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Re: Public Reading of Polskie Chlopcy

 

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HI Krystyna!
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Could you post a copy of the poem to the Group?
?
Regards, Ken.

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From: Krystyna Freiburger [mailto:krystynafreiburger@...]
Sent: 16 November 2003 03:47
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Public Reading of Polskie Chlopcy

I had the same experience .....last week at the showing of "A Forgotten Odessey" (about 200 attended)...I had a group of my Polish High School?Credit students read "Polskie Chlopcy" and the same thing happened...people were crying and all of this week I have been making copies for many !!!
Thank you Hania.


Re: POLAND & WORLD W AR II 1939 -1945

 

Hi Roman,
I want to thank you for the beautiful pages reflecting the struggle of Polish people during WWII. This is an axcellent way to educate the world about this issue.
Thanks
Romuald

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Date: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:50 pm
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] POLAND & WORLD W AR II 1939 -1945

Dear friends,
I just added 20 philatelic pages and 23 pages of my Wartime Diary /
Memoir/ Pamietnik to my website "POLAND AND WORLD WAR II 1939 -1945".
You may view them on or on the
Forgotten Odyssey website under LINKS - POLAND in WORLD WAR 2 -
General - POLAND AND WORLD WAR II 1939-1945.

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Public Reading of Polskie Chlopcy

Wanda Sawicki
 

I had passed along a copy of Hania Kaczanowska's poem "Polskie Chlopcy" to
my parents, and they took it to the Polish Hall today for the Remembrance
Day dinner. It was read as part of the program, and apparently everyone was
quite moved...hardly a dry eye in the house. Many asked for copies. My
mother expressed everyone's gratitude (for being recognized, understood and
cared about) to me over the phone as soon as they got home. I'm so sorry I
wasn't able to be there to witness this, but just wanted to let you all know
about this, that when we share our work, as Hania has done, the effects can
ripple out quite far. Many thanks, Hania, well done!
Wanda


Re: Zjazd Wolyniakow ?

 

Hello all,
My question meant to read: Has anyone heard of a
reunion of former residents of Wolyn being planned for
next year in Poland ?

Andy Golebiowski
Buffalo, NY
USA

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Re: Rzeszow, Sokolow Malopolski, Zakopane and Bialystok - esperanto

 

--- Tomasz_Winiewski <tomy@...> wrote: >
Rzeszow, Sokolow Malopolski, Zakopane and Bialystok
- esperanto

I just added some pre 1939 photo albums
Look into


For all other photos watch at
www.aforgottenodyssey.com/gallery/albums.php
"Alfabet Polski" - Poland Photos & Maps pre-1945

Tomek Wisniewski
Bialystok
Tomek,

My parents were forced out of their farms near PRUDNO
near MCIBOW which was Polish territory before the WW2.
My mum and dad were small children.My mum has recently
let me look at documents of original land deeds that
her mum passed on when she died in Siberia during
WW2.My dads farm was next door to my mums farm.
It would be nice to be able to research the exact
location of this land and perhaps use your holiday
home as a base though this sort of trip would take a
lot of planning.
I would also be interested if in your view their may
be a possibility that my mums family may still be able
to claim this land.If so from which government.
I look forward to you reply.
Kind regards
Zygmunt Zalewski

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Re: Location of Polish Cemetery, Tehran

info legia
 

I got an e-mail response after 6 months waiting.

Regards
Pawel Kossowski


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Stephen
I have forwarded this to the Kresy-Siberia Group for
the members'
consideration and if any of them would like to
request photos of their
families graves in Iran. Our member Wladyslaw
Czapski was there last year,
as I mentioned.

My most recent contact info was:
Embassy of the Republic of Poland
Africa Expressway, Pirouz Str. 1/3
P.O. Box 11365-3489
19-174 Teheran
Iran.
Phone: (0-09821) 8787-262/4
Fax: (0-09821) 8788-774
Email: ambrpiri@...

But like you, I never received an e-mail response.

Best wishes for a great trip to Iran!

Regards
Stefan Wisniowski

From: "Stephan Landis"
<stephan_landis@...>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:48:03 -0500
To: swisniowski@...
Subject: Re: Location of Polish Cemetery, Tehran

Thank you, Stefan, for the note. I still have had
difficulty in gettng any
e-mail reply from the Polish Embassy in Tehran,
and my travel arrangements
are "a go" for Nov 24, assuming the visa comes
through in time. I read the
note about your young aunt and saw the letter from
the Embassy to you. Do
you have a fax number for them ? I have not tried
that route yet. Have any
of the people on the "Forgotten Odyssey" chat
group been to the Cemetery,
and would they share the precise location in the
city ? Given that it will
be Eid al Fitr, the post-Ramadan holiday in Iran,
when we go, we may not
have much success about contacting officials
regarding the spelling of your
aunt's name. But we shall investigate who does
take care of that cemetery.
Anybody want a photo of a key headstone, if
feasible ?? Frankly, we are not
sure what to expect. Maybe some broad shots of the
area might be of interest
to you or your group.

Best wishes, Stephan Landis

PS: I did receive a fax last year from a lady at
Stanford University who
"mined" the Hoover Institute data base and pulled
out a document signed by
my father in about 1943, when he left Russia. If
he was still alive today,
he would have been "blown away" to see such a
note. My mother confirmed his
signature. I have quite a number of letters from
those days, including
several from my grandfather, sentenced to the
Arctic Russian work camps. I
need to see his Tehran gravesite to bring the
family story to closure, and
to offer my children a sense of their past Polish
heritage.


From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
To: Stephan Landis <stephan_landis@...>
Subject: Re: Location of Polish Cemetery, Tehran
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:34:18 +1100

Stephen
It is in "DULAB". See photos at


By the way, I have some information on three
people who passed through
Teheran:
Szuszkiewicz, Antoni (son of Jan, born in 1921 in
Tarnopol province)
Szuszkiewicz, Franciszek (son of Kazimierz , born
in 1895 in Wilno
province)
Szuszkiewicz, Piotr (son of Jan, born in 1898
or 1900 in Lwow)

Any relations?

Can you do me a favour?
The tombstone of my aunt "KAZIMIERA WISNIOWSKA"
has two errors on it: Her
name, and her birthdate. You can see the details
on my webpage at


The trick is - who to contact regarding making a
correction? Perhaps when
you are there you can figure something out...

Let me know if you need further information or if
it would be useful to
make contact with some people who actually were
there a few months ago.....

And by the way, have I invited you to join the
Kresy-Siberia Group of
people in touch with this history?

Stefan


From: "Stephan Landis"
<stephan_landis@...>
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:12:59 -0500
To: swisniowski@...
Subject: Location of Polish Cemetery, Tehran

Hello, Mr. Wisniowski, I have been
intermittently following the Forgotten
Odyssey website, and am presently living in the
United Arab Emirates. I am
planning to visit Tehran later this month and
wonder whether you or someone
from the discussion group knows the exact
location of the Polish/Catholic
Cemetery in Tehran. I have not been able to get
a response from the Polish
Embassy in Tehran nor find its location on the
Web.

I will be the first in the family to visit my
grandfather's grave in 60
years. Any help is most appreciated.

Best wishes,

Dr. Stephan Landis (Szuszkiewicz),
Shaikh Khalifa Medical Centre,
PO Box 51900,
Abu Dhabi, UAE

E-mail: stephan_landis@...

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Re: Public Reading of Polskie Chlopcy

 

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I had the same experience .....last week at the showing of "A Forgotten Odessey" (about 200 attended)...I had a group of my Polish High School?Credit students read "Polskie Chlopcy" and the same thing happened...people were crying and all of this week I have been making copies for many !!!
Thank you Hania.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:20 PM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Public Reading of Polskie Chlopcy

I had passed along a copy of Hania Kaczanowska's poem "Polskie Chlopcy" to
my parents, and they took it to the Polish Hall today for the Remembrance
Day dinner. It was read as part of the program, and apparently everyone was
quite moved...hardly a dry eye in the house. Many asked for copies. My
mother expressed everyone's gratitude (for being recognized, understood and
cared about) to me over the phone as soon as they got home. I'm so sorry I
wasn't able to be there to witness this, but just wanted to let you all know
about this, that when we share our work, as Hania has done, the effects can
ripple out quite far. Many thanks, Hania, well done!
Wanda


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Re: POLAND & WORLD W AR II 1939 -1945

 

Dear Roman -

Spectacular! Simply superb!

Congratulations on your beautifully done and excellent site! I
particularly like the PR stamp you included in your new 1940
Supplement which says: "WE DO NOT BEG FOR FREEDOM. WE FIGHT FOR
FREEDOM."

Eve Jankowicz

--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "romed46" <romed46@y...> wrote:
Dear friends,
I just added 20 philatelic pages and 23 pages of my Wartime Diary /
Memoir/ Pamietnik to my website "POLAND AND WORLD WAR II 1939 -
1945".
You may view them on or on the
Forgotten Odyssey website under LINKS - POLAND in WORLD WAR 2 -
General - POLAND AND WORLD WAR II 1939-1945.

Roman Skulski


Zjazd Wolyniakow ?

 

Has anyone heard of former resident of Wolyn which is
to take place in Poland next year ?

I just heard scant information and was wondering
whether anyone else knows more.

Ciekaw jestem czy ktokolwiek wie cos na temat zjazdu
Wolyniakow ktory ma sie odbyc w przyszlym roku w
Polsce. Zaledwie slyszalem ze cos takiego ma sie
odbyc, ale nic dalej.


Dzieki
Andy Golebiowski
Buffalo, NY
USA

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Belonging to this group

Teresa Basinski Eckford
 

First, I'd like to add my belated sympathies to Julian on the loss of his home.
How horrible. My thoughts are with him and his family at this difficult time.

Also, I'd just like to say that though I've been very quiet (my life is rather
turbulent right now, cutting back my computer time), I have been avidly reading
this list. It's so wonderful to belong to a group of people who truly understand
my family's history. Not many people I know have any idea - I just tend not to
talk about it.

Being amongst those who have suffered similar losses has helped me understand my
late father and his family a lot better. My Babcia used to talk a little about
Siberia etc, but not much. I never knew my Dziadek as he died soon after being
released from prison in 1941.

To the leaders of this group - thank you for bringing us together and providing
a place where history remains alive. So often these days, people just want to
forget and look forward.

Once again, dziekuje bardzo.

Teresa
-----
Teresa Basinski Eckford
teresa.eckford@...


POLAND & WORLD W AR II 1939 -1945

romed46
 

Dear friends,
I just added 20 philatelic pages and 23 pages of my Wartime Diary /
Memoir/ Pamietnik to my website "POLAND AND WORLD WAR II 1939 -1945".
You may view them on or on the
Forgotten Odyssey website under LINKS - POLAND in WORLD WAR 2 -
General - POLAND AND WORLD WAR II 1939-1945.

Roman Skulski


for your freedom and ours

 

Michael. Well done . Viewed the video last night, well put together and
Henry's Sokolowski narration is very good. Some poor images, but
they are old clips or may be I need to make some adjustments to my
video. Good luck with your next project.


John Roy-Wojciechowski
Honorary Consul,Republic of Poland
51 Granger Road, Howick, Auckland, New Zealand
Phone 649 5344670 Fax 649 5354068
e-mail polish@... website www.polishheritage.co.nz


ODP: swiatowy kongres kresowian

Wladyslaw Czapski
 

look:

Pozdrawiam z Wroclawia
W.S.Czapski

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50-983 WROCLAW 14 P.O.BOX 1954
TEL/FAX/BBS:+48 (71) 3383838
mobile:+48 (601) 511109
e-mail: czapski@...
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Exchange :voice, text, fax, foto, video, e-mail, internt, SMS. .
Obizamy koszt i czas wymiany informacji 24h.
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natychmiast.
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Temat: [Kresy-Siberia] swiatowy kongres kresowian


Does anyone know how to contact Jan Skalski and
swiatowy kongres kresowian?
Dzieki,
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Re: Russian translation please

 

Hi Stefan,
Please send me the documents that you are talking about and I will try to translate.
Regards
Romuald
Virginia, USA

----- Original Message -----
From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:46 am
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Russian translation please

Hello friends

I have recently received some documents in the post from my
contact in
deepest Russia (Orenburg), Wanda, regarding the search for my
grandfather'splace of death and burial.

Could I anybody help me out with a translation from the Russian
into English
(or into Polish)? You can reply off-list to swisniowski@...
and I can
send you the scans...

Many thanks
Stefan Wisniowski



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swiatowy kongres kresowian

 

Does anyone know how to contact Jan Skalski and
swiatowy kongres kresowian?
Dzieki,
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GULAG: A HISTORY [ANNE APPLEBAUM'S WEBSITE] - URL CORRECTION

ghelon
 

Sorry Folks,

Correct URL Address is www.anneapplebaum.com

Regards - Wieslaw


GULAG: A HISTORY [ANNE APPLEBAUM'S WEBSITE]

ghelon
 

Hi everyone,

There has been a few mentions of Anne Applebaum's book GULAG. I am
waiting for my copy from the USA to arrive. Got it on EBAY for
USD$15.

She has a website with some useful links:

Regards,

Wieslaw [Queensland, Austalia]


Re: Norman Davies

 

Hello
Yes you are right. Bradford University DID have an MA in East European Studies and research dept Tom Lane was the 'Polish' expert who has now retired. The department has now been amalgamated and no longer offers this MA.
There are, or I suspect very many who are still intersted and would, given the opportunity like to pursue studies in this and other areas of Polish his and herstory.
The sad thing is as you say that any evidence is fast becoming rare, for many reasons , some which have been well discussed heer and in the film etc .
The ones who experienced it all at first hand are literally a dying breed or elderly and incapable.



Bye 4 now Hela.





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Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Norman Davies
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Re: Norman Davies

 

I'd like, if I may, to comment on the issues raised in this thread.

Here in Great Britain, when considering Polish history and
particulary the deportations of Poles by the Soviets, one needs
to view things from the British perspective.

In Britain there are very few centres of excellence specialising in
Polish history and Polish affairs.

I have not done any exhaustive research on this issue, but to the best
of my knowledge there are only several universities in Britain with
strong Polish teaching and research interests. They include: The London
School of Slavonic and Eastern European Studies, and I think the universities
of Glasgow and Stiring in Scotland and the University of Oxford. There are
no doubt a few more, but they will be a small proportion of the whole.

Norman Davies is a leading expert on Polish affairs in Britain. Relatively
speaking he is probably more familiar with the deportations than any other
expert on Polish affairs in Britain. Of course, in comparison with other
experts in Europe, he may - or may not - be that familiar with the
deportations. Nevertheless he is highly regarded in Britain (and Poland)
and is someone that it will be good to have on our side.

The suggestion to write a book on the Polish-Soviet deportations, in a
similar vein to Anne Applebaum's "Gulag" is of course an excellent one.
There are however several major obstacles to the successful completion
of such an undertaking, namely:

1. The apparent paucity of official and unoffial information on this
subject in Britain and other European nations, (and I dare say in
North America too).

2. The apparent non-existence of a British university department with
strong (or even any) research interest in this subject.

3. The lack of any official organisation in Britain with interest in
this subject.

4. The rapidly expiring first generation of deported Poles, and with them
their stories and anecdotal evidence, not to mention the loss of relics
and documents brought with them from the 2nd Polish Republic.

5. The lack of information in the old Soviet blok states, or where information
exists, the difficulty in gaining access to it and abstracting it from the
mass of non-relevant information.

6. The cost, organisation, logistics and backup in undertaking such a
project would be hugh, and would require significant backing and
financial support.

It is partly for these reasons that we are trying to secure backing from
various bodies, such as the British and Polish governments, to establish
a "Virtual Polonia" focussing (although not exclusively) on the Polish
deportations.

We need to attract government bodies, universities and second and third
generation Polonia. Having someone of the calibre of Norman Davies on
board would be a great asset. And of course, if we could secure some funding,
via a foundation of some sort, such a book, or indeed series of books, could
be attempted with almost a guarantee to succeed.

Anyway, this is my opinion.

George Neisser


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Thank you Michael,
Sounds like a growing wave of support!
Stefan Wisniowski

PS please be careful not to forward the entire digest, as it blocks up some
people's mailboxes :-)

From: "Michael Adamski" <madamski@...>
[...] asked him whether ever he intends to write a book on Soviet
deportations of people from Eastern Poland to Siberia. His answer was that
presently he did not have such a plan, but accepting our film on that
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Stefan Wisniowski<BR>
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Re: Norman Davies (George's post)

 

George,
I feel that Norman Davies is the leading Polish historian in the world today.? If he is not THE leading historian, then he is certainly one of the few leading Polish historians worldwide.? However, Norman Davies is already a well known, published author of more than one Polish history.? I seriously doubt that he needs our help with funding.? Of course, I am sure that all group members who are researching or working on one project or another would be willing to share or provide any information he requires, should he choose to write the book.?

I have not read Gulag yet, but it was my impression that this book was written about ALL deportations to Siberia and other parts of the USSR/Russia throughout history, and not only the deportations occurring during World War II, even though they reached their peak during the war.

I agree with what you are saying.? There is much work that has to be done to tell the world our story.

Eve Jesionka Jankowicz
USA??