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Re: presentation
--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "miranda_pardo"
<miranda_pardo@y...> wrote: group. Hi Felipe, Welcome to the group. It is so nice to hear that you have an interest in Polish people -as indeed you studied in Poland-and particular your interest in Kresy Regions.So many people do not know where Kresy are/were and their significance to Poland in the first place and to Europe.Presently we see so much news about that area with the referendum in Belarusia recently and today's elections in Ukraine. Today's Poland and a new member of the European Community is very much involved in those regions -helping and advising people in many ways to decide on their future and freedoms.What a history in that area? The area of constantly shifting boundaries; constant government changes. Polishness still prevails, as I understand.Polish language and religion from Odessa to Lwow to Wilno and Brzesc. You add another dimension-Cuban view- and it is pleasing welcoming you to the group. antoni 530 |
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presentation
dzien dobry thank you for permiting me to be a member of your group.
i live in canada from 1984. i finish netallurgy in poland .i graduated in 1970 in cracow .i am originally from cuba. always i have been very interested in history .i have been an admiror of polish history and of the heroic polish people ,in their quest for freedom. the most i knew about their history the most i am interested in it.this part of history about the cresy ,i learned when i came to canada ,because it was erased of the written history of poland.this is why i join the group, i want to learn more.thank you , for your atention.felipe |
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Re: Breda 2
Amelia Remmert
开云体育Thanks
Jan
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My
father (Polish) and mother (Dutch) told me over and over, that because the Dutch
were so grateful for their liberation, they invited many Poles?to accept
the?Netherlands as their?new home and so my father choose to move to the
Netherlands after his discharge in
England.?
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Amy
Remmert
Kalamazoo MI
USA?
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Re: Siberian Cross - Need help
Chris Fisher
I know that in Calgary the SPK (Polish Combatants Association) has already sent out application forms to it's members for this cross.?? I will ask one of the members of the executive committee about the details and let you know.
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Chris
Helena Danielczuk wrote: It would be so fitting as the 65th anniversary is in 2005 if everyi=one
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Re: Siberian Cross - Need help
It would be so fitting as the 65th anniversary is in 2005 if everyi=one entitled to it would have it.
Is there any place in Poland which might help? Is there a museum or archive does anyone know? Bye 4 now Hela. From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>_________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends |
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Re: Siberian Cross - Need help
Stefan Wisniowski
Many of our members could apply for the Siberian Cross.
John, could you remind us how to do this? If there is a form, perhaps somebody can scan it and put it into our gallery.. Thanks Stefan -- Stefan Wisniowski (moderator) Sydney, Australia From: zabka2@... Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@... Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:52:19 -0500 To: Kresy-Siberia@... Cc: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Siberian Cross - Need help I am trying to find the website that contains the application for the Siberian Cross. ??In Polish, it's known as "Krzyz Sybirakow". ?All survivors are entitled to get this cross, but an application needs to be filled out. ?I heard that the Siberian Society in Florida has gotten them for all their members, but I cannot locate any of those members specifically to ask how they went about getting it. If you know how I can attain this, please send me a note to my email directly, as I do not always review the messages from the group's consolidated listing. My email address is: ?zabka2@... Thank you, in advance for your help! -Hala Rozycka |
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Re: Odessa map
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
Michael,
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Thanks for the map. It is one I've seen many times before but I could not find it when I need to find it. Regards Zbyszek -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Kulik [mailto:iteekulik@...] Sent: October 30, 2004 11:23 AM To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Odessa map --- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "Zbigniew Bob Styrna" <styrna@t...> wrote: The enclosed map shows the "Fiefs of the Kingdom of Poland", I'mstill reading the book to figure out what years this map was valid from-to.Odessa is not written on the map, but it would be just west along the Black sea from Oczakow and clearly within the borders of the Polish Kingdom.
I have a small historical atlas (from my school days) which I have just consulted, and according to a map dated 1494, the Polish- Lithuanian commonwealth did indeed stretch as far south as the Black Sea, and included the area that was to become known as Odessa. However it would appear that the area was held only briefly as a map 100 years later shows that the Black Sea coastline as now being held by the Ottoman Empire. Michael Kulik England * KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION "Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two." * Discussion site : Gallery (photos, documents) : Film and info : * To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail saying who you are and describing your interest in the group to: Kresy-Siberia-owner@... * Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Re: Odessa map
Paul Havers
Michael
You've got it in one, have a look at this map this clearly shows the size of the Commonwealth Paul At 20:23 30/10/2004, you wrote: --- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "Zbigniew Bob Styrna"
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Re: Odessa map
--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "Zbigniew Bob Styrna"
<styrna@t...> wrote: The enclosed map shows the "Fiefs of the Kingdom of Poland", I'mstill reading the book to figure out what years this map was valid from-to.Odessa is not written on the map, but it would be just west along the Black sea from Oczakow and clearly within the borders of the Polish Kingdom.
I have a small historical atlas (from my school days) which I have just consulted, and according to a map dated 1494, the Polish- Lithuanian commonwealth did indeed stretch as far south as the Black Sea, and included the area that was to become known as Odessa. However it would appear that the area was held only briefly as a map 100 years later shows that the Black Sea coastline as now being held by the Ottoman Empire. Michael Kulik England |
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Breda 2
Jan Prygoda
开云体育The Dutch TV news also showed the Poles marching through Breda
today. In the reports the stress is constantly at the statement that the Poles
liberated the Dutch but that they could not liberate their own country because
of the Russians. They also mentioned in the main news that the Poles fighting in
the West were seen as traitors in communist Poland. This attention is very good
for the Poles here in the Netherlands.
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Re: Polish flag on Monte Cassino
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
Romuald,
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You're very welcome for the kind words. Your Polish Generation deserves it. I thought my life is/was tough, but it pales in comparison to what you and your generation had to deal with. I had three uncles that managed to escape the frozen death grip of Siberia and fight at Monte Casino. I am saddened that when I was younger I did not take more interest in their pain. The betrayal by the allies was the last nail in the coffin. After the war one of them decided not to return to Russian invaded Poland and be potentially shipped off to Siberia gain. What a thought eh? Another returned because he found out his wife was allowed to go back to Poland in 1946. The 3'rd one , my mother's fiancé never had a choice to make. He was killed at the "monestary". I think that this war was very well thought out and planed to destroy/erase Poland off the map. Kill them in the concentration camps and in Siberia. And anyone who is left will be so psychologically damaged that they will be scared and damaged for many generations. To the point of suicides even Yes time heals everything like you say. But, it heals it very, very, extremely slowly. I feel that we should not let it heal to that point that it "numbs" our brains and we let it happen again to us. We can try to forcibly push it to the very depths of our minds. You/we must heal to get on with life, be happy, etc. but I don't believe in total "blind healing". Otherwise, what will we have learned from all that pain, and 8,000,000 Polish deaths? Zbyszek -----Original Message-----
From: rlipinsk@... [mailto:rlipinsk@...] Sent: October 29, 2004 7:00 PM To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: Re: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Polish flag on Monte Cassino Hi Zbyszek Thank you for your letter and your kind words. The honor of capturing the Monastery should really go to the 1-st brigade of the 3-rd Carpathian Division. They were the first to go in assault on the Hill 593 where the fiercest battle took place, and they suffered the highest losses. I don't remember which one was it but from one company 8 came down back. Yes, this was our chance to take revenge for all that Germans did to our nation. But the worst came later, when we found out about the bertayal, that we did not have the coutry to go to, that all our sacrifices and blood was for nothing. People did not know what to do; some wanted to go to a neutral country (Turkey) and surrender our arms there. Some wanted to establish a Polish colony in some country (there were talks about Madagascar). There were many suicides...Those were terrible days. But they say that time heals everything - maybe it's true. Thanks again, Pozdrowienia Romuald |
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Breda
Jan Prygoda
开云体育Dutch radio just mentioned that 100 Polish soldiers marched
through Breda today to commemorate the liberation of Breda. Queen Beatrix and
President Kwasniewski will attend a church service?for the Polish
liberators in Breda tomorrow.
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Jan Prygoda
Eindhoven
the Netherlands
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Siberian Cross - Need help
I am trying to find the website that contains the application for the
Siberian Cross. In Polish, it's known as "Krzyz Sybirakow". All survivors are entitled to get this cross, but an application needs to be filled out. I heard that the Siberian Society in Florida has gotten them for all their members, but I cannot locate any of those members specifically to ask how they went about getting it. If you know how I can attain this, please send me a note to my email directly, as I do not always review the messages from the group's consolidated listing. My email address is: zabka2@... Thank you, in advance for your help! -Hala Rozycka |
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Re: Lwow
Krystyna
Witam Group Members;
English Lvov version available on same site;
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?Pozdrowienia
Krystyna Styrna-Ejnesman
henrysokolowski wrote:
Blessings
Krystyna
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Re: Odessa and The Charge of the Light Brigade
Bert Bakker
--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., Lech Lesiak <lech_lesiak@y...>
wrote: --- romed46 <romed46@y...> wrote: And then there were raglan and balaclava... Was the Crimean War run by fashion designers? Bert Bakker Nelspruit South Africa |
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