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Re: Polish refugee children in South Africa
Rena Verlander
Bert, It was very interesting to read this story as my father and his two sisters spent time in south Africa, it makes me wonder if they were in the same place. Thanks Rena
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Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship
romed46
Hello Halina,
France and Czechoslovakia were not cowardly they were pragmatists, their actions saved many lives and property of their countries. To call surrender a cowardly act you imply that the defenders of Warszawa, Westerplate, Hela, Lwow etc and the 400,000 Polish soldiers that surrendered to Germans were cowards. I know that they were heroes abandoned by their government. My brother-in-law,porucznik Czeslaw Onichimowski, who,with his company, fought the Germans from the Polish border west of Lodz all the way to Warszawa, where all defenders surrendered on Sept. 28, was not a coward. The Hague IV Convention: Laws and Customs of War on Land of Oct. 18, 1907 applies to the conduct of war. Soviet Union did not declare war on Poland, Poland did not declare war on Soviet Union. There was no war between Poland and Soviet Union. President Moscicki and his Government by escaping to Rumania on Sept. 17, and the false reports filed by the western pro-communist reporters about the Ukrainians murdering Polish refugees and proclaiming Ukrainian Republic,gave the Soviet Union an excuse they needed to invade Poland to restore order. Subsequent "plebiscite" of Oct. 29-30, in my opinion, makes the Soviet decree of Nov.29 legal. Maybe unfair, unjust,wrong and disgusting but legal. Regards, Roman West Vancouver --- In Kresy-Siberia@..., HJ Trevelyan <hjtrevelyan@s...> wrote: Hello Roman,Czechoslovakia were during WWII. Terms of surrender were not in the cards for Poland since Germany and Russia wanted most of us dead with some of us possibly russified/germanized: they wanted our land. I would rather fight. international law. International law trumps internal law. I believe that it was the Hague IV Convention: Laws and Customs of War on Land of October 18, 1907, that was internationally recognized at the time in regard to to laws and customs of war. It specifically prohibited Russia (one of the contracting states) from conscripting you, changing your citizenship, etc. In fact, it does not matter what fig leaves=internal laws a country subsequently sets up to cover its crimes, internationally recognized laws prevail over such attempts. It must also be remembered that Poland had a peace treaty with Russia at the time, any international treaty would prevail over self-serving and illegal internal laws. as it existed in 1939.Ethiopia, Germany Saar District, Czechoslovakia and Austria, Poland occupiedState ceased to exist and that the Red Army has received orders to crossin the town of Kuty, on the Rumanian border, signs an act appointingthey want to join the Soviet Union, yes or no.persons. To expedite repatriation they create a bilateral repatriationUSSR issues decree regarding citizenshipon Oct. 29-30 , made their decree of Nov.29/39 regardingcitizenship legal. |
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Re: a happy story
Anne Kaczanowski
Congratulations on your new family and new info regarding your dad.? ? I am sure the whole group can feel your excitement in?this pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.? It is worth everything you put into it isn't it?? And it is like having a breath of life brought back into someone you've lost in the past.
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a happy story
Joe Zelwietro
Dear Listers:
I would like to share with you a happy story. I've been looking for my lost Polish family for a few years. My father as a young man was taken during the WW2 by Soviets to Siberia and then lucky enough left this frozen prison with General Anders. I did not know much about his life before the war, and once he died there was no one ask. I knew the name of his village, but I was not sure it still existed. Until last winter. Jozef Taran, based in Warsaw, Poland, working contemporarily in Minsk, Belarus offered me some help. First he pinpointed for sure the hamlet Bortkiewicze. He offered to go to Bortkiewicz and find any living relatives. This is the first time I considered obtaining help for money over a long distance and I was sceptical. But I decided it was worth the chance so I took him up on his offer. Jozef dealt with me professionally and courteously. We took the time to work out what I wanted and how much it would cost. Our relationship was bumpy at times, due in part to the nature of our agreement, the distance and the fact, we didnt know each other. We worked through this respectfully and I obtained more I had expected two trees of my father's family. It appears that my grandmother had the maiden-name Bortkiewicz. I was really surprised. I recieved the genealogical draft with all names and contact info of relatives I never knew. Jozef also sent the report of research. The nature of this work is difficult as I discovered, but it is doable. Jozef is focussed on achieving the genealogical goals. He is even ready to take some risk and make more in order to satisfy the requestor. Moreover, I found out, that the conditions of work in Belarus are slightly different from those in Canada or Poland. In the end I received the photographs, a modern map which mentioned Bortkiewicze and most importantly a short family history with very touching details, addresses and phone number of 2 relations who grew up with my father (until the deportations). So I am recommending Jozef Taran's services to others who may benefit from present-day investigation in Belarus and Poland I wish you well in your searches. I will keep fellow listers informed about my further relations with my new-found family. Good hunting to all, Joe Zelwietro |
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Sequel to The Brief Sun Released
Robert Ambros
Hello. For anyone interested, the sequel to The Brief Sun has just
been released and it is entitled "When Eagles Die." For those new to the group, The Brief Sun is a historical fictional novel about Anders' Army. A free electronic copy of The Brief Sun is available to all members of this group by just clicking the "Files" hyperlink on the left. I am enclosing a press release about the novel below. Thanks, Bob * Sequel to Award Winning Historical Novel - The Brief Sun - Released Bloomington, Indiana. October 15, 2004 – Authorhouse TM has released When Eagles Die, the sequel to the award-winning historical novel about Anders' Army, The Brief Sun. This new historical novel spans three generations from the Eastern Front in World War I through the Siberian gulags and the battlefields of Second World War to the present; Coach Joe Bartkowski , the son of an Anders' Army veteran, stuns the basketball world when he leads a small college team to the national championships. Now sought after by major universities, Joe finds his career threatened by unexplained anxiety and panic attacks. Is it a midlife crisis as his therapist claims, or does the answer lie in his family's history? When Eagles Die embraces Joe's painful search for the truth, his unexpected discoveries about himself, and the very nature of the human mind. "I am pleased the project has finally been completed," says author Robert Ambros. "Interest in The Brief Sun just increases with time and I hope I have done it justice with this sequel. And by the way, although it's a sequel, When Eagles Die is not a continuation; it has its own premise and characters with their own problems." When asked about the storyline, Ambros replied: "the work was inspired by the growing body of evidence that posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) can significantly influence the offspring of the sufferers. Unfortunately, this phenomenon is not widely known by either the public or mental health care workers and many people suffer silently unaware of what ails them." Robert Ambros' first novel, The Brief Sun, won the 10th Annual International Writer's Digest Award for best genre fiction. Authorhouse partners with Ingram, a leading book distributor. When Eagles Die is available at 25,000 booksellers and on popular websites such as amazon.com and bn.com. When Eagles Die can also be directly purchased from the publisher at authorhouse.com. For additional information, please visit www.RobertAmbros.com. |
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Re: Polish refugee children in South Africa
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
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Thank you very much for sharing this incredibly touching and well written account of our Polish children as two of my cousins were orphans from Siberia and ended up in Africa for a while. Of the estimated 380,000 Polish children that were deported to Siberia, very few survived. And these 500 that survived should be treasured in our memory. Regards Zbyszek -----Original Message-----
From: Bert Bakker [mailto:bert_bakker41@...] Sent: October 15, 2004 12:44 AM To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Polish refugee children in South Africa With kind permission of the Editor of The Southern Cross (www.thesoutherncross.co.za) a Roman Catholic weekly published in South Africa, I hereby reproduce an article that appeared in one of its issues. I hope that the contents are of interests some of our readers. Bert Bakker Nelspruit South Africa From Siberia to SA: South Africa's Polish kids On April 10, 1943, 500 Polish children, mostly orphans, landed in Port Elizabeth, en-route to Oudtshoorn. Their story is one of faith, determination and survival, 60 years after their arrival. In the early hours of September 1, 1939, the juggernaut that was the German armed forces was unleashed against Poland. In 1938 the Soviets and the Nazis had signed a non-aggression pact. Joseph Stalin, supreme leader of the Soviet Union, saw Adolf Hitler's invasion of Poland as a perfect opportunity to grab a part of the country as well. Two weeks after the Germans invaded, on September 17, Soviet troops occupied the eastern half of Poland, annexing the area to the Ukraine and Belorussia. During the winter of 1939-40 the Soviets began evicting Poles from their homes and deporting them to Russia. Over a million were deported during this period. Their homes were given to Russians. For the most part these evictions were done at gunpoint by Soviet troops and members of the feared Soviet state police, the NKVD (later KGB) Entire families were removed from their homes, bundled into sleighs and taken to the nearest railway station. Here they were loaded into cattle cars which were then locked and transported to labour camps in Russia-mostly in Siberia. Anna Lepkowski was 14 when the NKVD arrived at her home. "I still remember it clearly," she says. "There were 15, maybe 20, Russian soldiers. They had guns and dogs and they were telling us to come out of the house at once. I could see on their hats the green badge of the NKVD." Anna and her family were put into a sleigh and, under armed guard, taken to a nearby railway siding. "We were locked into a cattle car with a lot of other families. It was soon overcrowded and there was not enough room for anyone to lie down. It was freezing cold and we didn't have warm clothes." Most of the families had been driven out of their houses without being allowed to pack any clothes. They travelled in what they had been wearing. The train stood at the siding for about seven hours before it began the long journey to Siberia. They were given little food on the journey and the only ablution facilities was a hole in the floor of the railway wagon. The cold at times plunged to -60. Many passengers did not survive the trip. Anna's 8-year-old sister died from the cold. Mary Maczakowska was 13 when her family was rounded up for deportation to Siberia in 1940. "The labour camp in Siberia was terrible," she says. "In winter the average was -50. It was so cold that if you cried your eyes would freeze." In summer, however, it was not uncommon for those in the Siberian labour camps to die of heat stroke. Both Ms Maczakowska's parents died during the winter of 1940. In the summer of 1941 the Polish government in exile in London received permission from the Soviet Union to release several hundred thousand Poles from labour camps, prison and forced resettlement in the Soviet Union. Thousands had died as a result of hunger and sickness. Stalin, facing defeat by Germany, agreed to utilise the Poles he'd deported (hundreds of thousands were already dead on his orders) to form a Polish army. The women and children were later transferred to camps in the British-controlled Middle East and Africa. Ms Maczakowska was helped by the newly formed Polish army and she was sent to Persia (now Iran) and then to India where she spent six years. She then went to Mombasa in East Africa before arriving in Johannesburg in 1948. Among the Poles released from the labour camps was a group of 500 children, most of whom had been orphaned. They had suffered untold hardships in the camps. Karol Trybus was one of these children. He had lost his father and younger brother. By the time the amnesty was granted, only his mother and two brothers were still alive. Jan Trybus, his eldest brother enlisted in the Polish army. He arranged for his brothers, Adolf (8) and Karol (12), to be cared for by friends. A few days later Polish army officials collected the two boys and took them to the Polish welfare. They spent time in Persia, as did the other children. After nearly six months in Persia, the group of 500 children were put on a Polish ship and set sail for South Africa. The trip, via the Persian Gulf and Indian Ocean, took a month. The ship docked in Port Elizabeth on April 10, 1943. From there the children were transported by train to Oudtshoorn in the Western Cape. Part of the military base had been transformed into the Polish Children's Home (Dom Polskich Dzieci) for their temporary accommodation, care and education. Under the supervision of the South African Department of Social Welfare, as well as Polish consular and ministry representatives, it remained in operation until 1947. Relatives of some of the children were traced and they went to join them. Others were sent to other parts of Africa such as Uganda and Tanganyika. About 300 of them remained in South Africa and, after finishing school, found employment. "The Catholic Church and schools helped us tremendously," says J Morawksi, one of the children and now a resident of Plettenberg Bay. "They guided us in our new life. We are grateful to the country and the people and town of Oudtshoorn have a very special place in our hearts." In 1993 a painting of the Black Madonna (brought from Poland by Stefan Adamski) was presented to the Oudtshoorn cathedral by the surviving "children". "It was to thank God and the people of South Africa for giving us a home," said Irena Banch (ne Dolinska), one of the children. To celebrate the 60th anniversary of their arrival in South Africa, an altar was built in Oudtshoorn cathedral, paid from donations from the children and their families. If you pass through Oudtshoorn, stop and pay a visit to the cathedral, see the altar, and say a prayer for the children who are still living-and for those who are not. The Southern Cross, October 1-7, 2003 Copyright (c) 2003/2004 The Southern Cross. All rights reserved. * KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION "Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two." * Discussion site : Gallery (photos, documents) : Film and info : * To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail saying who you are and describing your interest in the group to: Kresy-Siberia-owner@... * Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Re: Military - men in uniform
Hello Helen,
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My family is also from Tarnopol and Muskowice (I may have spelled that incorrectly) and some are settled in Zielona Gora, Slone area. I wonder if there are any connections?
Anna-Marie
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Polish refugee children in South Africa
Bert Bakker
With kind permission of the Editor of The Southern Cross
(www.thesoutherncross.co.za) a Roman Catholic weekly published in South Africa, I hereby reproduce an article that appeared in one of its issues. I hope that the contents are of interests some of our readers. Bert Bakker Nelspruit South Africa From Siberia to SA: South Africa's Polish kids On April 10, 1943, 500 Polish children, mostly orphans, landed in Port Elizabeth, en-route to Oudtshoorn. Their story is one of faith, determination and survival, 60 years after their arrival. In the early hours of September 1, 1939, the juggernaut that was the German armed forces was unleashed against Poland. In 1938 the Soviets and the Nazis had signed a non-aggression pact. Joseph Stalin, supreme leader of the Soviet Union, saw Adolf Hitler's invasion of Poland as a perfect opportunity to grab a part of the country as well. Two weeks after the Germans invaded, on September 17, Soviet troops occupied the eastern half of Poland, annexing the area to the Ukraine and Belorussia. During the winter of 1939-40 the Soviets began evicting Poles from their homes and deporting them to Russia. Over a million were deported during this period. Their homes were given to Russians. For the most part these evictions were done at gunpoint by Soviet troops and members of the feared Soviet state police, the NKVD (later KGB) Entire families were removed from their homes, bundled into sleighs and taken to the nearest railway station. Here they were loaded into cattle cars which were then locked and transported to labour camps in Russia–mostly in Siberia. Anna Lepkowski was 14 when the NKVD arrived at her home. "I still remember it clearly," she says. "There were 15, maybe 20, Russian soldiers. They had guns and dogs and they were telling us to come out of the house at once. I could see on their hats the green badge of the NKVD." Anna and her family were put into a sleigh and, under armed guard, taken to a nearby railway siding. "We were locked into a cattle car with a lot of other families. It was soon overcrowded and there was not enough room for anyone to lie down. It was freezing cold and we didn't have warm clothes." Most of the families had been driven out of their houses without being allowed to pack any clothes. They travelled in what they had been wearing. The train stood at the siding for about seven hours before it began the long journey to Siberia. They were given little food on the journey and the only ablution facilities was a hole in the floor of the railway wagon. The cold at times plunged to -60°. Many passengers did not survive the trip. Anna's 8-year-old sister died from the cold. Mary Maczakowska was 13 when her family was rounded up for deportation to Siberia in 1940. "The labour camp in Siberia was terrible," she says. "In winter the average was -50°. It was so cold that if you cried your eyes would freeze." In summer, however, it was not uncommon for those in the Siberian labour camps to die of heat stroke. Both Ms Maczakowska's parents died during the winter of 1940. In the summer of 1941 the Polish government in exile in London received permission from the Soviet Union to release several hundred thousand Poles from labour camps, prison and forced resettlement in the Soviet Union. Thousands had died as a result of hunger and sickness. Stalin, facing defeat by Germany, agreed to utilise the Poles he'd deported (hundreds of thousands were already dead on his orders) to form a Polish army. The women and children were later transferred to camps in the British-controlled Middle East and Africa. Ms Maczakowska was helped by the newly formed Polish army and she was sent to Persia (now Iran) and then to India where she spent six years. She then went to Mombasa in East Africa before arriving in Johannesburg in 1948. Among the Poles released from the labour camps was a group of 500 children, most of whom had been orphaned. They had suffered untold hardships in the camps. Karol Trybus was one of these children. He had lost his father and younger brother. By the time the amnesty was granted, only his mother and two brothers were still alive. Jan Trybus, his eldest brother enlisted in the Polish army. He arranged for his brothers, Adolf (8) and Karol (12), to be cared for by friends. A few days later Polish army officials collected the two boys and took them to the Polish welfare. They spent time in Persia, as did the other children. After nearly six months in Persia, the group of 500 children were put on a Polish ship and set sail for South Africa. The trip, via the Persian Gulf and Indian Ocean, took a month. The ship docked in Port Elizabeth on April 10, 1943. From there the children were transported by train to Oudtshoorn in the Western Cape. Part of the military base had been transformed into the Polish Children's Home (Dom Polskich Dzieci) for their temporary accommodation, care and education. Under the supervision of the South African Department of Social Welfare, as well as Polish consular and ministry representatives, it remained in operation until 1947. Relatives of some of the children were traced and they went to join them. Others were sent to other parts of Africa such as Uganda and Tanganyika. About 300 of them remained in South Africa and, after finishing school, found employment. "The Catholic Church and schools helped us tremendously," says J Morawksi, one of the children and now a resident of Plettenberg Bay. "They guided us in our new life. We are grateful to the country and the people and town of Oudtshoorn have a very special place in our hearts." In 1993 a painting of the Black Madonna (brought from Poland by Stefan Adamski) was presented to the Oudtshoorn cathedral by the surviving "children". "It was to thank God and the people of South Africa for giving us a home," said Irena Banch (née Dolinska), one of the children. To celebrate the 60th anniversary of their arrival in South Africa, an altar was built in Oudtshoorn cathedral, paid from donations from the children and their families. If you pass through Oudtshoorn, stop and pay a visit to the cathedral, see the altar, and say a prayer for the children who are still living–and for those who are not. The Southern Cross, October 1-7, 2003 Copyright ? 2003/2004 The Southern Cross. All rights reserved. |
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Re: Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
开云体育One can order this 331 page hard cover book at $45.00US (Genocide and rescue in Wolyn) and many others at this site:
? Regards ? Zbyszek ? ? -----Original
Message----- From: Linder Carole Ladbrooke
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Sent: October 14, 2004 10:42 PM To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol ? Barb, ? I just ordered this book from 'www.amazon.co.uk', but you'd get it from '.com'. It is on 6-8 weeks del and cost's ?32.00,? Didn't expect to find it there. Linder -----Original Message----- Zbyszek, I don't believe I've seen this map - can you give me a source or a date?and does it go as far as Brody please? Barbara?Kwietniowski Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message -----
From: Zbigniew Bob Styrna
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:04 PM Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol ? Tracy, ? Here is some information about Zbaras in Woj. Tarnopol of Kresy/Galicia Poland.? It is from page 75 and 76 or book called “Genocide and rescue in Wo?yn” by Tadeusz Piotrowski. Seems that 50 Polish families from spared and were not deported to Siberia by the Russians for some reason.? And the German occupiers after 1941 did not kill them, but in early 1944, the Ukrainian Banderowcy (bandits), the UPA, eliminated every men, women and child.? This is the only mention of Zbaraz in the book. ? The enclosed Zbaraz area map is pre WWI Austro-Hungarian. ? Regards ? Zbyszek ? -----Original Message----- ? Have
a look at this will give you a bit of info on the area and the towns ·???????? Hi again - I found some photos of
significance to my Babka and
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Re: Military - men in uniform
My late godmother was from Tarnopol
She ended up in UK via Germany, but her family are in Zielona Gora region of Poland . I believe some were resettled in different regions but am not 100% sure Bye 4 now Hela. From: "tracy_hagen2001" <tracy_hagen2001@...>_________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends |
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Re: Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol
Linder Carole Ladbrooke
开云体育Barb,
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I just
ordered this book from 'www.amazon.co.uk', but you'd get it from '.com'. It is
on 6-8 weeks del and cost's ?32.00,? Didn't expect to find it there.
Linder
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Re: Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
开云体育All the large deportations took place starting in Feb 10, 1940. For your family to be taken in 1939, they must have been soldiers, or officer(s).? ? Most Poles were deported to Siberia by 1944. Somehow some were not deported because they were either not a threat to Russians, Ukrainians, etc. Usually they were helpless peasants/farmers who were left alone. Until the UPA took things into their own hands. ? Osadas were like little colonies.? After WWI, when Poland defeated Russia, they expanded their borders to the historical boundaries which included what not is Ukraine.? The way a country occupies an are they won in a war, they put their own settlers into that area.? The land that was given to the Polish Osada people was subsidized by the Polis government. ? ? Regards ? Zbyszek ? -----Original
Message----- From: Tracy Hagen
[mailto:tracy_hagen2001@...]
Sent: October 14, 2004 7:47 PM To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol ? Interesting - I wonder why the were left... my grans family all were taken to Siberia - Komi in '39 never to return as my grans father died there was only the 3 of them left Mum and two sisters ... Why did people move to these Osadas were they farming communities ? Thanks again Tracy Tracy, ? Here is some information about Zbaras in Woj. Tarnopol of Kresy/Galicia Poland.? It is from page 75 and 76 or book called “Genocide and rescue in Wo?yn” by Tadeusz Piotrowski. Seems that 50 Polish families from spared and were not deported to Siberia by the Russians for some reason.? And the German occupiers after 1941 did not kill them, but in early 1944, the Ukrainian Banderowcy (bandits), the UPA, eliminated every men, women and child.? This is the only mention of Zbaraz in the book. ? The enclosed Zbaraz area map is pre WWI Austro-Hungarian. ? Regards ? Zbyszek ? -----Original Message----- ? Have a look at this will give you a bit of info on the area and the towns ·?????? ·???????? Hi again - I found some photos of
significance to my Babka and
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Re: Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol
Tracy Hagen
Interesting - I wonder why the were left... my grans family all were taken to Siberia - Komi in '39 never to return as my grans father died there was only the 3 of them left Mum and two sisters ... Why did people move to these Osadas were they farming communities ?
Thanks again
Tracy
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Re: Off topic for Americans, but some applicable to Group
joyce kelly
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." One of my favorite quotes by FDR, and why Bush supporters would not like him.
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Re: Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
开云体育How far north. Is it straight north? ?Or NE or NW ? ? Zbyszek ? -----Original
Message----- From: Barb Kwietniowski
[mailto:barbkwie@...]
Sent: October 14, 2004 3:48 PM To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol ? Thanks. It is an osada - Warszawka -?I am looking for so it would not be on?a map of this vintage,?but it?would be interesting to see what is marked as being in this area - just north of Brody. Barbara Kwietniowska ----- Original Message -----
From: Zbigniew Bob Styrna
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol ? Barbara, ? No, this map does not go as far as Brody.? But I have another one of this ‘vintage’? that does. It is pre 1914 map. ? Regards
? -----Original Message----- ? Zbyszek, I don't believe I've seen this map - can you give me a source or a date?and does it go as far as Brody please? Barbara?Kwietniowski Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:04 PM Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol ? Tracy, ? Here is some information about Zbaras in Woj. Tarnopol of Kresy/Galicia Poland.? It is from page 75 and 76 or book called “Genocide and rescue in Wo?yn” by Tadeusz Piotrowski. Seems that 50 Polish families from spared and were not deported to Siberia by the Russians for some reason.? And the German occupiers after 1941 did not kill them, but in early 1944, the Ukrainian Banderowcy (bandits), the UPA, eliminated every men, women and child.? This is the only mention of Zbaraz in the book. ? The enclosed Zbaraz area map is pre WWI Austro-Hungarian. ? Regards ? Zbyszek ? -----Original Message----- ? Have
a look at this will give you a bit of info on the area and the towns ·???????? Hi again - I found some photos of
significance to my Babka and
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Welcome Alina Suchanski
Stefan Wisniowski
Please welcome Alina Suchanski to the group. Sounds like a worthy project, I
hope we can help! -- Stefan Wisniowski (moderator) Sydney, Australia -- I'm making a documentary about the 733 Polish Orphans who arrived in NZ in 1944. I hope that this website will provide me with some information on this topic. Alina Suchanski <alina.suchanski@...> |
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Re: Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol
Barb Kwietniowski
开云体育Thanks. It is an osada - Warszawka -?I am
looking for so it would not be on?a map of this vintage,?but
it?would be interesting to see what is marked as being in this area - just
north of Brody.
Barbara Kwietniowska
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Re: Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
开云体育Barbara, ? No, this map does not go as far as Brody.? But I have another one of this ‘vintage’ ?that does. It is pre 1914 map. ? Regards
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Message----- From: Barb Kwietniowski
[mailto:barbkwie@...]
Sent: October 14, 2004 2:43 PM To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol ? Zbyszek, I don't believe I've seen this map - can you give me a source or a date?and does it go as far as Brody please? Barbara?Kwietniowski Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message -----
From: Zbigniew Bob Styrna
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:04 PM Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol ? Tracy, ? Here is some information about Zbaras in Woj. Tarnopol of Kresy/Galicia Poland.? It is from page 75 and 76 or book called “Genocide and rescue in Wo?yn” by Tadeusz Piotrowski. Seems that 50 Polish families from spared and were not deported to Siberia by the Russians for some reason.? And the German occupiers after 1941 did not kill them, but in early 1944, the Ukrainian Banderowcy (bandits), the UPA, eliminated every men, women and child.? This is the only mention of Zbaraz in the book. ? The enclosed Zbaraz area map is pre WWI Austro-Hungarian. ? Regards ? Zbyszek ? -----Original Message----- ? Have
a look at this will give you a bit of info on the area and the towns ·???????? Hi again - I found some photos of
significance to my Babka and
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Re: Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol
Barb Kwietniowski
开云体育Zbyszek,
I don't believe I've seen this map - can you give
me a source or a date?and does it go as far as Brody please?
Barbara?Kwietniowski
Ontario, Canada
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Zbaraz woj. Tarnopol
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
开云体育Tracy, ? Here is some information about Zbaras in Woj. Tarnopol of Kresy/Galicia Poland.? It is from page 75 and 76 or book called “Genocide and rescue in Wo?yn” by Tadeusz Piotrowski. Seems that 50 Polish families from spared and were not deported to Siberia by the Russians for some reason.? And the German occupiers after 1941 did not kill them, but in early 1944, the Ukrainian Banderowcy (bandits), the UPA, eliminated every men, women and child.? This is the only mention of Zbaraz in the book. ? The enclosed Zbaraz area map is pre WWI Austro-Hungarian. ? Regards ? Zbyszek ? -----Original
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at this will give you a bit of info on the area and the towns ·????????
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