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Re: Rafal's Thesis Research
J Eddis
Dear Rafal,
On the K-S companion research site www. aforgottenodyssey.com you will find an extensive bibliography that includes first person accounts of how Poles and others were taken from Eastern Poland by the Soviets and how they made their way to join Anders Army. These books, films, on-line stories, etc., will give you a good idea of what happened to individuals and what the conditions were like in the USSR in the early forties. One of those books is Without Vodka: Adventures in Wartime Russia by my husband, Aleksander Topolski who was arrested in Eastern Poland in 1939. You can see the index of it on his website www.withoutvodka.com The book ends when he arrives in Iran with Anderss Army. Aleks is now busy revising his manuscript for the second volume of his memoirs-- Without A Roof (WAR)-- about his service with Signals in the 2nd Polish Corps from the time they left the USSR until he arrived in England shortly after the war in Europe ended. For over a year in Italy he served in Anderss HQ as a Cadet Officer. He recently received a certified copy of his army records from the British Ministry of Defense. They are in Polish. I believe he would be willing to send you a copy of his personal records if that could be useful in gaining incite into the paperwork that followed the soldiers around. He would also probably share any bits of his WAR manuscript with you that might shed light on some aspect of Anders Army that you are interested in or need clarification about from someone who served in it. His memory is still pretty good, although he is now 80. If you have specific questionsn you can reach him at aleks@... Good luck with your thesis. Judging from my academic experience, I think you will find you will have to narrow down your topic once you get much farther into your research. Happy Solstice! Joan Eddis-Topolski ----- www.withoutvodka.com ----------From: "Rafal Czapla" <rczapla1@...> _________________________________________________________________,,,,,,,,,,,, I want to join your discussion group because I am currentlypursuing aMasters Degree in History, with an emphasis on World War Two, and I am......................... Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. |
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anders v. sikorski
most believe that sikorski was assasinated. assuming that this is
true, can anybody tell me why anders was spared? it would seem to me that if the nkvd wanted to get you, they did. im sure he posed as much of a threat as sikorski, in terms of leadership and overall respect of the poles. oh, and while surfing the net i found an article stating that anders was lithuanian, i have found two different birthplaces for him:Zemaitija, lithuania or blonie, poland. does anybody know what the deal is? also... im sorry that i keep flooding these pages with question after question but i have had no opportunity until now to try to get to the bottom of this "alternative" history, as you all well know, (school) history books have not been kind to the poles. thanks rafal-chicago,usa |
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Re: A new member needs help
George:
My father did the same journey - From the Junacks in Palestine, to the Polish Naval College in Great Wyrley, which is in.....the West Midlands. Is this the same one, do you know ?? If so, go to set_albumName=Mike-Kulik Here in my photo album you will find photos of the Naval College - you might even spot your father ?? Michael Kulik Walsall, West Midlands. -- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "george_slawek" <gslawek@p...> wrote: My father, Marian, joined the Unaki in Palestine and eventuallymade it to England aboard a troopship. He joined some type of Polish Navy Cadet training program in the Midlands UK
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ZYGMUNT HENRYK BERLING (1896-1980), ETC.
Re: ZYGMUNT HENRYK BERLING(1896-1980), "Kosciuszko Division," etc.
For Rafal in Chicago: Not surprisingly most source materials on Berling, the "Kosciuszko Division," and related topics are not available in English. Here are a few exceptions available on the net: A very brief biographical sketch on Berling: and more generally on the history of Ludowe Wojsko Polskie(LWP): A useful timeline on the Polish holocaust including this entry: "June [1943] The Ist Polish Infantry Division, the Tadeusz Kosciuszko Division, is formed in USSR under General Zygmunt Berling who had deserted Anders' army. Freed Poles in the USSR who didn't reach Anders' army and Polish conscripts in the Red Army will form the 1st, 2nd, 3rd Polish Armies. About 200,000 Poles will fight alongside the Soviets under their command." From the "Polish Information Center 1939-1945" on "Soviet Puppet Government in Poland": tml "In the early fall of 1942 the Soviets announced that they had neither food not arms nor equipment for the Polish Army whose units were being formed in Russia. Following their express demand, the Polish Army was evacuated from the Soviet Union to the Middle East. Colonel Zygmunt Bering, one of the few Polish officers who had once been hand-picked by the NKVD and put up in the luxurious villa near Moscow-succumbed to the Soviet instigations and deserted the Polish Army. The reason for his desertion the world learned only several months later, when the ecruitment for the Soviet-sponsored Polish Army was announced, to be led by Colonel Berling. Arms, food and equipment were then found easily for this new 'Polish Army.' " For a more sympathetic view of Berling and the 1st Infantry Division Tadeusz Kosciuszko: q=cache:dALUX5KwBSMJ:2ndww.tripod.com/Poland/lenino.htm+% 22Zygmunt+Berling%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 A chapter with useful bibliography on "Soviet Aims and Gains in World War II and the Soviet Takeover of Eastern Europe": A general overview by Anna M.Cienciala (Univ.of KS) on researching Soviet WWII policy towards Poland in Russian archives: Hope these are of some interest and assistance. Sincerely, -Bill Kordas, NH, USA --- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "rjczapla" <rczapla1@h...> wrote: i would like to thank those of you that have begun to post in regards to my question. i have already found a lot of information thanks to your help. I would also like to thank those that e-mailed me directly. let me pose this question: do we know anything about Poles who, when apporached by the Soviets, swore their allagiance to Stalin? Basically, my question is, did people even have a choice of "join us, or else?" thanks in advance, rafal-chicago, usa |
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Hospital in Teheran....
Lloydeen Glowacki
My husband just obtained a small photo of his mother in a hospital in
Teheran. On the back is the date: July, 1942. Does anyone know if there was a hospital just set up for the survivors from Siberia? I'm also wondering who staffed the hospital. The nurse in the picture looks Caucasian rather than Middle Eastern. Are there any mortality/morbidity records that exist from the hospital? My Mother-in-law was one of the thousands that were suffering from typhus. (She survived that also.) Terry Glowacki Palos Verdes, California |
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Re: thanks for the prompt replies...and a new question....
Stefan Wisniowski
As I recall, (Zygmunt?) Berling was an officer of Anders who remained loyal to the Soviets, to the point that as the officer in charge of the rear station in the evacuation, the last ships left without him and he stayed in the USSR to organise the Polish division of the Red Army (The Kosciuszko Division) that went on to defeat Berlin.
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Can anybody confirm or elaborate on that recollection? Otherwise, tens of thousands were drafted into the Red Army from Soviet-occupied territory and basically had no choice. Stefan Wisniowski
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Re: Hospital in Teheran....
In a message dated 12/9/03 12:55:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, lmglow@...
writes: << lmglow@... (Lloydeen Glowacki) >> Hi Terry, Yes indeed there was a Polish hospital in Teheran. In fact the hospital was in existence until 1945 when all Poles left Iran. In fact my mother worked there in 1945. Did your relative survive? Hope I was of some help. Teresa Mikosz-Hintzke |
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thanks for the prompt replies...and a new question....
i would like to thank those of you that have begun to post in
regards to my question. i have already found a lot of information thanks to your help. I would also like to thank those that e-mailed me directly. let me pose this question: do we know anything about Poles who, when apporached by the Soviets, swore their allagiance to Stalin? Basically, my question is, did people even have a choice of "join us, or else?" thanks in advance, rafal-chicago, usa |
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Re: Hi, my name is Rafal...
Rafal wrote:
I am currently working on a masters thesis onHi Rafal, If you have not narrowed down your topic as yet, can I suggest that you go local ? The AK veterans are leaving us very rapidly and need to be interviewed. I think that Stefan said that you live in Chicago. There should be an AK Circle there. It may be interesting to find out, for example, how AK veterans felt treated by American veterans, or what the US govt. policy was toward them. Anyway, that's my 2 cents. Good luck on your thesis ! Also, please sign your posts with your city and country of residence. We have Europeans, Australians, North and South Americans and maybe even Asians on this list. It will be easier for people to direct you to certain resources. Andy Golebiowski Buffalo, NY USA __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. |
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Re: STRAWS IN THE WIND
Eugeniusz Krajewski
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I am pleased to hear of your interest in my book. As requested, I am happy to provide you with information about it. The book full title is: Straws in the Wind The betrayal of Poland and one family's incredible journey. Author Eugene Krajewski ISBN 1-904623-01-8 Edition Paperback The book describes my own trials, tribulations and adventures, as well as those of my family, during the Second World War and thereafter. I, together with my mother and three siblings, was woken from my bed on the memorable night of 10th February 1940, by the representatives of Soviet Security Services, the so called NKWD. Our house was surrounded by armed soldiers and we were told to pack our belongings and prepare to be "resettled". What followed was a journey to the forced labour camp in the Archangel, subsequent journey to Kazakhstan, transport across the Caspian Sea to Persia, India and finally, England. The book has been well received by the British press. I attach an article entitled "The Incredible Journey" for your information. I have also had my book reviewed by the BBC Radio book club. Again the book was received very well. In fact the reviewers rated it 10 out of 10. Something they hardly ever do. Please let me know if you would like me to supply you a copy. I will then let you know the total cost inclusive of postage, packing and bank charges. Please also let me know if you'd like me to sign the book for you. Please also give me your postal address. Kind regards, Eugene Krajewski -----Original Message-----
From: BJ JOHNSON [mailto:b.johnson@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:00 AM To: e@... Subject: STRAWS IN THE WIND Good afternoon. I have just received my latest edition of Kresy-Siberiaand noticed that you have published the above book. May I please have some inforamtion about this book as I am sure that I will want to buy a copy. Many thanks.
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Re: Rising 44
Lloydeen Glowacki
Thanks again, John. I tried doing an online search for the article just now
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and can't go into the archives without subscribing, it seems. Terry Glowacki on 12/8/03 6:22 PM, John Phillips at jhphill@... wrote: Terry, it was a couple of months or so ago now but a big article on Thanks John. Do you know what issue of Financial Times that was? |
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Re: Hi, my name is Rafal...
If you haven't already, you must read General Anders's book, "An Army in
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Exile." The Hoover Institution is an obvious source of information as is the Sikorski Museum in London. And of course there is the book: "Documents on Polish-Soviet Relations 1939-1945" published by Heineman. Since they've been translated into English, this is a time-saver if your Polish is rusty. Less well known is a source in Canada. The papers of Tadeusz Romer, who was Poland's ambassador to the USSR 1942-43 and later Foreign Minister in the Government-in-Exile, are archived in the National Archives of Canada. They contain a great deal of interesting information about the situation of the Polish deportees in Russia and also about Polish-Russian relations. There are quite a few transcripts of meetings that took place between Stalin-Sikorski-Romer-Anders and others. Tadeusz Romer came to Montreal after the war where he taught French literature at mcGill niversity and was a founder of the Polish Institute and Library. When the Soviets were attacked by Germany, they suddenly needed the allies. One of the conditions of this new alliance was the release of Polish prisoners -- among the General Anders -- and the formation of a Polish army. Stalin wanted the Polish army to fight under Red Army command. Anders knew this would be suicide for the Poles. Under pressure from the Brits and very much from the very strong personality of Anders himself, Stalin finally agreed to let this army leave the Soviet Union to join the Brits in the Middle East. Giving in to pressure from Anders, he allowed the civilians that were getting protection from the army to leave with them. (This is fascinating. I doubt that Stalin gave into pressure very often.) That is a very short and simple resume of a long and complex story. ----- Original Message -----
From: "rjczapla" <rczapla1@...> To: <Kresy-Siberia@...> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 5:43 PM Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Hi, my name is Rafal... I was born in Debica, Poland and in 1980 and my family emigrated to* KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITIONcitizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two."* Discussion site :* To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail*
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Re: Hi, my name is Rafal...
romed46
-Rafal,
May I suggest that you read my message # 3150 dated Dec.2, 2002,it will give you the information that you are seeking. You should also view my website POLAND & WW II 1939-1945 at the following address . Regards, Roman Skulski Canada -- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "rjczapla" <rczapla1@h...> wrote: I was born in Debica, Poland and in 1980 and my family emigrated toworking on a masters thesis on Ander's Army. I would appreciate any |
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Re: Hi, my name is Rafal...
John Phillips
believe it mainly was anders himself abd president sikorski ... Rgrds.
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From: "rjczapla" <rczapla1@...> To: <Kresy-Siberia@...> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 23:43 Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Hi, my name is Rafal... I was born in Debica, Poland and in 1980 and my family emigrated toSponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon orLexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US &Canada. -~-> * KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITIONcitizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World WarTwo." * Discussion site : Film and info : * To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail *
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Re: Rising 44
John Phillips
Terry, it was a couple of months or so ago now but a big article on
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back page ... I gave my copy to a friend who may be able to give the date or otherwise we could do a search on the ft site ... prime mover in all this from uk side is denis macshane, deputy foreign minister, who has a Polish family connection, I believe ... Rgrds. John ----- Original Message -----
From: "Lloydeen Glowacki" <lmglow@...> To: <Kresy-Siberia@...> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 21:36 Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Rising 44 on 12/8/03 12:29 PM, Stefan Wisniowski at swisniowski@...wrote: book onJOHN WRITES: that AKthe Warsaw uprising a couple of weeks ago. I note that he says I amveterans in Britain were denied a war pension by the British Govt. between Londonwondering if this has changed now or might do so. Relations considerableand Warsaw are now excellent and the British Govt. has gone to made withlengths to apologise to the Polish Govt. for some of the mistakes anregard to Polish Allies in WW2, especially I believe that I saw in Office for thearticle in Financial Times recently an apology by the Foreign the VictoryBritish failure to invite a Polish contingent to participate in or mayparade in London at war's end. Equally perhaps Warsaw Govt. issues beneficiallyissue pensions for AK veterans... mother!)... Bestsome of your Group members or their widows (as well as my rgrds. * citizensKRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION Two."deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War * Discussion site : Film and info : * To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail *
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Re: Hi, my name is Rafal...
Stefan Wisniowski
It is a long story, full of intrigue and adventure. ?Would anybody like to start us off?
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Hi, my name is Rafal...
I was born in Debica, Poland and in 1980 and my family emigrated to
the US in the early 1990s. I have always had an interest in WWII and especially Polish-Soviet relations during that time (thanks to my grandfathers, both fought in the conflict) I am currently working on a masters thesis on Ander's Army. I would appreciate any information i could get on the topic. i have already found your discussions amazingly helpful and i look forward to sharing ideas. I am also amazed that a discussion group like this exists, it is truly special that people are still interested in the events of WWII, especially ones that have been supressed for so many years by so many people and nations. To start off, does anybody know who initiated the release of the prisoners that would form Ander's army? Was it the Soviets, the Brits? Do any documents exists that would corroborate this information, and if so where could i locate them? Thanks in advance. rafal |
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Re: Rising 44
Lloydeen Glowacki
on 12/8/03 12:29 PM, Stefan Wisniowski at swisniowski@... wrote:
JOHN WRITES:Thanks John. Do you know what issue of Financial Times that was? Terry Glowacki |
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Rising 44
Stefan Wisniowski
JOHN WRITES:
From: "John Phillips" <jhphill@...> Reply-To: "John Phillips" <jhphill@...> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 06:11:06 +0100 I've been enjoying all the interesting items on your amazing site ... I was lucky enough to obtain a copy of Norman Davies' fine new book on the Warsaw uprising a couple of weeks ago. I note that he says that AK veterans in Britain were denied a war pension by the British Govt. I am wondering if this has changed now or might do so. Relations between London and Warsaw are now excellent and the British Govt. has gone to considerable lengths to apologise to the Polish Govt. for some of the mistakes made with regard to Polish Allies in WW2, especially I believe that I saw in an article in Financial Times recently an apology by the Foreign Office for the British failure to invite a Polish contingent to participate in the Victory parade in London at war's end. Equally perhaps Warsaw Govt. issues or may issue pensions for AK veterans... Just a thought as if there were such a pension it might affect beneficially some of your Group members or their widows (as well as my mother!)... Best rgrds. |
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