¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

ctrl + shift + ? for shortcuts
© 2025 Groups.io
Date

Re: Soviet archives requests

 

Thank you Stefan.? I have written to Alexander.? I don't know if I have enough information for a search, but I have my fingers crossed!!? Unfortunately, the one person who is still alive, was only 6 when the family was taken, and she remembers very little.? She isn't even really sure of where she was born!

Thanks again!

Jan Birkner

========Original Message========
Subj: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Soviet archives requests
Date: 11/20/01 3:07:01 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: swisniowski@...

Reply-to: Kresy-Siberia@...

To: Kresy-Siberia@...

Sent from the Internet (Details)



Hi Jan
I believe that the critical information needed to search for a person's records are: name, names of parents (especially. father's), birthdate, and place of residence.? Ideally, dates of deportation and region deported to.? What ever you can provide will be a clue.

I suggest that you e-mail Alexander directly at
gurpolcom@..., but if you get any results please share the news with us!

Good luck,

-- Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

From: JCBSERV@...
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:31:44 EST
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] FW: Uralsk and Semipalatinsk regions


Dear Stefan,

Well, I answered your first letter, before I read this one!! I think I understand now.? Do you have to know the name of the camp your relative was sent to, to ask for a search?

Jan Birkner

========Original Message========
Subj:?? Re: [Kresy-Siberia] FW: Uralsk and Semipalatinsk regions???
Date:?? 11/14/01 10:10:13 AM Eastern Standard Time?
From:??? swisniowski@... (Stefan Wisniowski)
Reply-to: Kresy-Siberia@...

To:??? Kresy-Siberia@...
??
??


Hi Jan and group
Thanks for the recent messages.? Messages may sometimes appear out of context because members could e-mail each other privately, and then may choose to share a discussion "in progress" with the group because it becomes of broader interest.

In this case, I think that the discussion of Uralsk and Semipalatinsk labour camp records was initiated by Mark Terech, in reference to his family deported there.? Alexander heads the Polish Committee of the Memorial group in Moscow, and has helped several of us to obtain deportation and camp records and "certificates" from the old Soviet archives.

Here is a hint for members.? You can review ALL the messages ever sent to the group on our website.? There is even a search function for key terms.? So, for example, if you go to the Messages link? on our web page and search for "Uralsk", it brings up all messages with this reference.


Hope that helps!



--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia


From: JCBSERV@...
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:55:28 EST
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] FW: Uralsk and Semipalatinsk regions






Hello swisniowski@... (Stefan Wisniowski),


In reference to your comment:

¨¨ If everybody from your
¨¨ group needs the archives certificate, we are ready to
¨¨ > send the requests to the archives in these regions
¨¨ of Kazakhstan Republic > (and in the each other
¨¨ region in former USRR). But the signed letter from >
¨¨ the person interested in the certificate is necessary for
¨¨ us to do it. > Unfortunately, our experience allows to
¨¨ suppose that there is rather small > chance to get
¨¨ any desired information about repressed Poles from
¨¨ these > regions.

I must have missed something here, what certificates?? What signatures?? I don't get to read mail every day, but I also see answers to questions that I have never seen!? I am missing something somewhere!

Jan Birkner

========Original Message========
Subj:?? [Kresy-Siberia] FW: Uralsk and Semipalatinsk regions????
Date:?? 10/21/01 7:43:21 PM Eastern Standard Time???
From:??? swisniowski@... (Stefan Wisniowski)
Reply-to: Kresy-Siberia@...

To:??? Kresy-Siberia@...
???
???


Here is a message from Alexander in Moscow.
--
Stefan
----------
> From: "Alexander Gur'yanov"
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:46:29 +0400
> To: "Stefan Wisniowski"
> Subject: Re: Uralsk and Semipalatinsk regions
>
> Moscow, 22.10.2001
> Dear Stefan,
> Unfortunately, I have no information about archives sources in Uralsk and
> Semipalatinsk regions. Actually we are not planning to create database on
> repressed Poles in these regions.
> If everybody from your group needs the archives certificate, we are ready to
> send the requests to the archives in these regions of Kazakhstan Republic
> (and in the each other region in former USRR). But the signed letter from
> the person interested in the certificate is necessary for us to do it.
> Unfortunately, our experience allows to suppose that there is rather small
> chance to get any desired information about repressed Poles from these
> regions.
> With best regards - Alexander Gur'yanov
>
>
>> Hello Alexander
>> I had a question from the group whether in the future you will be doing a
>> database for the Uralsk and Semipalatinsk regions?
>> --
>> Stefan Wisniowski
>> Moderator, Kresy-Siberia




Yahoo! Groups Sponsor??
ADVERTISEMENT
??
??
??

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+?? KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP????????????????????????????????
+?? Research, Remembrance, Recognition???????????????????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? Websites:? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia?
+???????????????????????? http:/www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? Replies to this message will go directly to the full list.
+??? Send e-mails to:? Kresy-Siberia@...??
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to:
+??? Kresy-Siberia-owner@...???
+??? saying who you are and your interest in the group???
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+?? To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to:??
+?? Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@...?????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service .


----------------------- Headers --------------------------------
Return-Path:
Received: from? rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.36]) by air-yc05.mail.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINYC510-1114101013; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:10:13 -0500
Received: from? n31.groups.yahoo.com (n31.groups.yahoo.com [216.115.96.81]) by rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYC42-1114100941; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:09:41 -0500
X-eGroups-Return: sentto-3990911-246-1005750545-JCBSERV=aol.com@...
Received: from [10.1.4.54] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2001 15:09:06 -0000
X-Sender: swisniowski@...
X-Apparently-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 15:09:04 -0000
Received: (qmail 26073 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 15:09:03 -0000
Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171)
? by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 15:09:03 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO topaz.uk-dns.net) (64.46.100.8)
? by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 15:09:04 -0000
Received: from cpe-144-132-137-240.nsw.bigpond.net.au ([144.132.137.240])
??? by topaz.uk-dns.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1)
??? id 1641eN-0003Pb-00
??? for Kresy-Siberia@...; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:08:28 +0000
User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022
To:
Message-ID:
In-Reply-To: <13f.471ff99.29233720@...>
X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - topaz.uk-dns.net
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - px.com.au
From: Stefan Wisniowski
X-Yahoo-Profile: skwisniowski
MIME-Version: 1.0
Mailing-List: list Kresy-Siberia@...; contact Kresy-Siberia-owner@...
Delivered-To: mailing list Kresy-Siberia@...
Precedence: bulk
List-Unsubscribe:
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 02:08:59 +1100
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] FW: Uralsk and Semipalatinsk regions
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3088634939_468673_MIME_Part"


Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+?? KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP????????????????????????????????
+?? Research, Remembrance, Recognition???????????????????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? Websites:? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia?
+???????????????????????? http:/www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? Replies to this message will go directly to the full list.
+??? Send e-mails to:? Kresy-Siberia@...??
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to:
+??? Kresy-Siberia-owner@...???
+??? saying who you are and your interest in the group???
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+?? To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to:??
+?? Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@...?????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service .


Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
ADVERTISEMENT





+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+?? KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP????????????????????????????????
+?? Research, Remembrance, Recognition???????????????????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? Websites:?
?
+???????????????????????? http:/www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? Replies to this message will go directly to the full list.
+??? Send e-mails to:? Kresy-Siberia@...??
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to:
+??? Kresy-Siberia-owner@...???
+??? saying who you are and your interest in the group???
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+?? To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to:??
+?? Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@...?????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
.


Odp: A Forgotten Odyssey screenings

Wladyslaw Czapski
 

¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

Tu "SYBIRAK"? z Wroclawia.
Pozdrawiam.
Wladyslw Czapski

----- Wiadomo?? oryginalna -----
Wys?ano: 28 listopada 2001 19:46
Temat: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] A Forgotten Odyssey screenings

Hi Wanda, I will pass your interesting piece on the compensations to the three London based Polish newspapers, and to the Sybiracy in Poland.
As far as our film is concerned, the Canadian screenings are in the hands of Irene Tomaszewski at igtd@..., so please liaise with her if you want to know more. Regards, Jagna Wright

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+?? KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP????????????????????????????????
+?? Research, Remembrance, Recognition???????????????????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? Websites:? ?
+????????????????????????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? Replies to this message will go directly to the full list.
+??? Send e-mails to:? Kresy-Siberia@...??
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to:
+??? Kresy-Siberia-owner@...???
+??? saying who you are and your interest in the group???
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+?? To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to:??
+?? Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@...?????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .


Re: A Forgotten Odyssey screenings

 

Hi Wanda, I will pass your interesting piece on the compensations to the three London based Polish newspapers, and to the Sybiracy in Poland.
As far as our film is concerned, the Canadian screenings are in the hands of Irene Tomaszewski at igtd@..., so please liaise with her if you want to know more. Regards, Jagna Wright


Re: A Forgotten Odyssey screenings

 

What about the persons that lost everything to the Soviets including
property and places of abode

Paul




To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
cc:
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] A Forgotten Odyssey screenings
Stefan
Wisniowski
<swisniowski@
px.com.au>

28/11/01
07:46
Please
respond to
Kresy-Siberia






Forwarded from Wanda in Toronto:

From: Rwtruksa@...
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:26:23 EST

I have been involved in organizing action for the compensation form Russia
for forcible deportation and slave labour of polish people in many Russian
prisons and labour camps. The efforts for compensation from the German
government have been successful. We believe we should do the same. We are
accepting applications from anyone that was deported to
Siberia and other parts of Soviet Russia from 1939 to 1957 . We have
registered a non profit corporation under the name of "Former Polish
Political Prisoners in USSR (Canada) Inc. with the right to carry out our
business in the other parts of the world.

We are in the process of collecting applications from former prisoners or
their descendants. The main objective right now is to collect as many
applications as we can. The application should contain the name of the
person who was deported to USSR, the place of imprisonment in Russia ,
present address for contact ,signature and the date signed. This
information will be recorded and presented to the polish government, and if
need be we will engage legal experts to present the case to the
International Court in Hague. Right now we are gathering intelligence as
to
what compensation Poland received from Russia in the past. We have been
informed that Russia paid Poland $20 million US in the past and another $52
million in l990.'s If this information if true than all polish peoiple who
have been enslaved should have been compensated, not only those who
returned
to Poland after the war.

I have initiated the organization of this claim , and now we have elected
Mr
Richard Wiktor Lacish to be the president and proceed with the legal
action. The organization of Sybiracy in Florida are in support and will
be
joining our efforts. We will be appealing in near future to all former
prisoners in USSR to join and to send their application. to Former
Polish
Political Prisoners in USSR (CANADA) INC, Wanda Truksa, 451 The West
Mall,
Ste 605, Etobicoke, Ontario M9C lGl. tel: 416 621 5221 and my e mail
address is known to the Group.

I also request everyones help. What we need is the listing of polish
newspapers published in every country to advertise our action and any
achives that hold detailed records of the deportations. I think The Group
could be of great help in publicising this action, and collecting the
applications.

Well that is all for now. I hope I aroused everyones interest and it
looks to me that the Group is well qualified to help in this action. I
will let you know when I will receive the video. I would like to know what
return is expected from the showing

The president of the organization lives in Montreal, where there is a fair
group of polish people and most of them are survivors of the russian
labour
camps and prisons. I trust my message is not too long. Any more
information
I will pass along in the future

Czesc Wanda.



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP
+ Research, Remembrance, Recognition
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Websites:
+ http:/www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Replies to this message will go directly to the full list.
+ Send e-mails to: Kresy-Siberia@...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to:
+ Kresy-Siberia-owner@...
+ saying who you are and your interest in the group
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to:
+ Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to


Re: Bortkiewiecze powiat Oszmina woj. Wilno

 

Jo

Try the "Akta Zaburzanskie" Archives in Warsaw, the address is on my home
page
www.paulhavers.co.uk/archives.html


Paul


A Forgotten Odyssey screenings

Stefan Wisniowski
 

Forwarded from Wanda in Toronto:

From: Rwtruksa@...
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:26:23 EST

I have been involved in organizing action for the compensation form Russia
for forcible deportation and slave labour of polish people in many Russian
prisons and labour camps. The efforts for compensation from the German
government have been successful. We believe we should do the same. We are
accepting applications from anyone that was deported to
Siberia and other parts of Soviet Russia from 1939 to 1957 . We have
registered a non profit corporation under the name of "Former Polish
Political Prisoners in USSR (Canada) Inc. with the right to carry out our
business in the other parts of the world.

We are in the process of collecting applications from former prisoners or
their descendants. The main objective right now is to collect as many
applications as we can. The application should contain the name of the
person who was deported to USSR, the place of imprisonment in Russia ,
present address for contact ,signature and the date signed. This
information will be recorded and presented to the polish government, and if
need be we will engage legal experts to present the case to the
International Court in Hague. Right now we are gathering intelligence as to
what compensation Poland received from Russia in the past. We have been
informed that Russia paid Poland $20 million US in the past and another $52
million in l990.'s If this information if true than all polish peoiple who
have been enslaved should have been compensated, not only those who returned
to Poland after the war.

I have initiated the organization of this claim , and now we have elected Mr
Richard Wiktor Lacish to be the president and proceed with the legal
action. The organization of Sybiracy in Florida are in support and will be
joining our efforts. We will be appealing in near future to all former
prisoners in USSR to join and to send their application. to Former Polish
Political Prisoners in USSR (CANADA) INC, Wanda Truksa, 451 The West Mall,
Ste 605, Etobicoke, Ontario M9C lGl. tel: 416 621 5221 and my e mail
address is known to the Group.

I also request everyones help. What we need is the listing of polish
newspapers published in every country to advertise our action and any
achives that hold detailed records of the deportations. I think The Group
could be of great help in publicising this action, and collecting the
applications.

Well that is all for now. I hope I aroused everyones interest and it
looks to me that the Group is well qualified to help in this action. I
will let you know when I will receive the video. I would like to know what
return is expected from the showing

The president of the organization lives in Montreal, where there is a fair
group of polish people and most of them are survivors of the russian labour
camps and prisons. I trust my message is not too long. Any more information
I will pass along in the future

Czesc Wanda.


Bortkiewiecze powiat Oszmina woj. Wilno

Stefan Wisniowski
 

Hi Joe
As a followup to my last message, here is the map reference for Asmjany,
Belarus (possibly Oszmina, Poland before 1945).


=5&uid=ud7bd7ae8e93kdca:2x5rbggatn&aphoto=0&SNVData=3mad3-q.fy%284r59yt_141x
la,bb6%7c_%3d%3a%28_%3d4r59yt_141xla%28l%241w-u.wf7%3bxcx5sf7.grfe%7cs&pcat=
&zlgif.x=1

Good luck.

--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia
Sydney Australia


Bortkiewiecze powiat Oszmina woj. Wilno

Stefan Wisniowski
 

Hi Joe
Have you heard from anybody? Any progress?

I hope this gives you a clue. While I could not find the village in
Shtetlseeker (which is usually very good), I did find Asmjany about 15km
Southeast of Wilno and just inside Belarus (Belorussia). This was part of
Poland between the wars, and a good chance it was the town of the Oszmina
county you referred to. Have you tried the PolandBorderSurnames group with
this?

I don't know where the archives or records for Wilno province ended up after
the war, and whether you need to look in Vilnius, Minsk or back in Poland.

Did you contact the person in Wilno suggested by Wladyslaw?
Moj znajomy mieszka w LITWA. zygmunt@...
(from Wladyslaw Czapski)
Also, did you contact the army records office in England for the 2 Corpus,
who may have more information on your father in their records?

Good luck.

--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia
Sydney Australia

From: Joe Zelwietro <deplib@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:10:13 -0700
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] looking for my home

Dzien dobry:

My name is Joe Zelwietro (actually it's Z with a dot above it). I have
been exploring my heritage and my father's life before he settled in
Canada. I am using the Internet as a discovery tool because my father
is dead. It was especially sad, because he died before Poland had
regained her freedom in 1989, but I know he was not unique in that
respect. My father was a good man, but he was reluctant to speak of the
time between 1939 and 1942. He was one of the many who was taken
prisoner by the Soviets from Wilno area and ended up a decorated soldier
in the Polish 2nd Corps, but also a man without a country.

I want to go there and see where he is from and show my children where
their grandfather came from. While there are many things I want to know
I am joining this list with the hope that other members can help me with
two specific questions.

Is there anybody who has knows a Zelwietro, Zelwietr, Zelwetra, or
Zelwetro? (Remember that's Z with a dot)

Where is my father's village now?
He was born in Bortkiewiecze powiat Oszmina woj. Wilno
I know this area is in Lithuania now, but that's all I know.

If anybody can help I would be greatly indebted,

Dziekuje,
Joe Zelwietro

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP
+ Research, Remembrance, Recognition
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Websites:
+ www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ To Subscribe, send a blank e-mail to:
+ Kresy-Siberia-subscribe@... AND
+ a message to Kresy-Siberia-owner@...
+ saying who you are and your interest in the group
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Book..........

 

All

I'm looking for a book and so far can't find it anywhere looks like it's
out of print
If by some chance any of our listers do have it or know where I can get a
copy please, please let me know
If you have it and are willing to sell, I'd be most grateful

The book; Luna nad Trembowla


Paul


FW: Instytut Hoowera USA

Stefan Wisniowski
 

Wladyslaw reports that a copy of the Anders archives from the Hoover
Institution are now at the Warsaw "Modern" Archives (500 pages worth), but
that only 30% are accessible to the public - the rest have not yet been
"processed". Any idea why that may be?

I know that the records were all copied on microfilm last year and presented
to the Polish Government as a "homecoming" present.

--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

----------

From: "Wladyslaw Czapski" <cz@...>
Reply-To: "Wladyslaw Czapski" <cz@...>
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:21:07 +0100
To: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...>
Subject: Instytut Hoowera USA

ps. Wysylam z adresu zapasowego bo poland.com sie chwilowo zepsul.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ja 14.11.2001 bylem w Warszawie w Archiwum AKT Nowych.
Instytut Hoowera przekazal kopie swoich zbiorow "Andersa" do tego Archiwum.
W czasie wizytu udostepniono mi spis akt - okolo 500 stron. Zapewniono ze po
roku tylko pierwsze 30% akt jest dostepne ? Pozostale akta sa NIE
"opracowane". Nie rozumiem tego ?
Wladyslaw Czapski - pozdrawiam.
---------------ooo-(.)(.)-ooo----------------------------
INFO SERVICE POLAND (1981) Mr. W.S. CZAPSKI
50-983 WROCLAW 14 P.O.BOX 1954
TEL/FAX/BBS:+48 (71) 3383838
mobile:+48 (601) 511109
e-mail: biorytm@...

NEWS Virtual firm send/recieve at once 24h:
voice, text, fax, foto, video...mobile.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>-:))))))




Re: website/databasewww.aforgottenodyssey.com

 

Hi Steve I will be sending a copy of my address to showing of the
film. Can you please added to the Odyssey site
D

On 25 Nov 2001, at 11:13, Steve Roy wrote:

Hi Paul

Right now the site is being hosted on a friends system so space etc
isn't an issue. The server is parked at a server farm in Vancouver.
If it does become an issue later, I also have a server of my own which
is in a smaller bandwidth server farm. I can move the site over if
needed. The ownder of the existing server has also offered to help me
get the database started. He knows perl/cgi/php/mysql etc.

Steve


Paul Havers wrote:

Steve

This kind of a database would depend on the size of webspace you've
got a good search script in Pearl or CGI would take a whole lot of
room

Paul
------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
---------------------~--> Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill
any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink.

---------------------------------------------------------------------~
->

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP
+ Research, Remembrance, Recognition
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Websites:
+ http:/www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Replies to this message will go directly to the full list.
+ Send e-mails to: Kresy-Siberia@...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to:
+ Kresy-Siberia-owner@...
+ saying who you are and your interest in the group
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to:
+ Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to





John Roy-Wojciechowski
Honorary Consul,Republic of Poland
51 Granger Road, Howick, Auckland, New Zealand
Phone 649 5344670 Fax 649 5354068
e-mail polish@... website www.polishheritage.co.nz


Re: website/databasewww.aforgottenodyssey.com

 

Steve

Wish I had my own server, if you need any help in the database then feel free to ask

Paul


At 11:13 11/25/2001 -0800, you wrote:
Hi Paul

Right now the site is being hosted on a friends system so space etc
isn't an issue.? The server is parked at a server farm in Vancouver.? If
it does become an issue later, I also have a server of my own which is
in a smaller bandwidth server farm.? I can move the site over if
needed.? The ownder of the existing server has also offered to help me
get the database started.? He knows perl/cgi/php/mysql etc.

Steve


Paul Havers wrote:
>
> Steve
>
> This kind of a database would depend on the size of webspace you've
> got
> a good search script in Pearl or CGI would take a whole lot of room
>
> Paul
>

------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->
Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95
Refill any ink cartridge for less!
Includes black and color ink.

---------------------------------------------------------------------~->

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+?? KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP????????????????????????????????
+?? Research, Remembrance, Recognition???????????????????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? Websites:?
+???????????????????????? http:/www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? Replies to this message will go directly to the full list.
+??? Send e-mails to:? Kresy-Siberia@...??
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to:
+??? Kresy-Siberia-owner@...???
+??? saying who you are and your interest in the group???
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+?? To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to:??
+?? Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@...?????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Home page;??
Eastern Borderlands of II RP;??
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This message has been checked for all known Viruses
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Re: website/databasewww.aforgottenodyssey.com

Steve Roy
 

Hi Paul

Right now the site is being hosted on a friends system so space etc
isn't an issue. The server is parked at a server farm in Vancouver. If
it does become an issue later, I also have a server of my own which is
in a smaller bandwidth server farm. I can move the site over if
needed. The ownder of the existing server has also offered to help me
get the database started. He knows perl/cgi/php/mysql etc.

Steve


Paul Havers wrote:


Steve

This kind of a database would depend on the size of webspace you've
got
a good search script in Pearl or CGI would take a whole lot of room

Paul


Re: deportation traslation

H. MacDonald
 

¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

The "collection of statements" from Siberaki to which Stefan refers was partially documented in Jan Gross and Irena Grudzinska-Gross book, "War Throuth Children's Eyes".? Very poignant.
Helen.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] deportation traslation

Elizabeth
I have done a search through the Doctor's websites, and Sanok does not seem to appear. ?However, it is possible that there is a write-up on it in the Hoover Institution, Anders Archives, which had a collection of statements from the Siberia deportation survivors on what happened in each powiat (county).
--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

From: Schuddy100@...
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:40:39 EST
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] deportation traslation


I also am ?appealing to any one who can find the town of SANOK in any off the kind Doctors work , I have read that with in the first week of the German occupation some 200 of the towns leading Jews were sent over the San river to the Russian occupied area but I cannot find any thing else. The name SCHUDMAK is not listed in the Holocaust. ???
Await further developments
regards ELIZABETH

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

mon_finalURL = "http://rd.yahoo.com/M=206662.1741171.3261161.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705444571:HM/A=862061/R=0/*http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;3097331;6589782;w?http://www.orbitz.com/?referralcode%s"; var mon_flashFileURL = "http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/1-/flash/orbitz/425x320_orbitz_1113.swf"; var mon_noFlashImg = "http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/1-/flash/orbitz/425x320_orbitz_1113.gif"; function makeNewWindow(url) { var newWindow = window.open(url); }


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ ??KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP ????????????????????????????????
+ ??Research, Remembrance, Recognition ???????????????????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ ???Websites: ?http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia ?
+ ????????????????????????http:/www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ ???Replies to this message will go directly to the full list.
+ ???Send e-mails to: ?Kresy-Siberia@... ??
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ ???To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to:
+ ???Kresy-Siberia-owner@... ???
+ ???saying who you are and your interest in the group ???
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ ??To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: ??
+ ??Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@... ?????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service .



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+?? KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP????????????????????????????????
+?? Research, Remembrance, Recognition???????????????????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? Websites:? ?
+???????????????????????? http:/www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? Replies to this message will go directly to the full list.
+??? Send e-mails to:? Kresy-Siberia@...??
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to:
+??? Kresy-Siberia-owner@...???
+??? saying who you are and your interest in the group???
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+?? To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to:??
+?? Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@...?????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .


Re: Stolen Childhood : A Saga of Polish War Children

H. MacDonald
 

It's an excellent book and I am delighted to see it again available! Worth
having and sharing with parents. Written by Fr. Lucjan Krolikowski from his
personal perspective. includes photographic images. Some gaps and errors
that are easily corrected with access to accurate archival documents which
were not accessed for the book. As a researcher, i found the book to be
most useful.
Helen.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...>
To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 8:55 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Stolen Childhood : A Saga of Polish War Children


I have come across the following book on Amazon, and thought it may be of
interest to the group. here is the web reference:


sr_8_5_1/107-5920966-9472545

--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia


Stolen Childhood : A Saga of Polish War Children
by Lucjan Krolikowski, Kazimierz J. Rozniatowski (Translator), Jan Mazur

List Price: $21.95

Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours
Only 1 left in stock--order soon (more on the way).

Paperback - 348 pages (February 2001)
iUniverse.com; ISBN: 0595168639 ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.84 x 9.04 x
6.03

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Editorial Reviews
Book Description

The post-WWII adventures of 150 Polish children deported to Russian and
ultimately rescued by a Franciscan priest who was branded a kidnapper by a
Communist government.

Stolen Childhood is the story of what happened to some 380,000 Polish
children who, with their families, were rounded up by Stalin's orders in
1939 and deported into Asiatic Russia. Lucjan Krolikowski, a young
seminarian also deported there, shared and witnessed the suffering of his
fellow Poles.

Freed by an "amnesty," he joined the Polish Army, and when it moved to the
Middle East, Lucjan resumed his theology studies, pronounced his vows, and
became a chaplain to a Polish military hospital in Egypt. Reassigned to
refugee camps in East Africa, Fr. Lucjan and the wandering Polish children
met again in 1947--a meeting that began a long and loving relationship.

In 1949 when the Warsaw Communists claimed guardianship of the Polish
orphans in Africa and demanded their repatriation, Fr. Lucjan was forced
into a world of international intrigue. Called by the Communists "a
kidnapper on an international scale," to his orphans he was the Good
Shepherd who led them to Canada, where he helped his charges overcome the
theft of their childhood and become secure adults in a new world. Stolen
Childhood is the book of memories he wrote for them, and a cautionary
history for people of good will.

------------------------------------------------------------------------



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP
+ Research, Remembrance, Recognition
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Websites:
+ http:/www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Replies to this message will go directly to the full list.
+ Send e-mails to: Kresy-Siberia@...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to:
+ Kresy-Siberia-owner@...
+ saying who you are and your interest in the group
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to:
+ Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to



Re: From Linder Stachnik in England

H. MacDonald
 

If you look at an atlas of Russian resources, you will find there are many
salt mines, including, especially in the far east/s.east. Many Poles
'worked' in the south-central asian salt mines. Some also in the n/east.
At any university library you should be able to locate any of Martin
Gilbert's very good atlases on variations of Russian/Soviet landscape,
resources, transportation routes, etc.
Helen.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Linder Ladbrooke" <linder@...>
To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 10:49 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] From Linder Stachnik in England


Dear Colleagues,

Can someone put me right? I am a little confused about the place that my
father was imprisoned during the war. According to his Polish Army
Records,
'he was deported to within the former USSR in 1940 [exact date and place
unknown]'. Family stories tell of 'Siberia Salt Mines', but as he came
from
Lwow and was captured there, I begin to wonder! WERE there any Salt Mines
in
Siberia? There was some Salt Mines near Krakow, I'm told. Could he have
been
captured at Lwow, sent to a Krakow Mine/Labour camp, then be released to
join the Polish Army being organised at that time? Family stories just
don't add up, so I'm trying to take out 'supposition'
and re-think the whole thing.
Appreciate any guidance from you all.

Thanks

Linder



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP
+ Research, Remembrance, Recognition
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Websites:
+ http:/www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Replies to this message will go directly to the full list.
+ Send e-mails to: Kresy-Siberia@...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to:
+ Kresy-Siberia-owner@...
+ saying who you are and your interest in the group
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to:
+ Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to


Re: deportation traslation

Stefan Wisniowski
 

Elizabeth
I have done a search through the Doctor's websites, and Sanok does not seem to appear. ?However, it is possible that there is a write-up on it in the Hoover Institution, Anders Archives, which had a collection of statements from the Siberia deportation survivors on what happened in each powiat (county).
--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

From: Schuddy100@...
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:40:39 EST
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] deportation traslation


I also am ?appealing to any one who can find the town of SANOK in any off the kind Doctors work , I have read that with in the first week of the German occupation some 200 of the towns leading Jews were sent over the San river to the Russian occupied area but I cannot find any thing else. The name SCHUDMAK is not listed in the Holocaust. ???
Await further developments
regards ELIZABETH

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

mon_finalURL = "http://rd.yahoo.com/M=206662.1741171.3261161.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705444571:HM/A=862061/R=0/*http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;3097331;6589782;w?http://www.orbitz.com/?referralcode%s"; var mon_flashFileURL = "http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/1-/flash/orbitz/425x320_orbitz_1113.swf"; var mon_noFlashImg = "http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/1-/flash/orbitz/425x320_orbitz_1113.gif"; function makeNewWindow(url) { var newWindow = window.open(url); }


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ ??KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP ????????????????????????????????
+ ??Research, Remembrance, Recognition ???????????????????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ ???Websites: ?http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia ?
+ ????????????????????????http:/www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ ???Replies to this message will go directly to the full list.
+ ???Send e-mails to: ?Kresy-Siberia@... ??
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ ???To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to:
+ ???Kresy-Siberia-owner@... ???
+ ???saying who you are and your interest in the group ???
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ ??To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: ??
+ ??Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@... ?????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service .


Stolen Childhood : A Saga of Polish War Children

Stefan Wisniowski
 

I have come across the following book on Amazon, and thought it may be of
interest to the group. here is the web reference:


sr_8_5_1/107-5920966-9472545

--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia


Stolen Childhood : A Saga of Polish War Children
by Lucjan Krolikowski, Kazimierz J. Rozniatowski (Translator), Jan Mazur

List Price: $21.95

Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours
Only 1 left in stock--order soon (more on the way).

Paperback - 348 pages (February 2001)
iUniverse.com; ISBN: 0595168639 ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.84 x 9.04 x 6.03

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Editorial Reviews
Book Description

The post-WWII adventures of 150 Polish children deported to Russian and
ultimately rescued by a Franciscan priest who was branded a kidnapper by a
Communist government.

Stolen Childhood is the story of what happened to some 380,000 Polish
children who, with their families, were rounded up by Stalin's orders in
1939 and deported into Asiatic Russia. Lucjan Krolikowski, a young
seminarian also deported there, shared and witnessed the suffering of his
fellow Poles.

Freed by an "amnesty," he joined the Polish Army, and when it moved to the
Middle East, Lucjan resumed his theology studies, pronounced his vows, and
became a chaplain to a Polish military hospital in Egypt. Reassigned to
refugee camps in East Africa, Fr. Lucjan and the wandering Polish children
met again in 1947--a meeting that began a long and loving relationship.

In 1949 when the Warsaw Communists claimed guardianship of the Polish
orphans in Africa and demanded their repatriation, Fr. Lucjan was forced
into a world of international intrigue. Called by the Communists "a
kidnapper on an international scale," to his orphans he was the Good
Shepherd who led them to Canada, where he helped his charges overcome the
theft of their childhood and become secure adults in a new world. Stolen
Childhood is the book of memories he wrote for them, and a cautionary
history for people of good will.

------------------------------------------------------------------------


Re: From Linder Stachnik in England

 

Linder

Krakow at that time was in the hands of the German Army, so if your father was captured by the Soviets it's most unlikely
that they would deport him to Krakow. There is the possibility that he was handed over to the Germans and then sent to Krakow
but that would be highly unlikely as he wound up in Siberia.? As far as I can tell Germans didn't deport to those parts .
It had to be the Soviets but as to the Salt Mines I can't answer that question

Paul


At 15:49 11/24/2001 +0000, you wrote:
Dear Colleagues,

Can someone put me right? I am a little confused about the place that my
father was imprisoned during the war. According to his Polish Army Records,
'he was deported to within the former USSR in 1940 [exact date and place
unknown]'. Family stories tell of 'Siberia Salt Mines', but as he came from
Lwow and was captured there, I begin to wonder! WERE there any Salt Mines in
Siberia? There was some Salt Mines near Krakow, I'm told. Could he have been
captured at Lwow, sent to a Krakow Mine/Labour camp, then be released to
join the? Polish Army being organised at that time? Family stories just
don't add up, so I'm trying to take out 'supposition'
and re-think the whole thing.
Appreciate any guidance from you all.

Thanks

Linder


------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->
Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95
Refill any ink cartridge for less!
Includes black and color ink.

---------------------------------------------------------------------~->

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+?? KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP????????????????????????????????
+?? Research, Remembrance, Recognition???????????????????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? Websites:?
+???????????????????????? http:/www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? Replies to this message will go directly to the full list.
+??? Send e-mails to:? Kresy-Siberia@...??
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to:
+??? Kresy-Siberia-owner@...???
+??? saying who you are and your interest in the group???
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+?? To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to:??
+?? Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@...?????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Home page;??
Eastern Borderlands of II RP;??
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This message has been checked for all known Viruses
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Re: website/database www.aforgottenodyssey.com

 

Steve

This kind of a database would depend on the size of webspace you've got
a good search script in Pearl or CGI would take a whole lot of room

Paul

At 02:48 11/25/2001 +0000, you wrote:
Hi Steve,
Thank you for your generous offer and thanks to Barbara for her
suggestion. Would it be at all possible to be able to, say, type in a
town name and then have information about that town - some ideas
would be history, number of people deported, where they were deported
to, etc, as well as photo links)? Also, a database with all the names
of the camps with corresponding info could be a useful link, as would
the different associations throughout the world related to our
cause/subject.
Not being a technical wizard it always amazes me how this sort of
thing appears on our screens and I will be truly in awe of anything
that is created.
Don't know if it's at all feasible given my location, but I am happy
to edit/proofread any info before it goes to that great satellite in
the sky. Again, not being a Polish speaker/reader I am at a
disadvantage where it comes to collating information but if I can at
all help, this is where my expertise lies.
Grace





------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->
Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95
Refill any ink cartridge for less!
Includes black and color ink.

---------------------------------------------------------------------~->

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+?? KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP????????????????????????????????
+?? Research, Remembrance, Recognition???????????????????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? Websites:?
+???????????????????????? http:/www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? Replies to this message will go directly to the full list.
+??? Send e-mails to:? Kresy-Siberia@...??
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+??? To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to:
+??? Kresy-Siberia-owner@...???
+??? saying who you are and your interest in the group???
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+?? To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to:??
+?? Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@...?????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Home page;??
Eastern Borderlands of II RP;??
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This message has been checked for all known Viruses
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~