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Stefan Wisniowski
 

Passed on by Lucyna in Melbourne.



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Sydney, Australia


Re: Janek Now Knows His Birthday! Sto lat!

 

Droga i Kochana Ewo. Dziekuje. Nie wiem czy cztasz po P{olsku. Well
thank you so much.

JanekJ Roy-Wojciechowski
Honorary Consul, Republic of Poland
51 Granger Road,Howick
Auckland, New Zealand
email polish@...
web. www.polishheritage.co.nz


Re: Godmother = Karas/Towarnicka

 

Hello Hela,

My grandmother was from a village near Tarnopol (Gleboczek) and her
maiden name was Karas. I wonder if there is a connection with your
godmother's husband's family ..... ? Do you have any further information
that we can compare ? Maybe you can email me off-line and we can
compare notes.

Krystyna Szypowska
Montreal, Canada

----- Original Message -----
From: "Helena Danielczuk" <helena52@...>
To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:48 AM
Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Military - men in uniform

Hello Anne-Marie

My godmother's name as a married oman was Karas but her maiden name was
Towarnicka

Bye 4 now Hela.

From: "anna-marie@..." <annamariekulas@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Military - men in uniform
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:23:24 -0400 (EDT)

Hello Helen,

My family is also from Tarnopol and Muskowice (I may have spelled that
incorrectly) and some are settled in Zielona Gora, Slone area. I wonder
if
there are any connections?
Anna-Marie

Helena Danielczuk <helena52@...> wrote:

My late godmother was from Tarnopol
She ended up in UK via Germany, but her family are in Zielona Gora region
of Poland .
I believe some were resettled in different regions but am not 100% sure

Bye 4 now Hela.

From: "tracy_hagen2001"
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Military - men in uniform
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:23:24 -0000

Hi again - I found some photos of significance to my Babka and
thought I would seek help here .. if you get a chance have a look
and let me know what you think !


set_albumName=Koja&page=10

Also can anyone tell me what happened to those in now Ukraine -
Tarnapol - Zbaraze region ? I imagine they would have been hit hard
and early by the Russians ?? is it the Galicia region

Thanks again
Tracy


Re: Arnhem - Polish Paratroopers - The Kresy

 

Amen to that

Every one who lived throughthe war and ended as arefugee outside their homeland deserves to be honoured and it is to that end that I have taken it upon myself to do so from Feb 5th to 13th 2005.

I feel that this group, Polands entry into the Europe athe heart its rightful place, etc etc somehow validates the lives lost whether through combat, or through loss of childhood and the formative years.

I look at my dad who God willing will celebrate his 85th birthday Nov 10th and the sadness of his years of hard labour ( 1940-1981) are now being followed by the joy of years of peace, he can experince and enjoy the fruits of his labours, the freedom of Polska, the ownership of his own front door and roof, his ogrodek with vegetables and that his dream as a boy of having just that are fulfilled.



Bye 4 now Hela.




From: "Halina Szulakowska" <hszulakowska@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Arnhem - Polish Paratroopers - The Kresy
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:58:43 +0100


Hello everyone,

I have been away from the KS-group for a number of months and have only just
re-subscribed.

This time last month I was in Arnhem for 7 days for the 60th commemoration
of Operation Market-Garden. My mother and I were representing my father,
Antoni Szulakowski, who took part in the operation, but is sadly no longer
with us. It was an emotional time to be with the men of both the Polish and
British airborne. The 'Lest We Forget' foundation hosted around 600 veterans
and widows during the rememberance week. I felt very honoured to be a part
of this historic event, and was especially proud of the Polish veterans -
some of whom I have had the priviledge to know since my childhood via the
ZPS (Zwiazek Polskich Spadochroniarzy).

As a group, although our focus is the Soviet deportation of Polish Citizens
from the Eastern Borderlands, we have discussed all manner of topics
relating to Poland's history - especially the timespan of WWII. The KS-Group
have, for example, always been quick to remember the anniversaries of
battles such as Monte Cassino and the Warsaw Uprising. I was, therefore, a
little upset to read back to the group's September discussion on
Market-Garden. One member actually said that, pertaining to Arnhem, "this is
not on our Kresy-Siberia topic". And there seems to have been some hostility
towards the German veterans who had quietly attended the commemoration to
also, quite rightly, mourn their dead. In war everyone suffers.

I have been in two minds as to whether I should broach this topic or not -
especially since I was unsubscribed at the time Arnhem was mentioned. But I
have since realised that I do want to share a few thoughts, and I apologise
to anyone that may find my response a little late in the day.

I think it is right to remember how our fathers, grandfathers, uncles,
brothers, members of our own KS group, fought for their right to a free
homeland: a homeland which they wanted complete with the Eastern Borderlands
where many of them had been born. My father's only concern was to return to
the Polesie which he loved so dearly, and where several generations of his
family had farmed the land. Major-General Sosabowski's motto for his Brigade
was 'Najkrotsza droga!', and his aim for the Pierwsza Samodzielna Brigada
Spadochronowa was to land in Warsaw and liberate Poland as quickly as
possible. These men, some of whom had been Soviet deportees, were all united
in their refugee status and their home-sickness.

During the service of rememberance at the Polish Monument in Driel, the
Dutch children of the local school sang a song in the Polish language. It
was 'Jaka Piekna Nasza Polska Cala'. The elderly paratrooper sitting to my
left began to cry: "It's what I fought for. I fought for my beautiful
Poland, and for her to be free". More specifically, he had fought to return
to his 'beautiful' Podole from which he had been deported on 10th February
1940.

I don't think you can divorce the deportations from the events that impacted
on the deportees both during and after WWII. I certainly can't separate my
father's military history, nor his consequent civilian life in Britain, from
that night when the Szulakowski family were bundled onto a cattletruck in
Sienkiewicze village and taken to Vologda as slave labour. Tata once told me
that, even though years had passed, there remained a part of him which was
forever the deportee.

So please can I ask that the group remains open to all of the history, which
has affected our families and friends.

Serdeczne Pozdrowienia,

Halina Szulakowska UK





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Artiomowskij

J¨®zef Taran
 

Dear Listers,

I try to help in finding Mieczyslaw Zielinski, b. 1896 who served as policeman in Koso~w (Kossow, Kosowo) Poleski.

There is an information he was sent to lagier Artiomowskij (nr 523) in Ural Mountains.

Is there any chance to check this information?

Best regards
Jozef Taran in Warsaw, Poland


Re: Help please

 

Hello and Thank you so much
Not just the book but the author would be such an honour and i can tell you it's at kosciol POlski pod wezwaniem Matki Boskiej Czestochowskiej, Landsdowne Place Bradford. I think Mass will be at 11.00 ish and obiad to follow then the film and any talks presentations etcI also envisage a t least aweeks events starting Feb 5th and ending at least the formal aspect of it 13th Feb with the Mass wreathe laying and something which I remember from childhood a spiritual bouquet.
i hope the Mass will be anInternational and representatives of all faiths will be represented as I feel that the times we are living in now could do with reminder of the past to enable a more sensible and peaceful future for all outr children.
This is an open invitation to all
Details of the obiad etc will be posted nearer the date.



Bye 4 now Hela.




From: "Eugeniusz Krajewski" <e@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Help please
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:06:24 +0100




Hi Helu,


What a good idea!

If I may, I'd like to help by donating a copy of my book Straws in the Wind
as well as a copy of my father's Land Deed (Akt Nadawczy). You will recall
that the date of 10th February 1940 is pivotal to my story.

Perhaps you could let me know in due course when and where the function is
to take place. As you know, I live in Lincolnshire and, for me; a trip to
Bradford would not be a problem.

Good luck,

Eugene

-----Original Message-----
From: Helena Danielczuk [mailto:helena52@...]
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 9:57 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Help please


Hello


Last Saturday 16th October here in Bradford W.Yorks the Zjednoczenie were
planning and writing the diary of events for 2005. I was in the next room
teaching English and waiting for the next group to teach Polish! Imagine my
surprise but more than that saddness that 10th Feb was not featured. So I
have taken it upon myself to do something about it. So watch out Yorkshire!
A Mass has been organised and an obiad. I am desperate to have an
exhibition and I think that the materials etc we have on our site are
excellent. I have books myself but I need the Marsz Sybirakow and would
dearly love to have access to the photos in our albums of pre war Kresy etc
etc. I need help inaccessing all of these for a real rather than a virtual
audience. I have seen the memorial in Warszawa and have photos etc it is
awesome and sad all at the same time

I want an exhibition not just for the informed and experienced but to teach
about this history tio schools and hope to enlighten those who teach in our
schools about WW2!!

Please help as I do not have much time but there is so much work. I hope to
write to the local press and TV, Radio nearer the time . The Yorkshire Post
was particularly helpful and published the article which was posted in
September abou the uprising .


Bye 4 now Hela.

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deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two."
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Film and info :
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Re: Help please

Linder Carole Ladbrooke
 

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Hi Hela,
?
Linder here! Can you tell me where and when please? I've also got loads of stuff that may be useful [from MOD/A3 coloured maps and the route to join Anders/A2 1937 map of Russia, other stuff etc
Email me at 'ladbrooke@...'. I live in Notts
Nice that someone is about to make more youngsters more aware - good luck!
Linder

-----Original Message-----
From: Eugeniusz Krajewski [mailto:e@...]
Sent: 18 October 2004 20:06
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Help please



Hi Helu,


What a good idea!

If I may, I'd like to help by donating a copy of my book Straws in the Wind
as well as a copy of my father's Land Deed (Akt Nadawczy). You will recall
that the date of 10th February 1940 is pivotal to my story.

Perhaps you could let me know in due course when and where the function is
to take place. As you know, I live in Lincolnshire and, for me; a trip to
Bradford would not be a problem.

Good luck,

Eugene

-----Original Message-----
From: Helena Danielczuk [mailto:helena52@...]
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 9:57 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Help please


Hello


Last Saturday 16th October here in Bradford W.Yorks the Zjednoczenie were
planning and writing the diary of events for 2005.? I was in the next room
teaching English and waiting for the next group to teach Polish!? Imagine my
surprise but more than that saddness that 10th Feb was not featured.? So I
have taken it upon myself to do something about it.? So watch out Yorkshire!
A Mass has been organised and an obiad.? I am desperate to have an
exhibition and I think that the materials etc we have on our site are
excellent.? I have books myself but I need the Marsz Sybirakow and would
dearly love to have access to the photos in our albums of pre war Kresy etc
etc.? I need help inaccessing all of these for a real rather than a virtual
audience.? I have seen the memorial in Warszawa and have photos etc it is
awesome and sad all at the same time

I want an exhibition not just for the informed and experienced but to teach
about this history tio schools and hope to enlighten those who teach in our
schools about WW2!!

Please help as I do not have much time but there is so much work.? I hope to
write to the local press and TV, Radio nearer the time .? The Yorkshire Post
was particularly helpful and published the article which was posted in
September abou the uprising .


Bye 4 now Hela.

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deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two."
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Gallery (photos, documents) :
Film and info :
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deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two."
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Film and info :
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Re: Help please

Eugeniusz Krajewski
 

Hi Helu,


What a good idea!

If I may, I'd like to help by donating a copy of my book Straws in the Wind
as well as a copy of my father's Land Deed (Akt Nadawczy). You will recall
that the date of 10th February 1940 is pivotal to my story.

Perhaps you could let me know in due course when and where the function is
to take place. As you know, I live in Lincolnshire and, for me; a trip to
Bradford would not be a problem.

Good luck,

Eugene

-----Original Message-----
From: Helena Danielczuk [mailto:helena52@...]
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 9:57 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Help please


Hello


Last Saturday 16th October here in Bradford W.Yorks the Zjednoczenie were
planning and writing the diary of events for 2005. I was in the next room
teaching English and waiting for the next group to teach Polish! Imagine my
surprise but more than that saddness that 10th Feb was not featured. So I
have taken it upon myself to do something about it. So watch out Yorkshire!
A Mass has been organised and an obiad. I am desperate to have an
exhibition and I think that the materials etc we have on our site are
excellent. I have books myself but I need the Marsz Sybirakow and would
dearly love to have access to the photos in our albums of pre war Kresy etc
etc. I need help inaccessing all of these for a real rather than a virtual
audience. I have seen the memorial in Warszawa and have photos etc it is
awesome and sad all at the same time

I want an exhibition not just for the informed and experienced but to teach
about this history tio schools and hope to enlighten those who teach in our
schools about WW2!!

Please help as I do not have much time but there is so much work. I hope to
write to the local press and TV, Radio nearer the time . The Yorkshire Post
was particularly helpful and published the article which was posted in
September abou the uprising .


Bye 4 now Hela.

_________________________________________________________________
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deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two."
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Film and info :
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Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship

Zbigniew Bob Styrna
 

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I have two such ankiety from my two uncles.

?

They both state ¡°forced elections¡±.? In one ankieta these words are used ¡°..Sowieckie wybory..¡± and ¡°¡­listy wyborczwe..¡±? My Polish to English dictionary states that ?WYBORY¡± = ¡°Elections¡±.? It does not say anything about acclimation.

?

Ankieta states that in ¡°¡­ October 1939, ?candidates were chosen by Soviet Citizens, together with residents of Ukrainian Jewish origin¡­¡±? I presume that Soviet Citizens were Soviet Soldiers and KGB, etc. as I can¡¯t see that regular Russian civilians had time to emigrate from Russia into eastern Poland that quickly after Sept 17, 1939 invasion. ?Unless there were Soviets already living in these villages?? Any ideas?

?

No where in any of these two, or of the many others I¡¯ve read from Hoover institute does it say about being forced to be a Soviet Citizen.

?

These ¡®ankiety¡¯ define to me , and all the other Polish people that read them, and translate them as forced, mock elections that were held at a point of a gun, and disobeying these Russian orders meant instant ¡°arrests¡± and ¡®deportations¡¯.

?

I think prior to this Russian voting ¡®fiasco¡± , the Polish citizens were accustomed to? what we call here in the free world, a normal election process where people had free choices and anyone could be a candidate. ?Russia/Communists had/have their ¡°own¡± definition of elections I¡¯m sure. They had no other definition to compare it to. We must remember that in 1939, people did not have TV, Internet surfing, etc.? They did not have instant access to information like we have now.? In fact most of these Polish village farmers, like my relatives, ?only had grade 3 education if they were lucky.

?

My uncles and many others, described in their own words, as best as they could that these were not ¡®free ¡° elections as they were used to.

?

Who believes that Stalin, after being defeated by the Polish troops in the Polish¨CRussian war of 1918-1920, would be nice and fair to the Polish citizens he just occupied in 1939? ??Like ¡®fair elections¡± ?

?

Soviet = Russia

?

Regards

?

Zbyszek

?

?

-----Original Message-----

From: Stefan Wisniowski [mailto:swisniowski@...]
Sent: October 17, 2004 11:48 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship

?

Roman,

You were right, these were not elections as we understand them in the Western world. However, they did form the basis for claiming that the residents of the Kresy voted to be incorporated in to the USSR and hence become Soviet citizens. However, as you pointed out, these ¡°elections¡± were not an expression of the popular will. Hence the imposition of citizenship was not legal according to international law as stated by Halina (and rather than argue law between non-lawyers at least we are agreed that it was unconscionable and unjust).

I appreciate that you can not change your memories. As you pointed out by reference to the ankiety, people can only report their own perceptions of events. I wonder if anyone in the group has any similar memories of a plebiscite on 29-30 October asking ¡°do you want to join the Soviet Union, yes or no?¡±, or better yet, if anybody knows of any documents describing this event? I have not heard about read about it before, just about the 22 October ¡°elections¡±.

As for the Polish government, I stand corrected. I thought you were upset from your comments that they
abandoned the 400,000 Polish soldiers that surrendered to Germans and that President Moscicki and his Government, by escaping to Rumania on Sept. 17, gave the Soviet Union an excuse they needed to invade Poland to restore order. Perhaps it was still the best thing that could have been done.

Regards

--
Stefan Wisniowski (moderator)
Sydney, Australia


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deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two."
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Discussion site :
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Re: Pahiatua

 

Thank you Stefan
JRJ Roy-Wojciechowski
Honorary Consul, Republic of Poland
51 Granger Road,Howick
Auckland, New Zealand
email polish@...
web. www.polishheritage.co.nz


Re: Arnhem - Polish Paratroopers - The Kresy

 

Halina,
?
Very well written.? I agree wholeheartedly that our focus should not be too narrow.? I would have thought that a group such as this would give all of us the opportunity to stray from the path so long as the original aim is not lost sight of.
?
Chris? Scotland

Halina Szulakowska wrote:
Hello everyone,

I have been away from the KS-group for a number of months and have only just
re-subscribed.

This time last month I was in Arnhem for 7 days for the 60th commemoration
of Operation Market-Garden. My mother and I were representing my father,
Antoni Szulakowski, who took part in the operation, but is sadly no longer
with us. It was an emotional time to be with the men of both the Polish and
British airborne. The 'Lest We Forget' foundation hosted around 600 veterans
and widows during the rememberance week. I felt very honoured to be a part
of this historic event, and was especially proud of the Polish veterans -
some of whom I have had the priviledge to know since my childhood via the
ZPS (Zwiazek Polskich Spadochroniarzy).

As a group, although our focus is the Soviet deportation of Polish Citizens
from the Eastern Borderlands, we have discussed all manner of topics
relating to Poland's history - especially the timespan of WWII. The KS-Group
have, for example, always been quick to remember the anniversaries of
battles such as Monte Cassino and the Warsaw Uprising. I was, therefore, a
little upset to read back to the group's September discussion on
Market-Garden. One member actually said that, pertaining to Arnhem, "this is
not on our Kresy-Siberia topic". And there seems to have been some hostility
towards the German veterans who had quietly attended the commemoration to
also, quite rightly, mourn their dead. In war everyone suffers.

I have been in two minds as to whether I should broach this topic or not -
especially since I was unsubscribed at the time Arnhem was mentioned. But I
have since realised that I do want to share a few thoughts, and I apologise
to anyone that may find my response a little late in the day.

I think it is right to remember how our fathers, grandfathers, uncles,
brothers, members of our own KS group, fought for their right to a free
homeland: a homeland which they wanted complete with the Eastern Borderlands
where many of them had been born. My father's only concern was to return to
the Polesie which he loved so dearly, and where several generations of his
family had farmed the land. Major-General Sosabowski's motto for his Brigade
was 'Najkrotsza droga!', and his aim for the Pierwsza Samodzielna Brigada
Spadochronowa was to land in Warsaw and liberate Poland as quickly as
possible. These men, some of whom had been Soviet deportees, were all united
in their refugee status and their home-sickness.

During the service of rememberance at the Polish Monument in Driel, the
Dutch children of the local school sang a song in the Polish language. It
was 'Jaka Piekna Nasza Polska Cala'. The elderly paratrooper sitting to my
left began to cry: "It's what I fought for. I fought for my beautiful
Poland, and for her to be free". More specifically, he had fought to return
to his 'beautiful' Podole from which he had been deported on 10th February
1940.

I don't think you can divorce the deportations from the events that impacted
on the deportees both during and after WWII. I certainly can't separate my
father's military history, nor his consequent civilian life in Britain, from
that night when the Szulakowski family were bundled onto a cattletruck in
Sienkiewicze village and taken to Vologda as slave labour. Tata once told me
that, even though years had passed, there remained a part of him which was
forever the deportee.

So please can I ask that the group remains open to all of the history, which
has affected our families and friends.

Serdeczne Pozdrowienia,

Halina Szulakowska UK




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KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION
"Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens
deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two."
*
Discussion site :
Gallery (photos, documents) :
Film and info :
*
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- all new features - even more fun!


Arnhem - Polish Paratroopers - The Kresy

Halina Szulakowska
 

Hello everyone,

I have been away from the KS-group for a number of months and have only just
re-subscribed.

This time last month I was in Arnhem for 7 days for the 60th commemoration
of Operation Market-Garden. My mother and I were representing my father,
Antoni Szulakowski, who took part in the operation, but is sadly no longer
with us. It was an emotional time to be with the men of both the Polish and
British airborne. The 'Lest We Forget' foundation hosted around 600 veterans
and widows during the rememberance week. I felt very honoured to be a part
of this historic event, and was especially proud of the Polish veterans -
some of whom I have had the priviledge to know since my childhood via the
ZPS (Zwiazek Polskich Spadochroniarzy).

As a group, although our focus is the Soviet deportation of Polish Citizens
from the Eastern Borderlands, we have discussed all manner of topics
relating to Poland's history - especially the timespan of WWII. The KS-Group
have, for example, always been quick to remember the anniversaries of
battles such as Monte Cassino and the Warsaw Uprising. I was, therefore, a
little upset to read back to the group's September discussion on
Market-Garden. One member actually said that, pertaining to Arnhem, "this is
not on our Kresy-Siberia topic". And there seems to have been some hostility
towards the German veterans who had quietly attended the commemoration to
also, quite rightly, mourn their dead. In war everyone suffers.

I have been in two minds as to whether I should broach this topic or not -
especially since I was unsubscribed at the time Arnhem was mentioned. But I
have since realised that I do want to share a few thoughts, and I apologise
to anyone that may find my response a little late in the day.

I think it is right to remember how our fathers, grandfathers, uncles,
brothers, members of our own KS group, fought for their right to a free
homeland: a homeland which they wanted complete with the Eastern Borderlands
where many of them had been born. My father's only concern was to return to
the Polesie which he loved so dearly, and where several generations of his
family had farmed the land. Major-General Sosabowski's motto for his Brigade
was 'Najkrotsza droga!', and his aim for the Pierwsza Samodzielna Brigada
Spadochronowa was to land in Warsaw and liberate Poland as quickly as
possible. These men, some of whom had been Soviet deportees, were all united
in their refugee status and their home-sickness.

During the service of rememberance at the Polish Monument in Driel, the
Dutch children of the local school sang a song in the Polish language. It
was 'Jaka Piekna Nasza Polska Cala'. The elderly paratrooper sitting to my
left began to cry: "It's what I fought for. I fought for my beautiful
Poland, and for her to be free". More specifically, he had fought to return
to his 'beautiful' Podole from which he had been deported on 10th February
1940.

I don't think you can divorce the deportations from the events that impacted
on the deportees both during and after WWII. I certainly can't separate my
father's military history, nor his consequent civilian life in Britain, from
that night when the Szulakowski family were bundled onto a cattletruck in
Sienkiewicze village and taken to Vologda as slave labour. Tata once told me
that, even though years had passed, there remained a part of him which was
forever the deportee.

So please can I ask that the group remains open to all of the history, which
has affected our families and friends.

Serdeczne Pozdrowienia,

Halina Szulakowska UK


Janek Now Knows His Birthday! Sto lat!

 

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Drogi Janek!
?
This is spectacular news!? I am so happy for you!? Sto lat!
?
It's very strange with my father's birthday.? All these years we celebrated his birthday on August?13th.? His birthday was like a national holiday to him too--I remember a huge party complete with tents and even a belly dancer when he was in his early forties!? (This was due to his love of the Middle East.)? There was no such thing as putting off the celebration to the weekend if the day fell during the week or whenever.? It had to be celebrated on the actual day!? When the Group got the Evacuation list, I was shocked to see that my father's birthday was noted in September!? Although I don't know if I believe this 100 per cent yet, I wonder now when his true birthday is.??I have been putting off for years writing to the Lwow archives for?his certificate and also my aunt's since I've always been concentrating on another area.? My aunt has no idea of her?real birthday, and mystery now surrounds?my father's day.?
?
Na zdrowie, Janek!
Eve Jesionka Jankowicz
USA??


Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship (Plebiscite)

 

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Hello Stefan, Roman, and Group -
?
Yes, Stefan, my grandfather's ankiety was stamped with a Polish Eagle, the only ankiety I have in my possession to be so stamped.? In his ankiety, he mentions the "election" plebiscite.? This I wrote of in 2001 to the Group.? Please see my Post No. 331.? In my? Grand Uncle Feliks' ankiety, he also mentioned the plebiscite?which was basically the same as his brother's, my grandfather, Maksymilian Jesionka, who was a Sgt. in the Austrian ulan in World War I.
?
Best regards,
Eve Jesionka Jankowicz
USA
-----

I wonder if anyone in the group has any similar memories of a
plebiscite on 29-30 October asking ?do you want to join the Soviet Union,
yes or no??, or better yet, if anybody knows of any documents describing
this event? I have not heard about read about it before, just about the 22
October ?elections?.


Re: Help please

Lisa Blenkinsop
 

Helena,

If there is anything I can do to help please let me know - I am just down the raod in Lancaster. Either way, I would like to know how you get on and to visit the exhibition.

Best wishes,

Lisa

Lancaster, UK

>From: "Helena Danielczuk"
>Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
>To: Kresy-Siberia@...
>Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Help please
>Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:56:43 +0000
>
>
>Hello
>
>
>Last Saturday 16th October here in Bradford W.Yorks the Zjednoczenie were
>planning and writing the diary of events for 2005.??I was in the next room
>teaching English and waiting for the next group to teach Polish!??Imagine my
>surprise but more than that saddness that 10th Feb was not featured.??So I
>have taken it upon myself to do something about it.??So watch out Yorkshire!
>A Mass has been organised and an obiad.??I am desperate to have an
>exhibition and I think that the materials etc we have on our site are
>excellent.??I have books myself but I need the Marsz Sybirakow and would
>dearly love to have access to the photos in our albums of pre war Kresy etc
>etc.??I need help inaccessing all of these for a real rather than a virtual
>audience.??I have seen the memorial in Warszawa and have photos etc it is
>awesome and sad all at the same time
>
>I want an exhibition not just for the informed and experienced but to teach
>about this history tio schools and hope to enlighten those who teach in our
>schools about WW2!!
>
>Please help as I do not have much time but there is so much work.??I hope to
>write to the local press and TV, Radio nearer the time .??The Yorkshire Post
>was particularly helpful and published the article which was posted in
>September abou the uprising .
>
>
>Bye 4 now Hela.
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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Help please

 

Hello


Last Saturday 16th October here in Bradford W.Yorks the Zjednoczenie were planning and writing the diary of events for 2005. I was in the next room teaching English and waiting for the next group to teach Polish! Imagine my surprise but more than that saddness that 10th Feb was not featured. So I have taken it upon myself to do something about it. So watch out Yorkshire! A Mass has been organised and an obiad. I am desperate to have an exhibition and I think that the materials etc we have on our site are excellent. I have books myself but I need the Marsz Sybirakow and would dearly love to have access to the photos in our albums of pre war Kresy etc etc. I need help inaccessing all of these for a real rather than a virtual audience. I have seen the memorial in Warszawa and have photos etc it is awesome and sad all at the same time

I want an exhibition not just for the informed and experienced but to teach about this history tio schools and hope to enlighten those who teach in our schools about WW2!!

Please help as I do not have much time but there is so much work. I hope to write to the local press and TV, Radio nearer the time . The Yorkshire Post was particularly helpful and published the article which was posted in September abou the uprising .


Bye 4 now Hela.

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Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship

Stefan Wisniowski
 

Roman,

You were right, these were not elections as we understand them in the Western world. However, they did form the basis for claiming that the residents of the Kresy voted to be incorporated in to the USSR and hence become Soviet citizens. However, as you pointed out, these ¡°elections¡± were not an expression of the popular will. Hence the imposition of citizenship was not legal according to international law as stated by Halina (and rather than argue law between non-lawyers at least we are agreed that it was unconscionable and unjust).

I appreciate that you can not change your memories. As you pointed out by reference to the ankiety, people can only report their own perceptions of events. I wonder if anyone in the group has any similar memories of a plebiscite on 29-30 October asking ¡°do you want to join the Soviet Union, yes or no?¡±, or better yet, if anybody knows of any documents describing this event? I have not heard about read about it before, just about the 22 October ¡°elections¡±.

As for the Polish government, I stand corrected. I thought you were upset from your comments that they
abandoned the 400,000 Polish soldiers that surrendered to Germans and that President Moscicki and his Government, by escaping to Rumania on Sept. 17, gave the Soviet Union an excuse they needed to invade Poland to restore order. Perhaps it was still the best thing that could have been done.

Regards

--
Stefan Wisniowski (moderator)
Sydney, Australia


Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship

romed46
 

Stefan,

The Winston Dictionary defines the word "elect" to mean " to choose
from among the number". Soviet Union was a one party, it is the
communist party, state. All decisions and selections of officials
were made by the national or local communist party. The selected
individuals were presented to the community at a meeting and
confirmed by acclamation. To submit a different name was considered
to be a contra-revolutionary act and subject to a severe
punishment.I believe that you and the others consider Soviet
arranged acclamation meetings to be elections. I do not.
As you suggested I have read the article on Jean Iwanski's website.
I see that it was prepared by a British writer and is unsigned.He
refers to Lwow as Lemberg, and he never heard the term "Western
Ukraine" and thinks that even local population doesn't know it. I
don't think it is a credible document.
In the fall of 1939 I was a first year student at the Lwow
Polytechnic, with my home town being the town of Stryj (population
32,000) and 60 km south of Lwow, I commuted betwen the two and
witnessed the events as they occured.I can not change my memory and
the knowledge of the events because some unknown British writer,
years after the events occured, wrote a misleading story.
No, Stefan, I am not upset that the Polish government fled Warsaw, I
simply asked a hypothetical question.I still ponder what would have
happened,where would I be living now,where would you be living, etc,
etc.

Roman Skulski
West Vancouver, Canada





--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., Stefan Wisniowski
<swisniowski@p...> wrote:
Roman

You are clearly upset that the Polish government fled Warsaw and
abandoned
the nation. But it never surrendered and kept fighting in exile,
while other
nations sued for peace with the Germans and even set up puppet
governments.
Hard to say which is more of an abandonment.

Anyway, to answer your questions about elections, citizenship and
so on.

You previously said ?Oct. 29-30/39? Soviet occupying?
power carries
out a
plebiscite in the occupied territory asking the population one
question, do
they want to join the Soviet Union,? yes or no.? Nov. 1 - 2
/39?
The Soviet
authorities announce the results of the plebiscite stating
that?99
% voted
yes, and that the occupied territory is now part of the Soviet
Union?

You also said you voted on October 29 in in Lw¨®w. Well, perhaps
something
did happen in Lw¨®w on those days, but it does not correspond
with
the
published histories of the events leading to the USSR?s claims
of
legality
for annexing eastern Poland and appropriating its citizens. I refer
you to
the website for a legal
examination of this.

I also urge you to purchase or borrow and read the book
?Revolution
from
Abroad ? The Soviet Conquest of Poland?s Western Ukraine and
Western
Belorussia?.
The
extensive
research is based in part on the thousands of depositions in the
Hoover
Institution at Stanford by Polish citizens who were there and
escaped to
Persia as well as on original Soviet sources.

To summarise the ?plebiscite? and ?elections? that led
to
incorporation of
these territories into the USSR and hence to the decree of Soviet
citizenship:

1. On 4 October 1939 the local provisional councils announced
elections to
be held on Sunday 22 October 1939

2. Local populations were forced to pre-election meetings to hear
speeches
from activists (usually in Russian) and to endorse candidates.
People were
rounded up to attend these meetings and if they did not they were
blacklisted and often arrested. The issues in question were never
clear to
the voters, who were subjected to propaganda about the great Soviet
Union
etc. but never told exactly what they were voting for.

3. The candidates were announced to the meetings, having been
selected by
soviet authorities. They were generally unknown to the local
community, or
were imbeciles, thieves, or otherwise highly incompetent. When
local
communities protested and wanted to nominate one of their own
candidates
they were admonished as not understanding the system, and told the
incompetents would be educated on the job. Any who protested were
blacklisted and often arrested.

4. When it came time to vote on 22 October 1939, participation was
carefully
monitored and the locals were hounded out of their homes to vote.
Any who
refused were blacklisted and often arrested.

5. When the voting was conducted, the official candidate was listed
on the
ballot. Most ballots were ?spoiled?, for example by crossing
out
that name,
writing obscenities about the USSR, smudging the ballot, writing in
a new
candidate. ?Good ballots? were those for the official
candidate. In
some
places the voter was handed a ballot premarked and told not to look
at it
before they deposited it in the ballot box.

6. Counting the ballots. Officials duty was to record maximum
support for
the official candidate. As the electorate generally cast a small
number of
?good? ballots (one report said 3%) there were a number of
ways of
getting
the desired result. Some officials counted all ballots as
?good? no
matter
what they said. Other destroyed the ?bad? ballots and
substituted
them with
new ones. In any case, they all ended up reporting ?good?
votes in
the 90%?s
as required by the election authorities. The published results were:
[Electorate / Votes] "Western Ukraine: ?4,776,273 / 4,433,997
(or
93%);
"Western White Ruthenia: ?2,763,191 / 2,672,280 (or 97%).

7. Despite an overall ethnic makeup of the 13 million people in
eastern
Poland of about 1/3 Poles, 1/3 Ukrainians and 1/3 split between
Belorussians, Polesians and Jews, the newly elected National
Assemblies were
made up as follows: Western Ukraine (1389 Ukrainians, 61 Jews, 44
Poles and
8 Russians) and Western Belorussia (659 Belorussians, 105 Poles, 75
Jews and
58 Russians).

8. The National Assemblies met for 2 days on 26 and 28 October 1939
to
endorse the new system of government, incorporation into the USSR,
confiscation of private landholdings and nationalisation of banks
and large
industry. The sessions were marked by readings of socialist
writings, poems
to Stalin and so on. In the Lw¨®w assembly in Lw¨®w, delegates
were
seated
between NKVD officers to ensure they voted correctly. The one or
two who did
not were later arrested.

9. The Assemblies sent delegations to Moscow to request
incorporation with
the USSR before the Supreme Soviet (approved 1 November 1939) and
then to
Kiev and Minsk respectively for amalgamation with the Ukrainian SSR
(approved 15th November 1939) and the Belorussian SSR (approved 14th
November 1939).

10. Meanwhile, back in the Kresy, the ballots had all been marked
and
numbered so that the authorities could tell who voted which way. As
a
result, many were blacklisted and often arrested.

Do you still think the election and plebiscite of 22 October 1939
leading to
incorporation into the USSR was legal and fair? Any questions?

--
Stefan Wisniowski (moderator)
Sydney, Australia

From: "romed46" <romed46@y...>
You state that the plebiscite was conducted under duress. In my
home town
there was no duress. You also refer to rigged "elections", and if
my memory
serves me
right,someone else mentioned elections where the Russians presented
one
Russian, one Ukrainian and one Jew as candidates. Could you tell me
where
and when the elections were held and for what position or office the
candidates ran. I have not heard about it before.
Roman Skulski
West Vancouver, Canada


Re: Enigma Code Breakers

 

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Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship

romed46
 

-Barbara,
I have read the ankiety that you have suggested and in my opinion the
people making these depositions confused ellections with acclamation
meetings. Bronislaw Kanas mentions "Sel-Rad", it is an acronym for
the Ukrainian " Selo Rada" or a Village Soviet. Soviet authorities
used to present three individuals, chairman, secretary and political
officer of a village soviet and asked inhabitants for acclamation.
In the ankiety one person states that elections took place at night,
another that the people blindly went to the voting box and completed
all the demands, another states that out of 130 votes only 12 were
valid, another states that his parents told him that cards were
distributed and the people were required to sign and return
them,another one states that that elections were for the parliament
(sejm).They were all residents of Warszawka.
There are some errors in translation, like translating Polish
word "agitacja" to an English word "uprising".
Regards,

Roman

-- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "Barb Kwietniowski"
<barbkwie@e...> wrote:
"> You also refer to rigged "elections", and if my memory serves me
right,someone else mentioned elections where the Russians
presented
one Russian, one Ukrainian and one Jew as candidates.
Could you tell me where and when the elections were held and for
what
position or office the candidates ran. I have not heard about it
before. "
Roman,
Some of the ankiety from the Hoover archives are posted at
with English
translations.
They talk about the events after September 1939 and before February
1940.

Barbara Kwietniowski
Ontario, Canada