In a message dated 10/16/2001 12:40:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, edtar@... writes:
If you go to the web you referenced you will find it is for Jews. ?The registry is for the Jews. ?Ed, I think you are not looking at the entire registry, ?because there are other stories listed, similiar to those of my parents, people who are non-jewish who were taken from their homes, some kidnapped right off the streets like the story of
Joseph Wardzala, who lives in Connecticut, and I have been in touch with him. ?These people were taken to forced labor camps in germany, then spent years in displaced person camps, and finally found new homes either in america, or europe, or other countries....these are the other holocaust survivors, they include polish, gypsies, chechs, any other nation that was persecuted by Hitler and his associates, like Stalin who deported the poles to Siberia......and the only way the world will know about this is if you get your story out and say Hey, this happened and yes, I am a survivor of the Holocaust......
I am not a Jew and most if not all Kresy-Siberia members are non Jews and further they are mostly Christian Catholic/Orthodox/Unite Poles who were deported to the slave labor camps in the USSR or their descendants. There were very few Jews deported to Siberia. I agree wholeheartdly with you on this point, and the reason no one know of the plight of the people in Siberia is because the poles do not moan and groan the way the jewish community does!
By the way, who were the Associates of the Gemans/Nazis???? ?The associate of the Nazis Party was Stalin and his army.....by the way not all germans were nazis.....there were plenty of german who were also persecuted for not embracing the Nazis regime......
hope you have a nice day :-)
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Re: but where in Kazakhstan???
Some units (Air Force) did escape to UK, my uncle was in one of them
www.havers-family.co.uk/szostak.html
Paul
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Re: but where in Kazakhstan???
If he had ties with the Swiss Army, then it's possible that he volunteered
for service with them after being interned
but that is doubtful as the Swiss weren't that keen on inducting foreigners
into their Army and still aren't
Paul
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Dear Grace
In 1940 there were several Polish divisions in France. When France
surrendered to the Germans (may 1940) one of the divisions crossed the
border to Switzerland and was interned. It was not tied to the swiss army.
The communist government was imposed in Poland after the Soviets pushed
the Germans out of Poland in 1945.
What does Hitler have to do with anything??
Edward
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----- Original Message ----- From: <grace@...> To: <Kresy-Siberia@...> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:31 PM Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: but where in Kazakhstan??? Thanks Stefan - will keep you posted on how I go. Do you have an
address for Alexander so I can access his database? I will also
contact the UK re. my grandfather though do not have a great deal of
information on regiment etc, though do have a UK naturalisation
certificate.
As for my father I have recently contacted the head of Military
History at Switzerland's Military Academy and asked him if he would
know of/has any leads. From the paraphernalia I have (letters,
photos, medals) it would seem my father's division was somehow tied
to the Swiss army and his entry into Switzerland is dated 19.6.40.
Not too up on my history here - do we have a communist gov. or not at
this time in Poland? Anyway, will wait to see if Herr. Fuhrer (I'm
not kidding!) has any info for me.
As for me I'm currently living in Singapore and before that was in
the Middle East (Kuwait) for four years. I occasionally get back to
Australia to visit friends. I often wonder if my wanderings and
feelings of 'roots-lessness' are a fall out from my father's and his
family's experiences.
Thanks for your reply
Grace
--- In Kresy-Siberia@y..., Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@p...> wrote:
Hi Grace
I hope that Alexander of the Polish Committee of "Memorial" in Moscow can
help you by checking his database, which definitely includes Archangel
(Siberia) but possibly he has access to Kazakhstan records as well.
It would definitely help to have as much detail on the person being sought
as possible. Here is what I think you have provided on your grandmother so
far:
Zofia Pundyk (nee/z domu) Stratkowska, living in Kolomyja in 1921, taken to
a camp in Kazakhstan in 1940 - likely died there. Mother of Stanislaw Josef
Pundyk, born in Kolomyja in 1921, but he was not deported.
You may also be able to get more information on your grandfather and his war
record from the British Army records, as it sounds like he was a sergeant
with the Polish Army, and if he ended up in Scotland he was probably
attached to the British during the war. You have to send details on your
relationship to the veteran in question and the possible units and dates of
service (I would mention Scotland). Write to:
The Ministry of Defense
Army Records Centre, POLISH SECTION
Bourne Avenue Hayes
Middlesex, England UA3 1RF
PHONE 0208-573-3831 FAX 0208-569-2751
As for your father, as he was born in 1921 he must have been about 18 when
the war broke out. Was he sent to Switzerland before the war by the 2nd
Republic government or after the war by the communist PRL government?
By the way, I am in Sydney - are you nearby? I believe that there
are a
couple of Sybiracy here (but not on e-mail) who were in Kazakhstan...
--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia
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Re: but where in Kazakhstan???
Hi Grace,
Well, on 19 June 1940, Poland was under a Nazi government in the western
half and a Soviet government in the East (where your family seems to have
been from). The officially recognised government of Poland was at that
time established in London, after the fall of France where it originally
fled. This "Government-in-Exile" had control over the Polish Army. I do
know that while some units of the Polish Army (especially Air Force) fled
the fall of France to England, some units were trapped against the Swiss
border and crossed over into neutral Switzerland, becoming interned there.
But this is different than a "student exchange" program!
can anybody else on the list shed some light on this?
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Moderator, Kresy-Siberia
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Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:31:04 -0000
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: but where in Kazakhstan???
Thanks Stefan - will keep you posted on how I go. Do you have an
address for Alexander so I can access his database? I will also
contact the UK re. my grandfather though do not have a great deal of
information on regiment etc, though do have a UK naturalisation
certificate.
As for my father I have recently contacted the head of Military
History at Switzerland's Military Academy and asked him if he would
know of/has any leads. From the paraphernalia I have (letters,
photos, medals) it would seem my father's division was somehow tied
to the Swiss army and his entry into Switzerland is dated 19.6.40.
Not too up on my history here - do we have a communist gov. or not at
this time in Poland? Anyway, will wait to see if Herr. Fuhrer (I'm
not kidding!) has any info for me.
As for me I'm currently living in Singapore and before that was in
the Middle East (Kuwait) for four years. I occasionally get back to
Australia to visit friends. I often wonder if my wanderings and
feelings of 'roots-lessness' are a fall out from my father's and his
family's experiences.
Thanks for your reply
Grace
--- In Kresy-Siberia@y..., Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@p...> wrote:
Hi Grace
I hope that Alexander of the Polish Committee of "Memorial" in Moscow can
help you by checking his database, which definitely includes Archangel
(Siberia) but possibly he has access to Kazakhstan records as well.
It would definitely help to have as much detail on the person being sought
as possible. Here is what I think you have provided on your grandmother so
far:
Zofia Pundyk (nee/z domu) Stratkowska, living in Kolomyja in 1921, taken to
a camp in Kazakhstan in 1940 - likely died there. Mother of Stanislaw Josef
Pundyk, born in Kolomyja in 1921, but he was not deported.
You may also be able to get more information on your grandfather and his war
record from the British Army records, as it sounds like he was a sergeant
with the Polish Army, and if he ended up in Scotland he was probably
attached to the British during the war. You have to send details on your
relationship to the veteran in question and the possible units and dates of
service (I would mention Scotland). Write to:
The Ministry of Defense
Army Records Centre, POLISH SECTION
Bourne Avenue Hayes
Middlesex, England UA3 1RF
PHONE 0208-573-3831 FAX 0208-569-2751
As for your father, as he was born in 1921 he must have been about 18 when
the war broke out. Was he sent to Switzerland before the war by the 2nd
Republic government or after the war by the communist PRL government?
By the way, I am in Sydney - are you nearby? I believe that there
are a
couple of Sybiracy here (but not on e-mail) who were in Kazakhstan...
--
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Re: but where in Kazakhstan???
Dear Grace
In 1940 there were several Polish divisions in France. When France
surrendered to the Germans (may 1940) one of the divisions crossed the
border to Switzerland and was interned. It was not tied to the swiss army.
The communist government was imposed in Poland after the Soviets pushed
the Germans out of Poland in 1945.
What does Hitler have to do with anything??
Edward
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----- Original Message ----- From: <grace@...> To: <Kresy-Siberia@...> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:31 PM Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: but where in Kazakhstan??? Thanks Stefan - will keep you posted on how I go. Do you have an
address for Alexander so I can access his database? I will also
contact the UK re. my grandfather though do not have a great deal of
information on regiment etc, though do have a UK naturalisation
certificate.
As for my father I have recently contacted the head of Military
History at Switzerland's Military Academy and asked him if he would
know of/has any leads. From the paraphernalia I have (letters,
photos, medals) it would seem my father's division was somehow tied
to the Swiss army and his entry into Switzerland is dated 19.6.40.
Not too up on my history here - do we have a communist gov. or not at
this time in Poland? Anyway, will wait to see if Herr. Fuhrer (I'm
not kidding!) has any info for me.
As for me I'm currently living in Singapore and before that was in
the Middle East (Kuwait) for four years. I occasionally get back to
Australia to visit friends. I often wonder if my wanderings and
feelings of 'roots-lessness' are a fall out from my father's and his
family's experiences.
Thanks for your reply
Grace
--- In Kresy-Siberia@y..., Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@p...> wrote:
Hi Grace
I hope that Alexander of the Polish Committee of "Memorial" in Moscow can
help you by checking his database, which definitely includes Archangel
(Siberia) but possibly he has access to Kazakhstan records as well.
It would definitely help to have as much detail on the person being sought
as possible. Here is what I think you have provided on your grandmother so
far:
Zofia Pundyk (nee/z domu) Stratkowska, living in Kolomyja in 1921, taken to
a camp in Kazakhstan in 1940 - likely died there. Mother of Stanislaw Josef
Pundyk, born in Kolomyja in 1921, but he was not deported.
You may also be able to get more information on your grandfather and his war
record from the British Army records, as it sounds like he was a sergeant
with the Polish Army, and if he ended up in Scotland he was probably
attached to the British during the war. You have to send details on your
relationship to the veteran in question and the possible units and dates of
service (I would mention Scotland). Write to:
The Ministry of Defense
Army Records Centre, POLISH SECTION
Bourne Avenue Hayes
Middlesex, England UA3 1RF
PHONE 0208-573-3831 FAX 0208-569-2751
As for your father, as he was born in 1921 he must have been about 18 when
the war broke out. Was he sent to Switzerland before the war by the 2nd
Republic government or after the war by the communist PRL government?
By the way, I am in Sydney - are you nearby? I believe that there
are a
couple of Sybiracy here (but not on e-mail) who were in Kazakhstan...
--
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Dear Janie, when yoy say they are trying to include everyone
you are talking about the holocaust museum/memorial. If you go to the web you
referenced you will find it is for Jews.? The registry is for the
Jews.??
I am not a?Jew and most if not all Kresy-Siberia members
are non Jews and further they are mostly Christian Catholic/Orthodox/Unite
Poles?who were deported to the slave labor camps in the USSR or their
descendants. There were very few Jews deported to Siberia.
By the way, who were the Associates of the
Gemans/Nazis????
Edward
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Dear Ed,
If you go
to the web-site, you will see that they are trying to include EVERYONE
WHO
WAS AFFECTED BY THE NAZIS AND THEIR ASSOCIATES........
THAT INCLUDES MY
FAMILY AS WELL AS YOURS..............AND IF THIS IS THE WAY TO GET
RECOGNIZATION, SO BE IT..........
JANIE
You have your wires crossed.
Holocaust memerial is for Jews
who were persecuted by the Germans.
Kresy-Siberia is for all Polish
citizens who were deported to Siberia and persecuted by the Soviets.
Ed
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Re: but where in Kazakhstan???
Thanks Stefan - will keep you posted on how I go. Do you have an address for Alexander so I can access his database? I will also contact the UK re. my grandfather though do not have a great deal of information on regiment etc, though do have a UK naturalisation certificate. As for my father I have recently contacted the head of Military History at Switzerland's Military Academy and asked him if he would know of/has any leads. From the paraphernalia I have (letters, photos, medals) it would seem my father's division was somehow tied to the Swiss army and his entry into Switzerland is dated 19.6.40. Not too up on my history here - do we have a communist gov. or not at this time in Poland? Anyway, will wait to see if Herr. Fuhrer (I'm not kidding!) has any info for me. As for me I'm currently living in Singapore and before that was in the Middle East (Kuwait) for four years. I occasionally get back to Australia to visit friends. I often wonder if my wanderings and feelings of 'roots-lessness' are a fall out from my father's and his family's experiences. Thanks for your reply Grace --- In Kresy-Siberia@y..., Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@p...> wrote: Hi Grace
I hope that Alexander of the Polish Committee of "Memorial" in Moscow can help you by checking his database, which definitely includes Archangel (Siberia) but possibly he has access to Kazakhstan records as well.
It would definitely help to have as much detail on the person being sought as possible. Here is what I think you have provided on your grandmother so far:
Zofia Pundyk (nee/z domu) Stratkowska, living in Kolomyja in 1921, taken to a camp in Kazakhstan in 1940 - likely died there. Mother of Stanislaw Josef Pundyk, born in Kolomyja in 1921, but he was not deported.
You may also be able to get more information on your grandfather and his war record from the British Army records, as it sounds like he was a sergeant with the Polish Army, and if he ended up in Scotland he was probably
attached to the British during the war. You have to send details on your relationship to the veteran in question and the possible units and dates of service (I would mention Scotland). Write to:
The Ministry of Defense
Army Records Centre, POLISH SECTION
Bourne Avenue Hayes
Middlesex, England UA3 1RF
PHONE 0208-573-3831 FAX 0208-569-2751
As for your father, as he was born in 1921 he must have been about 18 when the war broke out. Was he sent to Switzerland before the war by the 2nd Republic government or after the war by the communist PRL government?
By the way, I am in Sydney - are you nearby? I believe that there
are a couple of Sybiracy here (but not on e-mail) who were in Kazakhstan...
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Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia
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Dear Stefan,
I note from the undermentioned memo mention of Alexander of "Memorial" and his database which includes details of Archangel.
My father, Edmund Terech and his parents, Stanislaw and Felicja, were deported to Archangel in Spring 1940
Can you advise how to get in touch with Alexander.
Regards, Mark Terech
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I hope that Alexander of the Polish Committee of "Memorial" in Moscow can
help you by checking his database, which definitely includes Archangel
(Siberia) but possibly he has access to Kazakhstan records as well.
It would definitely help to have as much detail on the person being sought
as possible. Here is what I think you have provided on your grandmother so
far:
Zofia Pundyk (nee/z domu) Stratkowska, living in Kolomyja in 1921, taken to
a camp in Kazakhstan in 1940 - likely died there. Mother of Stanislaw Josef
Pundyk, born in Kolomyja in 1921, but he was not deported.
You may also be able to get more information on your grandfather and his war
record from the British Army records, as it sounds like he was a sergeant
with the Polish Army, and if he ended up in Scotland he was probably
attached to the British during the war. You have to send details on your
relationship to the veteran in question and the possible units and dates of
service (I would mention Scotland). Write to:
The Ministry of Defense
Army Records Centre, POLISH SECTION
Bourne Avenue Hayes
Middlesex, England UA3 1RF
PHONE 0208-573-3831 FAX 0208-569-2751
As for your father, as he was born in 1921 he must have been about 18 when
the war broke out. Was he sent to Switzerland before the war by the 2nd
Republic government or after the war by the communist PRL government?
By the way, I am in Sydney - are you nearby? I believe that there are a
couple of Sybiracy here (but not on e-mail) who were in Kazakhstan...
--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia
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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:56:45 -0000
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] but where in Kazakhstan???
Hi all,
This has probably been asked a million times before but considering
I'm new to the group I hope you'll bear with me...
I'm wondering - does anybody know if it's at all possible to find out
which camp my grandmother was sent to in Kazakhstan?
Any ideas at all would be much appreciated.
Also, are there any Australians out there who have/had family in
Kazakhstan?
Thanks
Grace
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Dear Janie, ???
You have your wires crossed.
Holocaust memerial is for Jews who were persecuted by the
Germans.
Kresy-Siberia is for all Polish citizens who were deported to Siberia and
persecuted by the Soviets.?
?Ed Tarchalski
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Hi Stefan and other
group members,
A few months ago I wrote Stefan, to tell him that I was
going to register my family
at this site, it is at the Holocaust Museum in
Washington DC, ?I did so just a few
weeks ago, here is a click-on
with more information. ?They are looking to document
survivors of the
Holocaust (this is not only for members of the Jewish community).
The Registry defines
a survivor as a person who was displaced, persecuted, and/or discriminated
against by the racial, religious, ethnic, and political policies of the Nazis
and their allies. In addition to former inmates of concentration camps and
ghettos this includes, among others, refugees and people in hiding.
Please help us to document survivors who are not yet registered by
passing on information about this Registry.
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I think that a lot
of the members in this group qualify as survivors, please take
a few
minutes and see if this is something you would do. ?
My parents spent
many years in forced labor after they were taken by the Nazis to Germany, if
you're interested in seeing a web-site devoted to Camp Wildflecken, which
housed many of the displaced people after the war, please visit:
www.dp-camp-wildflecken.de ?(or use this click-on:)
Thanks,
janie :-)
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Dear Ed,
If you go to the web-site, you will see that they are trying to include EVERYONE
WHO WAS AFFECTED BY THE NAZIS AND THEIR ASSOCIATES........
THAT INCLUDES MY FAMILY AS WELL AS YOURS..............AND IF THIS IS THE WAY TO GET RECOGNIZATION, SO BE IT..........
JANIE
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Kresy-Siberia is for all Polish citizens who were deported to Siberia and persecuted by the Soviets.
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Re: but where in Kazakhstan???
Hi Grace
I hope that Alexander of the Polish Committee of "Memorial" in Moscow can
help you by checking his database, which definitely includes Archangel
(Siberia) but possibly he has access to Kazakhstan records as well.
It would definitely help to have as much detail on the person being sought
as possible. Here is what I think you have provided on your grandmother so
far:
Zofia Pundyk (nee/z domu) Stratkowska, living in Kolomyja in 1921, taken to
a camp in Kazakhstan in 1940 - likely died there. Mother of Stanislaw Josef
Pundyk, born in Kolomyja in 1921, but he was not deported.
You may also be able to get more information on your grandfather and his war
record from the British Army records, as it sounds like he was a sergeant
with the Polish Army, and if he ended up in Scotland he was probably
attached to the British during the war. You have to send details on your
relationship to the veteran in question and the possible units and dates of
service (I would mention Scotland). Write to:
The Ministry of Defense
Army Records Centre, POLISH SECTION
Bourne Avenue Hayes
Middlesex, England UA3 1RF
PHONE 0208-573-3831 FAX 0208-569-2751
As for your father, as he was born in 1921 he must have been about 18 when
the war broke out. Was he sent to Switzerland before the war by the 2nd
Republic government or after the war by the communist PRL government?
By the way, I am in Sydney - are you nearby? I believe that there are a
couple of Sybiracy here (but not on e-mail) who were in Kazakhstan...
--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia
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Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:56:45 -0000
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] but where in Kazakhstan???
Hi all,
This has probably been asked a million times before but considering
I'm new to the group I hope you'll bear with me...
I'm wondering - does anybody know if it's at all possible to find out
which camp my grandmother was sent to in Kazakhstan?
Any ideas at all would be much appreciated.
Also, are there any Australians out there who have/had family in
Kazakhstan?
Thanks
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Hi Stefan and other group members,
A few months ago I wrote Stefan, to tell him that I was going to register my family
at this site, it is at the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC, ?I did so just a few
weeks ago, here is a click-on with more information. ?They are looking to document
survivors of the Holocaust (this is not only for members of the Jewish community).
The Registry defines a survivor as a person who was displaced, persecuted, and/or discriminated against by the racial, religious, ethnic, and political policies of the Nazis and their allies. In addition to former inmates of concentration camps and ghettos this includes, among others, refugees and people in hiding.
Please help us to document survivors who are not yet registered by passing on information about this Registry.
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I think that a lot of the members in this group qualify as survivors, please take
a few minutes and see if this is something you would do. ?
My parents spent many years in forced labor after they were taken by the Nazis to Germany, if you're interested in seeing a web-site devoted to Camp Wildflecken, which housed many of the displaced people after the war, please visit:
www.dp-camp-wildflecken.de ?(or use this click-on:)
Thanks,
janie :-)
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but where in Kazakhstan???
Hi all,
This has probably been asked a million times before but considering
I'm new to the group I hope you'll bear with me...
I'm wondering - does anybody know if it's at all possible to find out
which camp my grandmother was sent to in Kazakhstan?
Any ideas at all would be much appreciated.
Also, are there any Australians out there who have/had family in
Kazakhstan?
Thanks
Grace
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Hello Kazimierz
I do not know about this, but will forward the message to the Kresy-Siberia
group in case somebody there does.
Good luck.
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From: Kazimierz E Bogusz <kaz136@...>
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:52:12 -0700
Do you know any think about the Third Uprising Group under
Commandant Kazimierza Kozarejewa or Kozareja.
This group was break apart by the Bolsheviks between March 15 and 16 I think
in 1919. This group was fighting in region Nieswiez.
Best regards, Kazimierz Bogusz
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Re: Information about Kresy & the Deportations
This is the information I have on the (ONLY) English translation of the
Kresy books:
"Stalin's Ethnic Cleansing in Eastern Poland,
Tales of the Deported 1940-1946"
ISBN 1 872286 88 7
Price 15.00 incl. postage in UK
(postage Europe 3.00, outside Europe 5)
Aavailable from:
CALDRA HOUSE LIMITED
23 Coleridge Street
Hove, East Sussex BN3 5AB
Tel 01273 772234
Fax 01273 772236
E mail : printing@...
If you look at the home page
www.stalinsethniccleansing.com
you can read;
- the foreword written by the translator Eric J. Whittle (co-author
Bronia Kacperek)
- introduction written by Janina Stobniak-Smogorzewska "The Fortunes of
the military settlers during 1939-45"
Both of which I assume are included in the book.
Elzunia
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Subject: Re: Information about Kresy & the Deportations
Paul and Ed
There may be a slight misunderstanding on here about the Polish and English
versions of the books from the Association of the Families of the Borderland
Settlers. I also went through the same confusing process earlier this year;
perhaps I can help.
I believe that Elzunia's recent e-mail explains it, but in case it was not
clear, there were 2 books in Polish - one dealing with the inter-war period
(1921-40), one with the deportation (1940-46). Both books were combined
into one English book, but the English book only took on the 2nd books title
(1940-46). I believe that what the committee did was combine the memories
of the settlements with the memories of the deportation into the same
articles. Whilst I have not done a page by page comparison, I believe that
the bulk of the English book is from the 2nd Polish book. For example, many
of the stories start in 1940. But several also have a few paragraphs on
life before then.
So, in short, the English book, while brilliant, likely does not include all
the material of the 2 Polish books - especially abridging the first,
inter-war book. There is certainly no point in seeking a separate English
translation of the 1921-40 book.
Elzunia, have I finally got this right?
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Re: Information about Kresy & the Deportations
Paul and Ed
There may be a slight misunderstanding on here about the Polish and English
versions of the books from the Association of the Families of the Borderland
Settlers. I also went through the same confusing process earlier this year;
perhaps I can help.
I believe that Elzunia's recent e-mail explains it, but in case it was not
clear, there were 2 books in Polish - one dealing with the inter-war period
(1921-40), one with the deportation (1940-46). Both books were combined
into one English book, but the English book only took on the 2nd books title
(1940-46). I believe that what the committee did was combine the memories
of the settlements with the memories of the deportation into the same
articles. Whilst I have not done a page by page comparison, I believe that
the bulk of the English book is from the 2nd Polish book. For example, many
of the stories start in 1940. But several also have a few paragraphs on
life before then.
So, in short, the English book, while brilliant, likely does not include all
the material of the 2 Polish books - especially abridging the first,
inter-war book. There is certainly no point in seeking a separate English
translation of the 1921-40 book.
Elzunia, have I finally got this right?
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Re: Digest Number 17: Books about Kresy Deportations
Hi all,
Just to get the facts straight:
My mother, Danuta Gradosielska (in London) was one of the editors of the
first book, "Z Kresow Wschodnich R.P. Wspomnienia z Osad Wojskowych
1921-1940". She has written two articles in this book, pages 231 and
247, describing her life on Osada Krechowiecka, just outside Rowne,
Wolyn (now Rivno, Ukraine) My copy of this book was published in 1992,
429 pages.
The second book is a follow-up "Z Kresow Wschodnich R.P. Na Wygnanie
Opowiesci Zeslancow 1940-1946" and her article is on pages 178-190 (the
last page has a photo of our family, including me!)
These two books were written in Polish and subsequently both books were
combined and translated into English, including my mother's articles, in
"Stalin's Ethnic Cleansing in Eastern Poland - Tales of the Deported
1940-1946", published almost one year ago. I don't know the name of the
translator but I was told he's English (Stefan must know his name, he
has a copy of the book)
So I don't understand why you say you can't find these "in the original
books". Even if there are later editions I don't think they would have
left out any of the original accounts!
<<<Janina Stobnik's story does not appear in either.>>> Janina
Stobniak-Smogorzewska is my mother's childhood friend from Osada
Krechowiecka. She has written the historical introduction to the first
book and I believe to "Stalin's Ethnic....." too. I really must get a
copy of it myself!
The story on Paul's Kresy page () is
my mother's dairy and almost exactly the same as the articles in the
above 3 books - I changed them slightly because she was a bit worried
about copyright violation. Hope you find it interesting reading.
As a matter of interest, there were 134 plots of land and houses at the
Osada. Now there is only one house left - and that's my Mother's!! I
visited it a few years ago. Unfortunatly the land was just used as
pasture for cows. I was told that no one knew who the land belonged to
nowadays, and in any case they didn't have any farm equipment or tools
to farm with, they couldn't even afford to buy seeds!
Elizabeth/Elzunia/Elzbieta
in Sweden
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 08:23:33 +0100
From: Paul.Havers@...
Subject: Re: Information about Kresy & the Deportations
Edward
The story on my web page isn't in the book. It's a personal recollection
of
Elizabeth's mother that Elizabeth kindly allowed me to publish.
Both the book titles are at the bottom of the page, the English version
is
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I do not have the right to question any accounts in these books as my
family didn't have to make that terrible journey.
Paul
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From: "edtar" <edtar@...>
Subject: Re: Information about Kresy & the Deportations
Paul, what is the title of the english version and where did you get it &
how much is it.
The sample story in the site > is
not in the original books of which there were 2 editions, 1996 of 700 p and
1998 of 450 p. Janina Stobnik's story does not appear in either. I also
question Tomasz Piesakowski's claim of authorship of the english translation
of these collective authiorships.
Edward
Thanks Ed,
The good news is that I have this book in it's English translation as well
as the Polish original. It is called "Stalin's Ethnic Cleansing in
Eastern Poland - Tales of the Deported 1940-1946". It is indeed a valuable book.
Marek Duchnowski, a recent member of our group, was responsible for putting the book on the web - and if you visit the site, I'm sure you will agree
that it is a masterpiece!
Go to www.StalinsEthnicCleansing.com for more information on the English
version and for information on how to order copies. (Marek, this may be a
good time to get the publishers to accept credit cards and/or to accept US
funds). Stefan Wisniowski
From: "edtar" <edtar@...>
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:01:44 -0400
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Information about Kresy
The best source of information about Kresy is the book "Z Kresow
Wschodnich R.P. Na Wygnanie". It is a collection of memories and descriptions of
settlements of 142 survivors of Kresy from almost as many Osady (settlements)
on the Kresy. Unfortunately it is only in Polish. I was told once that it is
being translated
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Re: Information about Kresy & the Deportations
Yes I think it is
if you have any questions write to Elizabeth Gradosielska, she's
mentioned in the book
elzunia@...
Paul
At 14:12 10/12/2001 -0400, you wrote:
Paul,
??? Thanks, it is the same printer who prined the Polish
version.
??? Yor pages are great.
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write to this address
Polish Cultural Foundation, 23 Coleridge Street, Hove, Sussex BN3 5AB, UK
I'm not so sure of the price, but they'll be able to fill you in
what do you think of the story that I've got on my pages
Paul
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Paul,
??? Thanks for the title of the English translation ( From The Eastern
Borderlands of Poland, Memories of military settlements? 1921-1940 )
It is not in . The title there is of course
Stalins Ethnic Cleansing. It is also in the ordering procedure.? There are
references to the Polish version (articles and authors etc) in that URL.
Again, where can I get the ( From The Eastern Borderlands of Poland,
Memories of military settlements? 1921-1940 ) and how much is it.
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??? Yor pages are great.
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write to this address
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Foundation, 23 Coleridge Street, Hove, Sussex BN3 5AB, UK
I'm not so
sure of the price, but they'll be able to fill you in
what do you think of
the story that I've got on my pages
Paul
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Borderlands
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It is not
in The title there is of
course
Stalins Ethnic Cleansing. It is also in the ordering
procedure.? There are
references to the Polish version (articles and
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