registry@...
To: L23Registry@...
Subject: [L23Registry] Muffler for Lotus 23 T/C
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:48:57 -0000

Hello to all,
First the good news is that we have been granted one last and final
year of racing at our local track here in Denver Second Creek
Raceway. The bad news is all cars are required to have some type of
muffler.
Don Stark was kind enough to forward fotos of his custom made
muffler system on his 23 T/C. A very nice and clean set up indeed.
Does anyone else have any ideas concerning muffling a 23 T/C?

Respectfully, Ellis Cahn

Carl:
I have seen your car and spoke with John Anderson
about it and the problems you had when first driven.
I have been to John's shop a couple of times. He is a
very nice man and will doing some upcoming work on a
Lotus 51 for me and my buddy, the owner. Is that your
19 in his shop as well?

Mike Summers
--- cmoore88@... wrote:

Hello to all.

I am Carl Moore...and race here in Northern Calif.
Have been vintage racing
for 25 years and currently own a Lotus 20, 23B, 19
(Climax powered) and a
McLaren M6. I got my 23 early in 2004 and the first
time I drove it I scared
myself to death. The car was horrible. I drove
Dave Olson's car and found a big
difference, so we (John Anderson Racing at Sears
Point) went to work on set up
and such. What a difference . I won our race (not
supposed to worry about
that but it was fun) at the Monterey Pre-Historics
and John and I won the the
CSRG enduro in November...

My point on this is that a good one is great and a
bad one is very very bad
(Lotus 23's that is)... I have number 23S-102 which
has 23C corners on it....I
bought it that way from Doug Johnson......The front
wheels are the same as 23B
rears and the rears are 1 inch wider. I have the
normal bodywork on the
car....which does not show any "fat" rear bodywork
over the rear wheels...and the
side skirts are still in place.

Love the car..... just get it set up right and you
can have more fun than you
deserve..

Cheers.
Carl

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Eric:

Your idea about coming to the Historics sounds great. Be sure and keep us informed of your plans if they come together. The sports racer group, should it be accepted again for this year's Historics, includes a number of 23's. We could easily arrange a 23 Group gathering while attending the race to swap information, stories, lies, etc. Start planning now!

Gary Horstkorta
San Francisco Bay Area

From: "Eric Salomon" <esalomon@...>
Reply-To: L23Registry@...
To: <L23Registry@...>
Subject: RE: [L23Registry] Hello 23 list
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:35:02 +0200

Carl

I know what you mean! Mine is number 23S-105, also has 23C suspension and wheels, as I got it over 30 years ago (although I have the ordinary wobbly wheels and stuff). Fantastic handling, despite much lower power and straight line speed, has enabled me to get ahead of the Piper Ferrai's and the big cobra's numerous times.

A few of us here (including Arno Church who races a lotus 7, here in South Africa, and is a member of this list) are hoping to arrange a trip to race at Laguna Segca at the big historic race in about August, with our cars. Perhaps we will see some of the members there, if it works out.

Regards

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23 Group:
Good to see some activity on the list. I have been
lurking here for some time and enjoy hearing about
others adventures and about 23's in particular.
Currently considering the purchase of a 23, if anyone
has info on one for sale, please advise.

Mike Summers
West Sacramento, Calif

MKII Lotus Cortina, Cortina GT race car, S-3 Elan

--- William Steagall <steagall99@...> wrote:

Ellis and all,

I for one like Ellis idea. Get back as much as
possible to the original look.

Bill Steagall

elliscahn <redbaron33@...> wrote:

Hi to all and wishing everyone a happy healthy
prosperous and
successful racing year.
I have to agree that there needs to be more chit
chat for our
members. Why? Because there is so much info out
there and who knows
it better than we 23 owners!
A brief update on my 23. I had to cut out the
rear fender skirts
to race with Dunlop FF tires, and now with our local
fiberglass Guru
an avid lotusphile He is restoring the fender skirts
and some other
spider repair. I hope to be able to paint the car
red and place the
original livery of Arciero Brothers Racing on the
side. I am
starting to get excited. Any comments?
Ellis





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Eric:

Good to hear about vintage racing on the other side of the globe. Isn't it great to just arrive at the race track and race, not have to do major repairs on the car? Do you have any pictures of your racing you can share?

Gary
San Francisco Bay Area

From: "Eric Salomon" <esalomon@...>
Reply-To: L23Registry@...
To: <L23Registry@...>
Subject: [L23Registry] Using the 23 again
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:37:59 +0200

I just thought I would brighten up the registry with a note - we don't seem to have many messages here!

I don't use the 23 much since I crashed it in 2001, I keep it for shows and international races ie with David Piper and his group. However, I use my "look-a-like-23" which we call the "ELF 89", in sports car/Lotus racing in South Africa. The car was named after the the guys who built it in 1989 (Eric, Louis, Fred) mainly for endurance races. It has had a very good history, until July 2004 when I ran out of luck, and wrote off the car (ouch! concrete walls are not forgiving!)

We are building a new one (will be called ELF 05, I think, despite the fact that Fred has been diagnosed with cancer this week and may not see the end of the project).

I pulled out the old faithful, the original 23, (I have owned it since 1974), in an attempt to finish the season, even though the sports cars are running modern equipment, and are very fast. I managed to run a set-up practice, approx 30 laps, race meeting (2 heats + 2 practice + qualifying) in Cape town, approx 55 lap, Phakisa near Johannesburg (2 heats, + 3 practice + qualifying) approx 70 laps, and Cape Town again a few weeks later, also about 55 laps. The car never missed a beat, and required almost no maintenance or repairs! Fantastic handling and reliability, despite its age, gave good results.

Approx 210 racing laps in a 40 year old car! Not bad, and we managed 2nd in the Index championship, 4th overall even though we had no points for the crashed race and the next one because we were not ready!

Just goes to show how good the Lotus 23 really is.

Best regards, and hope you all have a good year, especially with your Lotus's.

Eric Salomon

Ellis:

I agree with Bill Steagall, try to keep the car as original as possible. I know everyone has their own objectives when vintage racing, but after all, it is VINTAGE racing and the idea is to preserve the cars in the state they were when the first raced. I had one race veteran of many years stop by my paddock spot to chat at the Historics and he said, "good to see you haven't over-restored your car the way some of these fellows do. Nickel plated frames, electronic instruments, modern seats, etc, etc, are just a bit over the top."

Of course, your vintage race club might have something to say about that as well. Our club uses the SCCA General Rules of Competition for 1967 as the "eligibility bible" if you will and have declined to accept cars that are not period correct. Can't be hurting our entries too much as we average over 150 cars per event with a high of 250 this past October at Infineon. The other advantage is you get to see cars as they really were which I guess is the whole point of what we do. Otherwise we'd be out there in Spec Racer Fords or something of the sort.

Looking forward to seeing your finsihed car.

Gary

From: "elliscahn" <redbaron33@...>
Reply-To: L23Registry@...
To: L23Registry@...
Subject: [L23Registry] 23
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:13:00 -0000

Hi to all and wishing everyone a happy healthy prosperous and
successful racing year.
I have to agree that there needs to be more chit chat for our
members. Why? Because there is so much info out there and who knows
it better than we 23 owners!
A brief update on my 23. I had to cut out the rear fender skirts
to race with Dunlop FF tires, and now with our local fiberglass Guru
an avid lotusphile He is restoring the fender skirts and some other
spider repair. I hope to be able to paint the car red and place the
original livery of Arciero Brothers Racing on the side. I am
starting to get excited. Any comments?
Ellis

Eric,

Good to hear about your adventures with your 23 this year. It
appears that you are pretty quick in your car. Sorry about bending
your replica. I agree with you about the walls. I was at Phoenix
International Raceway last year and it is an oval with a sports car
course that uses part of the oval and then the infield. There is
nothing but concrete to hit everywhere. I wasn't comfortable at
all. Coming off the straight going close to 100 mph, the apex of
the left hander is just concrete. Can't make a mistake at all.

The 23 is amazingly fast. At the first race this year, I was in a
group of Can Am cars, FIA 2L sports cars, a 935, etc. I finished
the race on Sat in 5th and actually passed a Can Am car on the
start. On Sunday, the big cars were much quicker but I started 5th
and finished something like 10th. Not bad since I was running on
Dunlop L series tires. (Hard as rocks and very narrow.) It is a fun
car and we run with a fun group here in California.

Let's here more of everyones adventures with their cars!

Don Stark

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Nigel:

I sent off emails to both web addresses. Maybe will
take longer over the holidays. Do you have a 23? If
so, tell me about it. What part of UK you in? I have
spent some time in London, Sussex and in Scotland.

Mike
--- silvenm <Nigel@...> wrote:

Hi,
Maverick Motorsport in the UK have one or two for
sale that belong to
their customer, contact Steve at Mvrck641@....
Another is with
Kelvin Jones (the 19 registra), and again belongs to
his customer,
who can be contacted on KJ33Racer@.... If you
can't get hold of
them on these then let me know and I'll search out
phone numbers.
cheers


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<bluesbrother30@y...>
wrote:

Nigel:
Sounds like a good reason for a "road trip" as we

call

them. Can you forward any info on available cars

to

me?

Mike
--- silvenm <Nigel@s...> wrote:

Hi Mike,
I'm aware of a number for sale in the UK,

possibly

as many as 4 but 2
for definite!
If you may be interested in one from this side

of

the pond then I can
put you in touch.....

Regards
Nigel Silverthorn

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"bluesbrother30"

<bluesbrother30@y...> wrote:

Just beginning to check around. Is there

anyone

with info on a

decent 23 for sale? Would like a complete car

but

not necessary.

Must be original, documented car. Thanks in

advance.

Mike Summers
West Sacramento, CA

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Hi,
Maverick Motorsport in the UK have one or two for sale that belong to
their customer, contact Steve at Mvrck641@.... Another is with
Kelvin Jones (the 19 registra), and again belongs to his customer,
who can be contacted on KJ33Racer@.... If you can't get hold of
them on these then let me know and I'll search out phone numbers.
cheers


--- In L23Registry@..., Jimmy Clark <bluesbrother30@y...>
wrote:

Nigel:
Sounds like a good reason for a "road trip" as we call
them. Can you forward any info on available cars to
me?

Mike
--- silvenm <Nigel@s...> wrote:

Hi Mike,
I'm aware of a number for sale in the UK, possibly
as many as 4 but 2
for definite!
If you may be interested in one from this side of
the pond then I can
put you in touch.....

Regards
Nigel Silverthorn

--- In L23Registry@..., "bluesbrother30"

<bluesbrother30@y...> wrote:

Just beginning to check around. Is there anyone

with info on a

decent 23 for sale? Would like a complete car but

not necessary.

Must be original, documented car. Thanks in

advance.

Mike Summers
West Sacramento, CA

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