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Re: Kresy Pages

 

Hello Wanda,

What is this organization and what does it do? ?I think the URL is
incorrect because I could not access it.

Eve Jankowicz

Subject: Re: Kresy Pages


I might have added a letter to the e mail address of Wspolnota Polska:
here it is again: wspolnot@...



Re: Film......................slightly off topic

 

Janie

When the film was originally shown over here I posed some questions to M.
Melnyk via the journalist
who assured me that they were passed on. That was about 3-4 months ago.
Those questions had
been specific and they did include my email address. To this day I haven't
had a reply from M. Melnyk
so when the film was re shown I re submitted my questions with a few
additions. Looking back on the
"reply" history I somehow doubt that I will receive one, but if by a
miracle I do I'll keep you posted

I have however received some other emails from Canada informing me that
it's all lies
and it never happened, and telling me to leave it alone

Gets you thinking why?

Paul




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Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Film......................slightly off
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10/12/01
14:25
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I.

Paul,
Some of my relatives suffered at the hands of the Ukranians, so
I too would be interested in hearing Mr. Melnyk's reply, please keep
us posted. (if and when you hear from him).

Elizabeth,
Have a question for you as well, How did your mom end up in Germany?
My folks were from the Kresy region and were taken by the Nazis,
am interested in hearing from others who have a similar story....
thanks janie :-)


Re: Film......................slightly off topic

 

Elizabeth

Unfortunately when I pressed the record button I found out that my video isn't tuned into Sky Tv
but I'm in the process of obtaining a copy, when I do I'll let you know and if you would like a copy
I'll make you one

Paul

At 14:00 12/10/2001 +0100, you wrote:
Plus ca change Paul.
Early 80's met a 30-year-old German on a Greek
island.? I sat for several hours listening to his version
of WW2 (i.e. the 6 million odd people who perished in
the gas chambers was a figment of everyone's imagination..)
At the end of the monologue I quietly
explained I didn't agree with him, nor did many
historians.....? The only thing that shut him up was when
I told him my own mother had been in Dachau.

Did you by any chance record the documentary?
I can't get ITV over here.
Elizabeth
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Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Film......................slightly off topic


> Last night ITV2 showed the SS in Britain, about the 14th SS "Galizien"
> division
> I'm still amazed that in spite of all the evidence presented the author M.
> Melnyk
> and the "others" are still denying and disputing the facts.
> There were German documents that showed the divisions whereabouts and they
> are adamant that
> those documents are wrong. I suggest that if others can watch it they do
as
> it shows the Ukrainian Nationalist's
> mentality to insist that they are innocent of the crimes, they've even
> managed to persuade their
> children that they were the victims
>
> I have posed this question to M. Melnyk, If you state that you're
> Ukrainians fighting for a free Ukraine
> and despise the Poles and all that they stand for. Also you have never
> acknowledged the territory
> being Polish, why then upon your surrender to the British did you all pass
> yourselves as Polish citizens.
>
> I'm awaiting his reply.
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Re: Kresy Pages

 

I might have added a letter to the e mail address of Wspolnota Polska:
here it is again: wspolnot@...


Re: Film......................slightly off topic

 

Hi I woulkd like to pass on information about Stowarzyszenie Wspolnota Polska
active in Poland under patronage of the Senat. They can answer all sorts of
questions even about Dom Dziecka. Their address is:
. Their e mail:
wspolnota@.... Ltes ask them about Dom Dziecka in
Pilawa Gorna.
Wanda.


Re: Film......................slightly off topic

Elizabeth
 

Plus ca change Paul.
Early 80's met a 30-year-old German on a Greek
island. I sat for several hours listening to his version
of WW2 (i.e. the 6 million odd people who perished in
the gas chambers was a figment of everyone's imagination..)
At the end of the monologue I quietly
explained I didn't agree with him, nor did many
historians..... The only thing that shut him up was when
I told him my own mother had been in Dachau.

Did you by any chance record the documentary?
I can't get ITV over here.
Elizabeth

----- Original Message -----
From: <Paul.Havers@...>
To: <kresy-siberia@...>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:16 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Film......................slightly off topic


Last night ITV2 showed the SS in Britain, about the 14th SS "Galizien"
division
I'm still amazed that in spite of all the evidence presented the author M.
Melnyk
and the "others" are still denying and disputing the facts.
There were German documents that showed the divisions whereabouts and they
are adamant that
those documents are wrong. I suggest that if others can watch it they do
as
it shows the Ukrainian Nationalist's
mentality to insist that they are innocent of the crimes, they've even
managed to persuade their
children that they were the victims

I have posed this question to M. Melnyk, If you state that you're
Ukrainians fighting for a free Ukraine
and despise the Poles and all that they stand for. Also you have never
acknowledged the territory
being Polish, why then upon your surrender to the British did you all pass
yourselves as Polish citizens.

I'm awaiting his reply.



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Re: Film......................slightly off topic

 

I
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Paul,?
Some of my relatives suffered at the hands of the Ukranians, so
I too would be interested in hearing Mr. Melnyk's reply, please keep
us posted. (if and when you hear from him).

Elizabeth,
Have a question for you as well, How did your mom end up in Germany?
My folks were from the Kresy region and were taken by the Nazis,
am interested in hearing from others who have a similar story....
thanks janie :-)


Re: Welcome Betty Lloyd

 

Thank you Stefan for the warm welcome to the Kresy-Siberia Group and, for the
addresses to the related websites! I was not aware there was any group of
this type but I am very interested as I feel a very special bond to all who
suffered under Stalin's reign, and there families. I will check out the sites
and get back to you! Again, thanks!
Sincerely,
Betty


Film......................slightly off topic

 

Last night ITV2 showed the SS in Britain, about the 14th SS "Galizien"
division
I'm still amazed that in spite of all the evidence presented the author M.
Melnyk
and the "others" are still denying and disputing the facts.
There were German documents that showed the divisions whereabouts and they
are adamant that
those documents are wrong. I suggest that if others can watch it they do as
it shows the Ukrainian Nationalist's
mentality to insist that they are innocent of the crimes, they've even
managed to persuade their
children that they were the victims

I have posed this question to M. Melnyk, If you state that you're
Ukrainians fighting for a free Ukraine
and despise the Poles and all that they stand for. Also you have never
acknowledged the territory
being Polish, why then upon your surrender to the British did you all pass
yourselves as Polish citizens.

I'm awaiting his reply.



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Welcome Betty Lloyd

Stefan Wisniowski
 

Hello Betty
Thanks for your e-mail, and I would like to welcome you to the group. I
would also direct you to the website www.AForgottenOdyssey.com, about a film
in English on all this. On that site you will find many links about what
happened. Let us know what you discover and what you think about these
experiences.

Thanks to Fred for posting his notice about our group in the Gen Dobry
newsletter, which any group members interested can find it at

--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

From: BettyLL@...
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 05:05:25 EST

Dzien Dobry!
Recently, Gen Dobry had an article which I am very interested in
subscribing to learn more about the Siberian deportees and their descendants.
My cousin was a Polish officer in WWII from the Raclawice area. He
exchanged id's with a soldier who had died in battle knowing the Soviets
would kill him, too if they knew he was an officer; my cousin was captured
and deported to Siberia where he was forced to work for many years in a mine.
After Stalin's death my cousin was one of the prisoners who was released; he
was killed by the communists a few weeks later but it was after he had
returned home. During WWII his family were informed he had been killed in
battle so after 20 years of hard work and a starvation diet they did not
recognize or believe this was their son until he showed them a birthmark. He
lived and suffered under inhumane conditions for many years and it had
changed him dramatically.
I'd like to tell you what a great job you're doing publishing Gen Dobry and
how much I enjoy reading the many interesting articles; this article in
particular has special meaning to me and I hope to subscribe to this group
and perhaps learn more about the conditions my cousin and all the others who
were deportees endured under Soviet rule. I may possibly be able to contact
someone who's familiar with the area where my cousin was held.
Thank you! Wishing you and your families a Merry Christmas and a Happy New
Year!
Sincerely,
Betty Lloyd
Milford, CT


For the Life of a Polish Child In Iran

Stefan Wisniowski
 

Thanks for this, Janie
I had read this story of love and human kindness before, but had lost it in the sands of the internet desert. ?I will have the reference added to our links page on www.AForgottenOdyssey.com

For others in the group, please do not hesitate to forward me any other web pages of interest to our topic so we can share them with the group.
--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia
----------

Hi Stefan,
just found this web-site this morning, you may have already seen it, but in
case you haven't, it's a good one.
Click here: THE IRANIAN: History, World War II, Polish refugees

janie :-)



Re: Tony Dzimitrowicz

marysiagrace
 

--- In Kresy-Siberia@y..., rwtruksa@a... wrote:
Czesc Stefan
Congratulations, You are doing a great job,
I agree! I think it's no coincidence that, at a time when it has
become essential and vital for me to understand where I have come
from, that this group has materialised. I was speaking to my brother
today (he lives in Coffs Harbour for all you Australians out there)
and he expressed that he simply thought our father was indifferent to
his past and that is why he never spoke about it. I explained to him
what little I have learned since joining this group and thus what I
have been able to piece together about a family (that he and I never
knew) torn apart forever by a war kept silent, and how many of us
there are out there who are actually in similar situations. He then
said what I expect many of us have said many times, 'I wish I'd known
all this earlier.'
I am in awe of the number and quality of people who seem to be
finding this group and who 'qualify'. So Stefan, for this I am truly
grateful for your efforts.
On another note...Paul, another beautiful poem.
All the best
Grace


Re: Poems........

 

That was beautiful poem


Books & things

 

I'm heading to the Ukrainian bookshop tomorrow(08/12) Notting Hill, London
I'll be checking my mail before I go so if any one wants anything let me know and I'll see what can be obtained
Linder - I'll have another look for that book you wanted

Paul

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Poems........

 

I thought this might be appropriate as the last poem was very good.
This is a English translation

I, left Lwow, on a black dark night for unknown shores, on a wasted journey, On my lips I took with me, the salty taste of my mothers tears




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Re: Books..........

 

Good luck Paul, just remember the author of Harry Potter went to 12 publishers who refused to publish and the 13th publisher decided it will be a great book! just because they are publisher it does not mean they can predict the future! I am sure the other 12 are pulling their hair now, it also shows determination!
Nadia.


Kresy Pages

 

The Kresy domain is down at the moment, my ISP is updating the Systems
against the DoS and Gonner virus
it should be up and running by 11:30GMT
In the meantime if there's any information that you require please let me
know

Paul


Web site..............

 

My Kresy site is down at the moment, the ISP is upgrading server software
for DoS attacks and the Gonner Virus
it should be up and running by 11:30GMT today
in the meantime if there's any info required please mail me


Paul
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Tony Dzimitrowicz

Stefan Wisniowski
 

Please welcome Tony to the group. ?Born anywhere near St.Lawrence College or Potsdam NY?

Tony, I would direct you to the website www.AForgottenOdyssey.com, about a film in English on all this. ?On that site you will find many links about what happened. ?Let us know what your cousin has to say about her experiences.

Regards,
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Moderator, Kresy-Siberia



From: "Anthony Dzimitrowicz"
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:25:16 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
To:
Subject: Re: adzimitrowicz wants to join Kresy-Siberia

Hello Stefan:
My name is;
Anthony Dzimitrowicz (2nd. generation Pole)
Born in upstate New York and now living in FL.,
As you may guess I am doing Genealogical research on the Dzimitrowicz family name.
I read a recent article in Gen Dobry by William Hoffman. The article referred to your site and basically about the Kresy-Siberia group. As I have a (3rd) Cousin in Poland who spent some time in Siberia after the war, I am interested in learning more about these times and events. Due to the language difficulty I was unable to find out much in this area. It is my hope that I can learn a little more and have a better understanding of what my Cousin and her family went through.

http://www.PolishRoots.org/GenDobry_signup.htm\par

Thanks for your time and effort.
Anthony Dzimitrowicz
Email (old but good) tonyd@...
Email (new) ???tonydzimitr@...

PS: I like to go by the nickname Tony

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From: Stefan Wisniowski
Date: Thursday, December 06, 2001 09:35:10
To: tonyd@...
Subject: adzimitrowicz wants to join Kresy-Siberia

Hello

Thanks for expressing an interest in joining the Kresy-Siberia Group. Could
you please send me a brief note introducing yourself and your background or
interest in the Kresy-Siberia topic, so that I can join you up and introduce
you to the group?

Also, I would be interested in how you found out about the group...

I look forward to hearing from you soon!

Thanks
--
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Moderator, Kresy-Siberia



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Re: Book on Siberia/Wanda

Stefan Wisniowski
 

Thanks Nadia. ?Perhaps you could also post these scans on our web site.
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Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

From: nadialars@...
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:47:14 EST
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Book on Siberia/Wanda


Hi, my aunt in Poland was telling about how her father (my grandfather) was sent to Siberia and because there were a rich noble family and had connections they forged a document and he was released at ?an old age after spending 5 years in Siberia ?was put on a train back home to Kobryn and someone recognized him, he was so skinny with fleas under his arm pits, just awful he arrived on December 22nd and 2 days later died on December 24th, on his birthday! coincidentally December 24th is my birthday also, my aunt could not believe the coincidence my mother had to confirm it.I can ask her to write me everything she remembered her father Tomasz Adam Dabrowski told her, he also sent letters from Siberia, I will scan and email it to you for the book.
Good luck
Nadia.