Re: Forgotten soldiers of 2nd Polish Corps?
Hi!
?
I'm
also trying to obtain a copy of my father's birth certificate. He was born in
what was former Poland, now Ukraine in 1920.
?
Have
you tried writing to A.G.A.D. - ? Archiwum Glowne Akt Dawnych, 00-263,
Warszawa, Poland.? This is the central Archives office.?I wrote to
them in English, but?I?then received a?letter from
the?Polish Consulate in London,?apparently you?MUST?write
your request?in Polish and there are fees. e.g.$30 initial payment, $15 for
each hour of archive search and $15 for each copy of a document. They?also
gave me the address of the British Consulate in Wraszawa, who they believed
could be helpful; Konsulat Brytyjski, ul. Emilii Plater 28, 00-688 Warszawa,
Poland.?? Tel. 0048 22 6253030 or 6253032, fax; 0048 22
6253472.
?
I
posted a letter to AGAD today with my request in poor Polish. I'll let you know
what the result is. I may have to try the British Consulate.
?
Regards and Good Luck, Ken Fedzin.
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Perhaps you can give me some advise? I'm trying
to get a copy of my dad's Birth Cert. I know all the details, but the church
records fr that year we're destroyed in the War. The Civil local office near
his village won't send them, I have to go in person. There must be a 'central'
place I must write to for. Althogh it is now Ukraine, it was Poland in
1914
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Re: Looking for... Danilczyk
OK Hela
Do you know how to get a copy of the report from the Hoover that your father
wrote on his experiences when the Soviets invaded?
Stefan Wisniowski
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From: "Helena Danielczuk" <helena52@...>
Yes Thank you I think that Stefan is my father he was as was his fmily a
forester and he was from Kosow
Bye 4 now Hela.
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Re: Looking for... Danilczyk
Yes Thank you I think that Stefan is my father he was as was his fmily a forester and hewas from Kosow Bye 4 now Hela. From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
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Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Looking for... Danilczyk
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 22:13:28 +1100
Helena,
The Hoover Institution, on the grounds of the Stanford University campus,
archives the Polish "Ministerstwo Informacji i Dokumentacji" (MID)
collection. This introduction to the collection by Maciej Siekierski
describes the origin of these records:
"The MID was the main information and propaganda unit of the Polish
Government in Exile. One of its units, the Research Section headed by Wiktor
Sukiennicki was assigned the task of systematically reviewing and
summarizing the testimonies of former Polish prisoners and deportees to
Soviet Russia with a view to document the entry of the Red Army into Poland,
the first weeks of Soviet occupation, the October 1939 elections, and the
consequent sovietization of the occupied territories. Thousands of original
Soviet camp release certificates, statements of survivors and detailed
summaries of Soviet occupation compiled by the Research Section for every
county of eastern Poland, make up about forty percent of the volume of the
Ministrys collection."
The nearly 13,500 certificates archived in the Hoover were issued by the
NKVD after the Polish-Soviet agreement of July 1941, releasing Polish
deportees from forced labor camps and other places of detention. They were
turned in to the Polish authorities when the arrived at their posts.
There are also nearly 12,000 questionnaires ("ankiety"), statements and
depositions of Polish deportees (as well as of some Polish prisoners of war)
collected by the Bureau of Documents of the Polish Armed Forces (Referat
Historyczny Polskich Sil Zbrojnych) after evacuation to the Middle East.
Regarding your family, there is a report from a Stefan Danilczyk, a forester
from Kosw Poleski (woj. Polesie). Also there are release certificates from
a Bronislaw Danilczuk or Danilczyk (son of Wasil) born in 1912 in Ladzkie
Szlacheckie, (woj. Stanislawowskie) and a Wiktor Danilczuk, (son of Feliks)
born in 1920 in Sverdlovsk.
Any relations?
Stefan Wisniowski
From: "Helena Danielczuk" <helena52@...>
What is an amnesty certificate? My father goes under the name Danielczuk
but I believe the name might be Danilczyk
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Hi,
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Only passed on what our own postlady told me, but I understand
it's going to be over now?
Linder.
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This is not entirely true.? There is post in and out of the
UK!? There are?some post boxes sealed in the London area and
some business mail is affected?BUT there are talks on at the moment
to try to reach a satisfactory conclusion.? It?DOES NOT take 4
- 6 weeks to clear backlogs.? Please try to keep a sense of
proportion about this, thanks.? There is no need not to?send
mail to the MOD.
?
Thanks
?
Vanessa?
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the UK Minsitry of Defense.
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From:
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URGENT MESSAGE TO
GO ON K-S PLEASE
NO POST MOVING IN UK, because of 'union strike'
about wages. Post collection boxes sealed by Post Office for the first
time in 20 years. Nothing out of/into UK - don't send anything, don't
expect any replies group!
Usually, 4-6 weeks to clear backlog when
over, but we just don't know about this time. Christmas coming too!
Still, on the bright side, we needn't buy Xmas card stamps..
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Re: Name:Wosko;Dziadura Location:Niedzwiada
Joy,
I recently had success working only with my
grandfather's army book.? I looked up the last name in the Polish phone
book at ?searching
in the area near?my grandfather's?place of birth - mine happened to be
Niezdow nr. Krakow.? I then sent letters to all of the addresses I found -
7 of them.? One of these people knew someone with the same last name living
in Krakow, who as it turns out, was my mum's first cousin.? Until then we
knew nothing about my grandfather's side of the family.
It would seem that people move a lot less in Poland
than we do and are?sometimes still near the old "homestead"? Your
chances are higher in an area like Krakow where there were fewer relocations of
families after the war.? It's worth a try if you think you might have some
family still in Poland.
Barb Kwietniowski
Courtice, Ontario, Canada
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Name:Wosko;Dziadura Location:Niedzwiada
Hello,
?
I have found this group to be such a wonderful,
supportive source! I so look forward to reading everyone's
emails.
?
I have recently uncovered some of my father's
records.
?
I understand I should contact the ministry for
definitives, but is there anything I can learn from reading these? I have his
army card - can I identify which branch he was in?
?
I also have his marriage certificate. I can not
read all- but :Niedawrade- Krakow.
Are there any other clues I can look for on these
documents?
I also have a copy of someone's birth certificate
other than my father's - I think his sister's daughter.?Perhaps the name
on here can help some others?Dziadura, Maria 9/15/49
Our last name is Wosko.
?
Joy Wosko-Peppelman
USA
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Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 11:38
AM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Forgotten
soldiers of 2nd Polish Corps?
Hi yourself. Glad you've a start on your
searches. Two wonderfully helpful ladies work there [Margaret and Barbara].
If you explain, they'll go through their name-lists, they both speak Eng and
Polish.
?
Where in Poland are you? Your English is better
than mine, and I was born here!
?
Perhaps you can give me some advise? I'm trying
to get a copy of my dad's Birth Cert. I know all the details, but the church
records fr that year we're destroyed in the War. The Civil local office near
his village won't send them, I have to go in person. There must be a
'central' place I must write to for. Althogh it is now Ukraine, it was
Poland in 1914
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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003
10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia]
Forgotten soldiers of 2nd Polish Corps?
Hi Linder!
I don't live in UK but in Poland. I had some problems?to contact
with MOD but one of our K-S members sent their new address and I think it
woun't be a problem this time. I know I have to send my request in special
form and I have to prove my kinship. All is understandable. I have only
one problem. Nobody in my family knows when my grandfather was really
born- he was changing his birthday date to avoid compulsory service in
Wehrmacht, and he changed it during the WWII few times, too. I wander if
he was sure for himself when was his real birthday? I hope MOD won't
reject my request when I'll write? different date from that one in
their record.
?
Cheers!
Gabriel
ladbrooke
wrote:
Hi,
I'm Linder, from the K-S Group. Have you
managed to contact? MOD in UK yet? I've just come back from holiday
and seen you're posting. If you're stuck, let me know and I'll givre you
some tips. Are you in UK?
Linder
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1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia]
Forgotten soldiers of 2nd Polish Corps?
Gabriel
One day, the MOD may decide to go
online. ?For now, to contact them you should phone them first.
?See details at
Let
us know what you find out!
Stefan Wisniowski
From: Razel <razelsmith@...>
Of
course, my grandfather was in Anders Army. ?[...] What is
standard procedure in this matter?
Pozdrawiam!
Gabriel
Damaszk
Katowice,
Polska
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Re: Name:Wosko;Dziadura Location:Niedzwiada
Dear Stefan;
I will scan the documents and transmit -- thank
you!
Joy
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Name:Wosko;Dziadura Location:Niedzwiada
Joy
The MOD will give you information on your father's army
record, as well as prior to that and also family information.
Why don't
you send us a scan of the documents and we can give you some
feedback.
Stefan WIsniowski
From: "Robert ?Peppelman" <bobandjoy@...>
I understand I should contact the ministry for definitives, but is
there anything I can learn from reading these? I have his army card - can I
identify which branch he was in?
I also have his
marriage certificate. I can not read all- but :Niedawrade- Krakow.
Are
there any other clues I can look for on these documents?
I also have a
copy of someone's birth certificate other than my father's - I think his
sister's daughter. Perhaps the name on here can help some others?Dziadura,
Maria 9/15/49
Our last name is Wosko.
Joy
Wosko-Peppelman
USA
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Re: Name:Wosko;Dziadura Location:Niedzwiada
Joy
The MOD will give you information on your father's army record, as well as prior to that and also family information.
Why don't you send us a scan of the documents and we can give you some feedback.
Stefan WIsniowski
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From: "Robert ?Peppelman"
I understand I should contact the ministry for definitives, but is there anything I can learn from reading these? I have his army card - can I identify which branch he was in?
I also have his marriage certificate. I can not read all- but :Niedawrade- Krakow.
Are there any other clues I can look for on these documents?
I also have a copy of someone's birth certificate other than my father's - I think his sister's daughter. Perhaps the name on here can help some others?Dziadura, Maria 9/15/49
Our last name is Wosko.
Joy Wosko-Peppelman
USA
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Julian Plowy and the California fires
Mark Kusiewicz has passed on the word that group member Julian Plowy has
lost his home in the fires of San Bernardino, California. Julian has done
so much to further our common cause, and our thoughts and prayers go out to
him and his family at this trying time.
Regards
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Please welcome Jalaine Madura to the group.
Jalaine, thanks for the feedback. ?The website has been a group effort, and is especially a credit to our consecutive webmasters Steve Roy, Halina Szulakowska and Ron Bereznicki.
You can spot Wolpa on the map in Belarus at the following link (spelled VOUPA now).
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=decimal&latitude=53.3667&longitude=24.3667
Also look at http://www.belarusguide.com/cities/cities-voupa.html and http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/volpa/volpa-main.html
This will give you a start on where it is and surrounding towns and centres. ?If you need more info, let me know.
Regards
Stefan Wisniowski
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From: "Jalaine Madura"
Dear Mr. Wisniowski:
The Forgotten Odyssey web site is excellent! ?I have only started studying it but am very impressed with how well it is put together and how comprehensive it is. This is very important for bringing the tragedy of this time into the public eye.
As I begin my research, may I ask one question: ?my grandparents' family was from Wolpa and I have located the jpg image in the album, but I am having difficulty determining the right province or geographic subdistrict for further research. ?Could you help, or direct me to the right place to ask?
Many thanks, and thank you again for this website and the great care you and others have obviously taken in preparing it.
Jalaine Madura
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This is not entirely true.? There is post in and out of the UK!? There are?some post boxes sealed in the London area and some business mail is affected?BUT there are talks on at the moment to try to reach a satisfactory conclusion.? It?DOES NOT take 4 - 6 weeks to clear backlogs.? Please try to keep a sense of proportion about this, thanks.? There is no need not to?send mail to the MOD.
?
Thanks
?
Vanessa?
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Date: 01 November 2003 11:14:15
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] British Post delays
? Linder sends this update in reference to requests to the UK Minsitry of Defense. ---------- From: "ladbrooke" URGENT MESSAGE TO GO ON K-S PLEASE NO POST MOVING IN UK, because of 'union strike' about wages. Post collection boxes sealed by Post Office for the first time in 20 years. Nothing out of/into UK - don't send anything, don't expect any replies group! Usually, 4-6 weeks to clear backlog when over, but we just don't know about this time. Christmas coming too! Still, on the bright side, we needn't buy Xmas card stamps..
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Re: Name:Wosko;Dziadura Location:Niedzwiada
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Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Name:Wosko;Dziadura Location:Niedzwiada
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 12:17:15 -0500
Hello,
I have found this group to be such a wonderful, supportive source! I so look forward to reading everyone's emails.
I have recently uncovered some of my father's records.
I understand I should contact the ministry for definitives, but is there anything I can learn from reading these? I have his army card - can I identify which branch he was in?
I also have his marriage certificate. I can not read all- but :Niedawrade- Krakow.
Are there any other clues I can look for on these documents?
I also have a copy of someone's birth certificate other than my father's - I think his sister's daughter. Perhaps the name on here can help some others?Dziadura, Maria 9/15/49
Our last name is Wosko.
Joy Wosko-Peppelman
USA
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From: ladbrooke
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Forgotten soldiers of 2nd Polish Corps?
Hi yourself. Glad you've a start on your searches. Two wonderfully helpful ladies work there [Margaret and Barbara]. If you explain, they'll go through their name-lists, they both speak Eng and Polish.
Where in Poland are you? Your English is better than mine, and I was born here!
Perhaps you can give me some advise? I'm trying to get a copy of my dad's Birth Cert. I know all the details, but the church records fr that year we're destroyed in the War. The Civil local office near his village won't send them, I have to go in person. There must be a 'central' place I must write to for. Althogh it is now Ukraine, it was Poland in 1914
----- Original Message -----
From: Razel
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Forgotten soldiers of 2nd Polish Corps?
Hi Linder!
I don't live in UK but in Poland. I had some problems to contact with MOD but one of our K-S members sent their new address and I think it woun't be a problem this time. I know I have to send my request in special form and I have to prove my kinship. All is understandable. I have only one problem. Nobody in my family knows when my grandfather was really born- he was changing his birthday date to avoid compulsory service in Wehrmacht, and he changed it during the WWII few times, too. I wander if he was sure for himself when was his real birthday? I hope MOD won't reject my request when I'll write different date from that one in their record.
Cheers!
Gabriel
ladbrooke <ladbrooke@...> wrote:
Hi,
I'm Linder, from the K-S Group. Have you managed to contact MOD in UK yet? I've just come back from holiday and seen you're posting. If you're stuck, let me know and I'll givre you some tips. Are you in UK?
Linder
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From: Stefan Wisniowski
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Forgotten soldiers of 2nd Polish Corps?
Gabriel
One day, the MOD may decide to go online. For now, to contact them you should phone them first. See details at
Let us know what you find out!
Stefan Wisniowski
From: Razel <razelsmith@...>
Of course, my grandfather was in Anders Army. [...] What is standard procedure in this matter?
Pozdrawiam!
Gabriel Damaszk
Katowice, Polska
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Name:Wosko;Dziadura Location:Niedzwiada
Hello,
?
I have found this group to be such a wonderful,
supportive source! I so look forward to reading everyone's emails.
?
I have recently uncovered some of my father's
records.
?
I understand I should contact the ministry for
definitives, but is there anything I can learn from reading these? I have his
army card - can I identify which branch he was in?
?
I also have his marriage certificate. I can not
read all- but :Niedawrade- Krakow.
Are there any other clues I can look for on these
documents?
I also have a copy of someone's birth certificate
other than my father's - I think his sister's daughter.?Perhaps the name on
here can help some others?Dziadura, Maria 9/15/49
Our last name is Wosko.
?
Joy Wosko-Peppelman
USA
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soldiers of 2nd Polish Corps?
Hi yourself. Glad you've a start on your
searches. Two wonderfully helpful ladies work there [Margaret and Barbara]. If
you explain, they'll go through their name-lists, they both speak Eng and
Polish.
?
Where in Poland are you? Your English is better
than mine, and I was born here!
?
Perhaps you can give me some advise? I'm trying
to get a copy of my dad's Birth Cert. I know all the details, but the church
records fr that year we're destroyed in the War. The Civil local office near
his village won't send them, I have to go in person. There must be a 'central'
place I must write to for. Althogh it is now Ukraine, it was Poland in
1914
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soldiers of 2nd Polish Corps?
Hi Linder!
I don't live in UK but in Poland. I had some problems?to contact
with MOD but one of our K-S members sent their new address and I think it
woun't be a problem this time. I know I have to send my request in special
form and I have to prove my kinship. All is understandable. I have only one
problem. Nobody in my family knows when my grandfather was really born- he
was changing his birthday date to avoid compulsory service in Wehrmacht, and
he changed it during the WWII few times, too. I wander if he was sure for
himself when was his real birthday? I hope MOD won't reject my request when
I'll write? different date from that one in their record.
?
Cheers!
Gabriel
ladbrooke
wrote:
Hi,
I'm Linder, from the K-S Group. Have you
managed to contact? MOD in UK yet? I've just come back from holiday
and seen you're posting. If you're stuck, let me know and I'll givre you
some tips. Are you in UK?
Linder
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1:53 PM
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Forgotten soldiers of 2nd Polish Corps?
Gabriel
One day, the MOD may decide to go online.
?For now, to contact them you should phone them first. ?See
details at
Let
us know what you find out!
Stefan Wisniowski
From: Razel <razelsmith@...>
Of
course, my grandfather was in Anders Army. ?[...] What is
standard procedure in this matter?
Pozdrawiam!
Gabriel
Damaszk
Katowice,
Polska
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Re: Welcome Mary Skinner - film on WW2 stories of Polish women
Mary,
A good book from a woman's perspective is "Just Say a Hail Mary" The story
of Maria and Jedrzej Giertych by Barbara O'Driscoll ISBN 0953515400
Published by the author
175 Carlingford Road
London N.15 3ET
The author describes life before the war, survival during the war and
relocation afterwards in England. Much of this concerns itself with Maria's
experiences as she cared for the children and elderly women she was left
alone with, and her concern for the survival of various family members(over
600 pages)
Barb Kwietniowski
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...> To: <Kresy-Siberia@...> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 3:50 AM Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Welcome Mary Skinner - film on WW2 stories of Polish women Please welcome Mary Skinner to the group. Mary, you should visit the
Personal Testimonies section of our discussion website at
Also, the paper there on Gendered Poles by LIsa Blenkinsop should be
instructive.
Any other suggestions from members for Mary's film?
Regards
Stefan Wisniowski
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From: "Mary Skinner" <nycskinner@...>
Greetings Stefan!
My name is Mary Skinner and I live in New York City. I am currently doing research on the experience of the Poles during World War II for a
documentary film. The objective of the film is to look at the
historical events of the war within the context of personal stories of Polish women
who survived the loss of their families, the German and Russian invasions,
Occupation, deportation to labor and concentration camps in Germany and
Russia, and later displacement and denial during the Cold War years. I
am looking for personal accounts, photos and documents that tell the story
of life before, during and after the war for these women, many of whom were
still children when the war began. I would like to be able to feature
stories like those of my mother who lost her family in Warsaw and was
sent to a German labor camp as well as those of women who were deported and
imprisoned by the Russians. I am grateful for the wealth of information
here and any other advice and guidance the group may wish to offer, as
well as referrals to any individuals who might feel comfortable being
interviewed for the film.
Kind regards,
Mary Skinner
New York City
nycskinner@...
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Irene,
The LDS library has fairly complete Catholic Church records for
Zdzieciol and surrounding villages for 1866 to 1890. These are found
in the Slonim deanery. The marriage records are especially valuable,
since they often give the parents of the bride and groom. If you would
like the film numbers, let me know. The records are in handwritten
Russian, unfortunately, including family names. My heart sank when I
saw the first saw them. They looked like a child's drawing of the
ocean. But you can work around that and even translate a bit, including
most family names, some villages, and dates, using an alphabet guide to
19th Century Russian and a Langenscheidt pocket Russian dictionary.
The indexes are incomplete, but the format for the records makes it
easy to scan family names quickly, once you know what the family and
village names look like in the Russian alphabet. These records were a
goldmine for me for 100+ relatives, and 2-3 generations of two extended
families.
Excellent photos are available, courtesy of Tomek Wisniewski, at .
Excellent inexpensive maps from the 1930s are available from the
Library of Congress.
Slownik Geograficzny Krolestwa Polskiego has entries, in Polish,
for Zdzieciol and surrounding villages from the late 19th Century.
Also, Skorowidz Miejscowosci Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej has
aggregated census data, in Polish and without individual names, from
the early 1920s. It breaks down population data by religion,
ethnicity, and village. Both of these sources are available from the
LDS Library. The latter is easy to decipher with a Polish dictionary,
while the former is tough for those not fluent in Polish. A guide is
available, however, from the Polish Genealogical Society of America ( ).
Hope this helps,
Tom Sajwaj
Irene Tomaszewski wrote:
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Irene
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Irene,
Are you still looking for info on Zdzieciol located in
Grodno/Nowogrodek provinces?
Tom Sajwaj
Irene Tomaszewski wrote:
Does anyone have photos or
other info on Zdzienciol (not sure of spelling). I believe it is quite
close to Grodno.
Irene Tomaszewski
Montreal
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Re: Forgotten soldiers of 2nd Polish Corps?
Hi yourself. Glad you've a start on your searches.
Two wonderfully helpful ladies work there [Margaret and Barbara]. If you
explain, they'll go through their name-lists, they both speak Eng and Polish.
?
Where in Poland are you? Your English is better
than mine, and I was born here!
?
Perhaps you can give me some advise? I'm trying to
get a copy of my dad's Birth Cert. I know all the details, but the church
records fr that year we're destroyed in the War. The Civil local office near his
village won't send them, I have to go in person. There must be a 'central' place
I must write to for. Althogh it is now Ukraine, it was Poland in
1914
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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:04
AM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Forgotten
soldiers of 2nd Polish Corps?
Hi Linder!
I don't live in UK but in Poland. I had some problems?to contact
with MOD but one of our K-S members sent their new address and I think it
woun't be a problem this time. I know I have to send my request in special
form and I have to prove my kinship. All is understandable. I have only one
problem. Nobody in my family knows when my grandfather was really born- he was
changing his birthday date to avoid compulsory service in Wehrmacht, and he
changed it during the WWII few times, too. I wander if he was sure for himself
when was his real birthday? I hope MOD won't reject my request when I'll
write? different date from that one in their record.
?
Cheers!
Gabriel
ladbrooke
wrote:
Hi,
I'm Linder, from the K-S Group. Have you
managed to contact? MOD in UK yet? I've just come back from holiday and
seen you're posting. If you're stuck, let me know and I'll givre you some
tips. Are you in UK?
Linder
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:53
PM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia]
Forgotten soldiers of 2nd Polish Corps?
Gabriel
One day, the MOD may decide to go online.
?For now, to contact them you should phone them first. ?See
details at
Let
us know what you find out!
Stefan Wisniowski
From: Razel <razelsmith@...>
Of
course, my grandfather was in Anders Army. ?[...] What is standard
procedure in this matter?
Pozdrawiam!
Gabriel
Damaszk
Katowice,
Polska
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Re: Welcome Mary Skinner - film on WW2 stories of Polish women
Hi Mary,
The book you are interested is Goodbye Tomorrow. It is a wealth of knowledge you will be interested. Let me know if you are interested. E-mail: Ab4uz@...?
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Kolno pre 1939
?
I just added new abum
Kolno pre 1939
Look into
?
For other photos look into
"Alfabet
Polski" - Poland Photos & Maps pre-1945
Tomek Wisniewski
Bialystoj
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Re: Looking for... Danilczyk
Helena,
The Hoover Institution, on the grounds of the Stanford University campus, archives the Polish "Ministerstwo Informacji i Dokumentacji" (MID) collection. This introduction to the collection by Maciej Siekierski describes the origin of these records:
"The MID was the main information and propaganda unit of the Polish Government in Exile. One of its units, the Research Section headed by Wiktor Sukiennicki was assigned the task of systematically reviewing and summarizing the testimonies of former Polish prisoners and deportees to Soviet Russia with a view to document the entry of the Red Army into Poland, the first weeks of Soviet occupation, the October 1939 ?elections,? and the consequent sovietization of the occupied territories. Thousands of original Soviet camp release certificates, statements of survivors and detailed summaries of Soviet occupation compiled by the Research Section for every county of eastern Poland, make up about forty percent of the volume of the Ministry?s collection."
The nearly 13,500 certificates archived in the Hoover were issued by the NKVD after the Polish-Soviet agreement of July 1941, releasing Polish deportees from forced labor camps and other places of detention. They were turned in to the Polish authorities when the arrived at their posts.
There are also nearly 12,000 questionnaires ("ankiety"), statements and depositions of Polish deportees (as well as of some Polish prisoners of war) collected by the Bureau of Documents of the Polish Armed Forces (Referat Historyczny Polskich Sil Zbrojnych) after evacuation to the Middle East.
Regarding your family, there is a report from a Stefan Danilczyk, a forester from Kosów Poleski (woj. Polesie). ?Also there are release certificates from a Bronislaw Danilczuk or Danilczyk (son of Wasil) born in 1912 in Ladzkie Szlacheckie, (woj. Stanislawowskie) and a Wiktor Danilczuk, (son of Feliks) born in 1920 in Sverdlovsk.
Any relations?
Stefan Wisniowski
From: "Helena Danielczuk"
What is an amnesty certificate? ?My father goes under the name Danielczuk
but I believe the name might be Danilczyk
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What is an amnesty certificate? My father goes under the name Danielczuk but I believe the name might be Danilczyk Bye 4 now Hela. From: "Krystyna Freiburger" <krystynafreiburger@...>
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To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Looking for...
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:47:45 -0500
Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Looking for...Thank you Stefan .....yes those certificates would be my father's and mom's cousin but what do I have to do to obtain them ???
Were your parents deported to the same place? Did you already know that the Hoover Institution (Box 172) has the "Amnesty Certificate" of a Franciszek Piotrowski (surname recorded as "Pietrowski" due to inexact translation from Russian), son of Michal, born in 1916 in Tarnopol province? With sons Zbigniew born 1937 and Mieczyslaw born 1940? It records that he was held captive at "Priluzskoie Raionnoie Otdelenie".
A Bogumila Klosowska, daughter of Jan and born in Miechow country, Kielce province in 1922, was also captive at "Priluzskoie Raionnoie Otdelenie" (Amnesty Certificate in Hoover, Box 162). Perhaps a relative of your mother's (who I believe was born in Zembrocin, Miechow county on 26.6.1911)?
May be worth getting hold of those certificates if you do not have them yet....
Stefan Wisniowski
From: "zembocin" <krystynafreiburger@...>
[...] Russia July 1942 ..town of KOLBISZOWA....can anyone tell me where that is or was in Russia.
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Welcome Mary Skinner - film on WW2 stories of Polish women
Please welcome Mary Skinner to the group. Mary, you should visit the
Personal Testimonies section of our discussion website at
Also, the paper there on Gendered Poles by LIsa Blenkinsop should be
instructive.
Any other suggestions from members for Mary's film?
Regards
Stefan Wisniowski
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From: "Mary Skinner" <nycskinner@...>
Greetings Stefan!
My name is Mary Skinner and I live in New York City. I am currently doing
research on the experience of the Poles during World War II for a
documentary film. The objective of the film is to look at the historical
events of the war within the context of personal stories of Polish women who
survived the loss of their families, the German and Russian invasions,
Occupation, deportation to labor and concentration camps in Germany and
Russia, and later displacement and denial during the Cold War years. I am
looking for personal accounts, photos and documents that tell the story of
life before, during and after the war for these women, many of whom were
still children when the war began. I would like to be able to feature
stories like those of my mother who lost her family in Warsaw and was sent
to a German labor camp as well as those of women who were deported and
imprisoned by the Russians. I am grateful for the wealth of information
here and any other advice and guidance the group may wish to offer, as well
as referrals to any individuals who might feel comfortable being interviewed
for the film.
Kind regards,
Mary Skinner
New York City
nycskinner@...
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