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Re: Military - men in uniform
Paul Havers
Have a look at
this will give you a bit of info on the area and the towns
Paul At 19:23 14/10/2004, you wrote: Hi again - I found some photos of significance to my Babka and
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Military - men in uniform
tracy_hagen2001
Hi again - I found some photos of significance to my Babka and
thought I would seek help here .. if you get a chance have a look and let me know what you think ! set_albumName=Koja&page=10 Also can anyone tell me what happened to those in now Ukraine - Tarnapol - Zbaraze region ? I imagine they would have been hit hard and early by the Russians ?? is it the Galicia region Thanks again Tracy |
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Koja Camp
tracy_hagen2001
Hi I found many more photos including group photos
The reason I though I would share these, is I think we need to remember what kind of spirit, resilience and adaptability these people had. The smiles, the babies, the animals!, the pith hats! I am truing to get some informationb on Koja, facts, lifestyle, happenings, thoughts, if you know anything maybe recognise people in these photos please drop me a line. set_albumName=Koja&page=4 Have lovely days Tracy :) (PS those that know polish could you do a little translating on a couple of pictures for me (see couple pages further from link? - Thanks VERY VERY much - a phrase book only goes so far) |
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Off topic for Americans, but some applicable to Group
开云体育Dear Group -
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I include a link below in which?American historians rate the current
presidency.??Surprisingly, many of the historians share our view of
Roosevelt.? I had no idea of this.?
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I ask?all Americans in our group to please read the link?provided.?
The most important section appears after the two charts when your
scroll bar is approximately one-third down the page, after the
centered ***, and begins with the words, "The reasons stated by
some of the historians..."
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I feel this is extremely important food for thought.? I apologize, Stefan,
and ask that this topic not be discussed here.
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Here is the link:?
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Pozdrawiam,
Eve Jesionka Jankowicz
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Re: Poles in India site
Barbara Charuba
开云体育It is . Good luck.
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Re: Amnesty papers
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
开云体育Antoni530, ? Thanks for your interesting account.? ? You mention “machortka” (tobacco).? Have you very heard of “Kuriski”?? Not sure I have the spelling correct. ? Zbyszek ? -----Original
Message----- From: ANTONI KAZIMIERSKI
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Sent: October 13, 2004 3:09 AM To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Amnesty papers ? Hello Stefan Yes as you say it was like that with us also-I lost my father in a similar way in early March 1941 -he contracted dble pneumonia whil hanging and standing on the platform of the gurds van as train travelled through a long distance in Turkiestan. I thinkit must also be realised that although the amnesty was in July 1941 it was no good to all those with families- only single people could leave early;they took a risk. The families had to stay behind in spite of having received their papers after a month's wait from NKVD headqurters. While waiting we tried to save rations by drying bread, fish and going to the nearest village to exchange any goods we had for little cash-rubbles-as they were crucial in this operation.We also asked for extra parcels from my grandfather in Belarus(as present) speciffically for machorka *tobacco* which was like gold in the west. The logistics were enormous and it was all due to my mother,as my father worked extra shifts when he was able. Then there was a queue for the transport from the local villages. We all waited for horse drawn sleighs as and when the klochz could spare them. The travel was so different to that in the west. All pass. trains were alloted to the military. One must remember that the Germans were advancing eastwards and near big towns the air raids disrupted the transport. ? Regards. antoni530 ----- Original Message -----
From: Stefan
Wisniowski
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Amnesty papers ? Hi
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Re: Amnesty papers
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
开云体育Stefan, ? Yes 1941 not 1940.? Thanks.? Seems a lot of people died near this Aktyubinsk, yours and my grandfathers.? It was a sad time . ? Regards ? Zbyszek ? -----Original
Message----- From: Stefan Wisniowski
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Sent: October 13, 2004 1:58 AM To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Amnesty papers ? Hi
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Re: Amnesty papers
Generally speaking, at least this seems to be the case at the camp my
family were released from (Monastryok nr Kotlas), those that waited before leaving often fared better than those who left as soon as the opportunity presented itself. The first prisoners at my families camp were released in September, my family left in October. The Camp commandant read out the list of the names of those who could leave - it was not everybody at the same time. Some who could have left did so only in December 1941 / January 1942. Those that did this often fared better as by the time they had reached "the south" in some cases they managed to leave in the first evacuations in March 1942. Others like my family, who arrived in "the south" during December 1941 / January 1942 were usually sent to communal farms where they became progressively weaker and my family (with the exception of my Uncle) missed the March evacuations. During the next 6 months my grandmother became weaker and weaker and eventually died in Krasnavodsk right on the eve of the final evacuations in August - she was literally carried away from the beach. The next day, her children boarded the oil tanker to Pahlevi. So the choice of whether to go or stay in the camps must have been a terrible decision to make for all of our relatives. Michael Kulik Walsall England In Kresy-Siberia@..., "ANTONI KAZIMIERSKI" <askazimierski@b...> wrote: I think it must also be realised that although the amnesty was inJuly 1941 it was no good to all those with families- only single people could leave early;they took a risk. The families had to stay behind in spite of having received their papers after a month's wait from NKVD headqurters. While waiting we tried to save rations by drying bread, fish and going to the nearest village to exchange any goods we had for little cash-rubbles-as they were crucial in this operation. |
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Re: Amnesty papers
开云体育Hello Stefan
Yes as you say it was like that with us also-I lost
my father in a similar way in early March 1941 -he contracted dble pneumonia
whil hanging and standing on the platform of the gurds van as train travelled
through a long distance in Turkiestan.
I thinkit must also be realised that although the
amnesty was in July 1941 it was no good to all those with families- only single
people could leave early;they took a risk. The families had to stay behind in
spite of having received their papers after a month's wait from NKVD
headqurters. While waiting we tried to save rations by drying bread, fish and
going to the nearest village to exchange any goods we had for little
cash-rubbles-as they were crucial in this operation.We also asked for extra
parcels from my grandfather in Belarus(as present) speciffically for machorka
*tobacco* which was like gold in the west.
The logistics were enormous and it was all due to
my mother,as my father worked extra shifts when he was able.
Then there was a queue for the transport from the
local villages. We all waited for horse drawn sleighs as and when the klochz
could spare them. The travel was so different to that in the west. All pass.
trains were alloted to the military. One must remember that the Germans were
advancing eastwards and near big towns the air raids disrupted the
transport.
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Regards.
antoni530
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Re: Amnesty papers
Stefan Wisniowski
Hi Zbyszek,
Your point on the camp commanders being reluctant to let their labour pool go rings true. And it took months for news of the amnesty and/or for paperwork to reach the camps. My family was not released until December 1941 and made their way south as well; it is on this trip south (near Aktiubinsk) that my grandfather died from frostbite in January 1942, which he contracted clutching a pot of soup for the family while hanging on to the outside of their train carriage in the bitter cold. NB 1941 not 1940? -- Stefan Wisniowski (moderator) Sydney, Australia 1) ??????In late Aug, 1940, a month after signed agreement, Polish people working in these slave camps were asked if they wanted amnesty papers. |
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Amnesty papers
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
开云体育Stefan, ? I agree, it is nice to see a ‘amnesty ‘ paper posted on our site and with a translation. I don’t think there was any ‘disagreement’ weather children or women or old men were ‘granted’ ‘amnesty papers. ? My point was that, there might have been, and there certainly was a signed agreement to free enslaved all Polish citizens. ?These papers were signed by the top Polish and Russian powers at the time. However, in practice, it was almost impossible for people to be free and “LEAVE” Siberia or Russia.? It’s not like one could leave on July 30, 1941 when the agreement was signed and travel 5,000 miles with no food , tickets, etc. ? I will try to explain myself again. 1)?????? In late Aug, 1940, a month after signed agreement, Polish people working in these slave camps were asked if they wanted amnesty papers. And they were given these papers if asked for.? My mother and her family received amnesty papers each. 2)?????? These slave camps had production work deliverable quotas. ?So the commandants asked all people if they got their amnesty papers would they stay and work of would they leave.?? If they chose to “leave”, then these people’s food rations were CUT-OFF immediately and they were told to go without any money, food, provisions , no train tickets, or help.? They were just kicked out of the camps.? Many people in her concentration camp were so eager to leave that they chose to leave at once and they received such treatment. Her family however, indicated that they would stay and work and they continued to be fed their meager rations. My mom’s brother, who was young, strong and foolish, like all young men are, decided to leave his family behind and try to find this secret, mysterious rumor of a Polish army being formed.? So he left with two other young men.? My mom’s family was incredibly distraught to see him leave in November in 1941.? The onset of winter. 3)?????? Along with the “amnesty ‘ papers my relatives received, there also received a document my mom said called a “Warunki”. In this it stated that even though they were released from these slave camps, they were not allowed to go anywhere near large towns/cities, near any military area, front lines, borders, etc.. 4)?????? In March 1942, my mom’s family finally decided to leave their “lagier”. Even though they promised the commandant that they would stay and work, they escaped the camp at night time.? All the time fearing for their lives. They were “kind” of free to go but there were lots of conditions. Most of the trains were allocated for the war effort so it’s nit like there were passenger trains on scheduled routes, etc.. 5)?????? They managed to jump on a cattle train, like hobos used to in USA, they managed to get to Chelyabinsk.? At this station all their possessions were stolen. Gone was s suitcase with everything in it including all the amnesty papers.? My grandfather died along the way and was thrown off the train. 6)?????? But they managed to get to the Kazakhstan border at Bukhara. There her brother –in-law got very sick with typhoid and he was taken to the local hospital. His wife, my mom’s sister, was left behind outside the hospital. She never saw him again till 6 years later. Turns out , even though he was sick they took him to the army and left her behind. While in Bukhara, she could into go further south and within a few weeks the Russians closed the border and they shipped her/them back from Kazakhstan north into Russia. Not as far as Siberia this time. But back into Russia where my mom and her sister spent another 4 years slaving in a desolate “kolhoz”.? They lost all hope. 7)?????? My mom’s brother and brother in-law were allowed and did join the Polish army.? My mother and her sister never joined any army or somehow ?were not allowed to be part of it and escape. ? My point was that like the Eagle’s song goes, “..you can check out anytime you like, but you can’t ever leave…” ? So that is why so many hundred’s of thousands of Polish people died trying to get out. They were all clutching this silly piece of worthless paper trying to get south, and hopefully what ?? It was not until later when some got down there to places like Buzuluk, that it was decided to escape with the Polish formed army south out of Russia. ? Oddly enough, my father’s family (mom, dad brothers and sisters) ?was also in the same Siberian slave camp. However, they decided not to leave and go south.? They all managed to live and moved back to Poland after the war. ? Regards ? Zbyszek ? ? ? -----Original
Message----- From: Stefan Wisniowski
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Sent: 10 pa?dziernika 2004 00:33 To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] udostovyerenye?? ? This amnesty for
Kazimierz Morawski and his daughter Barbara helps inform an earlier discussion
whether the women and children were amnestied as well, not just the men of
military age.
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Re: udostovyerenye??
Stefan Wisniowski
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Barbara I have added the translation to your photo. -- Stefan Wisniowski (moderator) Sydney, Australia From: "Victor Radivinovski" <vvr63@...>
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Re: help dabrowski
nikki bruce
ok sounds simple enuff here goes
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and once again THANKYOU ----- Original Message -----
From: Zbigniew Bob Styrna To: Kresy-Siberia@... Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:06 AM Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] help dabrowski Nikki, Juts double click on the following web page and it will take you right to the names. Then click on the one (in blue) to see more information about that person. Regards Zbyszek -----Original Message----- From: nikki bruce [mailto:nikki.bruce@...] Sent: 11 paYdziernika 2004 15:02 To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] help dabrowski zbigniew Help ok im not that clever i find english hard enuff being scottish doesnt help.....just a tiny clue as to wot is wot.... PLEASE????? ----- Original Message ----- From: Zbigniew Bob Styrna To: Kresy-Siberia@... Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] help dabrowski Nikki, I don't know if you searched karat, but here are 6 Henryk Dabrowski listed here: None born in 1909. But then again, are y you sure of the year? Do you know his father's name? One has to type the names exactly. Use Polish accents on letters. The letter 'a" has an accent on it and it looks like this: "a" YOU get a whole new set of results, or none, if you use a plain English letter 'a'. Regards Zbyszek -----Original Message----- From: nikki bruce [mailto:nikki.bruce@...] Sent: 11 paYdziernika 2004 12:29 To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] help dabrowski ZBYSZEK THANKYOU , VERY MUCH APRECIATED THE PHOTO IS NOW BEING CLOSLEY STUDIED BY ALL FAMILY MEMBERS WE WOULD LOVE MORE INSIGHT INTO HENRYKS SERVICE BUT UNTIL WE TRACK HIS REGIMENT WE CANNOT FOLLOW HIS TRAIL SO AGAIN THANKYOU TO URESELF AND ALL OTHER MEMBERS FOR INFORMATION SUPPLIED THROUGH THIS SITE YOURE HELP IS INVALUABLE FROM ALL OF US TO ALL OF YOU XXX ----- Original Message ----- From: Zbigniew Bob Styrna To: Kresy-Siberia@... Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:56 PM Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] help dabrowski Nikki, Here is a the possible answer to your uniform question. Notice the lapel detail. Regards Zbyszek -----Original Message----- From: nikki bruce [mailto:nikki.bruce@...] Sent: 9 paYdziernika 2004 16:43 To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] help dabrowski hi just wanted to share this my grandad henryk dabrowski last known france 1975...The uniform????????? ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Havers To: Kresy-Siberia@... Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] help dabrowski Hi my mum used to work with a certain Henryk Dabrowski at PCA (Polish Combatants Association) in Ravenscourt Park, Hammersmith London, but that was a very long time ago and I would think that Henryk is no longer with us. He was an old soldier from the 2nd Corps, no idea if there are any relatives Paul At 17:12 20/09/2004, you wrote: hi my names nikki ive been searching for a few years now for anyon who knew or knos any of my family members i will try to keep this short :my grandfathers name is henryk dabrowski ?or similar spelling he was born 1st now 1909 and was a polish officer under brittish command during ww2 .He was placed perth in scotland where he met my grandmother(bunty) .due to family politics they never married ,henryk had to leave like many others which we know for 5yrs after war he was in paris and 12yrs later we have a letter from america the address is not legeable. They tried to stay in touch for my fathers sake gerry sadly the link was lost. We dont know how henryk carried on with life eg if he married had more children etc we would appreciate any information that would help lead us to any members of our lost family respectfully nikki & family * KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION "Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two." * Discussion site : Gallery (photos, documents) : Film and info : * To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail saying who you are and describing your interest in the group to: Kresy-Siberia-owner@... * Yahoo! 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Re: polish citizenship
grace
Thank you Zbyszek,
That is really helpful. Kind regards Grace --- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "Zbigniew Bob Styrna" <styrna@t...> wrote: Grace,got my own Passport until 2001.Poland joined EU since lots of people want to get a Polish passport sothey can travel and work freely within EU.country you are in. Closest office as they will have your 'file". This is therule. can get yours too unless your Polish citizenship was "specifically" signedaway by you or your guardian if you were underage. This happed to mysiblings so they are not eligible to have Polish passport. But I was.but not since May 2004.translation office with official stamps. It cost me $300 to do it for myolder son. consulate. However, they are written in Polish. |
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Re: udostovyerenye??
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
开云体育Barbara, Oh yes, Thank you . I see it now , it is on the top left and in Russian. ? So it took about a month from the time of the Signing of July 30-Aug 14, 1941 till this amnesty was signed off. ? ? Thanks ? Zbyszek ? -----Original
Message----- From: Barbara Charuba
[mailto:charuba2@...]
Sent: 11 pa?dziernika 2004 08:10 To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] udostovyerenye?? ? I think the stamp on the back was applied at some check point that grandad passed through on his journey, similar to stamps applied to passports.? On the front of the document in the right hand corner is what I have deciphered as the date 31 Augusut 1941.? the last digits (the year) are a little hard to read. ? I have no idea who took this picture of my mother in Poldniewica or how, or how they got it out of Russia.? ? I have couple more pictures that I would like to add to my album, but I seem to have lost my password to get in.? Stefan Wisniowski, can you help me out?? If I should contact someone else, who? ? Barbara Charuba Ottawa Canada ? ? ----- Original Message -----
From: Zbigniew Bob Styrna
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] udostovyerenye?? ? Barbara, ? Thank you very much for posting your father’s Siberia papers. Do you or anyone have an idea from reading this document when it was given/signed? I see a stamp on the rear of the paper. Inside the stamp is written? “23 . 1 . 42? “?? This possibly could be January 23, 1942 ? If it is, then that is 6 months after the so called “amnesty agreement” that was signed on July 30, 1941, and amended on Aug 4, 1941.? Did it take 6 months to have stamped signed “Amnesty” paper for your ? ? Also I enjoyed the picture you posted from 1940 while your family was in Siberia. I’m curious. How the picture was taken in 1940 because my family has pictures from that region or time.? I’ve never seen pictures of the Siberian gulags/slave camps like this?? I thought it was illegal to take pictures or maybe no one had a camera.? But it certainly is nice to have a memento like that. ? Regards ? Zbyszek ? ? -----Original Message----- ? You can view a copy of my grandfather's "Udostovjerenje" paper (Amnesty paper) in my album in the members albums on the Forgotten odyssey Web site:
? Barbara Charuba Ottawa Canada ? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] udostovyerenye?? ? Did someone in the group post a copy of a release document lately, or am?I imagining that I saw one? ? ? hania Do you
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Re: help dabrowski
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
Nikki,
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Juts double click on the following web page and it will take you right to the names. Then click on the one (in blue) to see more information about that person. <> Regards Zbyszek -----Original Message-----
From: nikki bruce [mailto:nikki.bruce@...] Sent: 11 padziernika 2004 15:02 To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] help dabrowski zbigniew Help ok im not that clever i find english hard enuff being scottish doesnt help.....just a tiny clue as to wot is wot.... PLEASE????? ----- Original Message ----- From: Zbigniew Bob Styrna <mailto:styrna@...> To: Kresy-Siberia@... <mailto:Kresy-Siberia@...> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] help dabrowski Nikki, I dont know if you searched karat, but here are 6 Henryk Dabrowski listed here: <> None born in 1909. But then again, are y you sure of the year? Do you know his fathers name? One has to type the names exactly. Use Polish accents on letters. The letter a has an accent on it and it looks like this: a YOU get a whole new set of results, or none, if you use a plain English letter a. Regards Zbyszek -----Original Message----- From: nikki bruce [mailto:nikki.bruce@...] Sent: 11 padziernika 2004 12:29 To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] help dabrowski ZBYSZEK THANKYOU , VERY MUCH APRECIATED THE PHOTO IS NOW BEING CLOSLEY STUDIED BY ALL FAMILY MEMBERS WE WOULD LOVE MORE INSIGHT INTO HENRYKS SERVICE BUT UNTIL WE TRACK HIS REGIMENT WE CANNOT FOLLOW HIS TRAIL SO AGAIN THANKYOU TO URESELF AND ALL OTHER MEMBERS FOR INFORMATION SUPPLIED THROUGH THIS SITE YOURE HELP IS INVALUABLE FROM ALL OF US TO ALL OF YOU XXX ----- Original Message ----- From: Zbigniew Bob Styrna <mailto:styrna@...> To: Kresy-Siberia@... <mailto:Kresy-Siberia@...> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:56 PM Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] help dabrowski Nikki, Here is a the possible answer to your uniform question. Notice the lapel detail. Regards Zbyszek -----Original Message----- From: nikki bruce [mailto:nikki.bruce@...] Sent: 9 padziernika 2004 16:43 To: Kresy-Siberia@... <mailto:Kresy-Siberia@...> Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] help dabrowski hi just wanted to share this my grandad henryk dabrowski last known france 1975...The uniform????????? ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Havers <mailto:paul.havers@...> To: Kresy-Siberia@... <mailto:Kresy-Siberia@...> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] help dabrowski Hi my mum used to work with a certain Henryk Dabrowski at PCA (Polish Combatants Association) in Ravenscourt Park, Hammersmith London, but that was a very long time ago and I would think that Henryk is no longer with us. He was an old soldier from the 2nd Corps, no idea if there are any relatives Paul At 17:12 20/09/2004, you wrote: hi my names nikki ive been searching for a few years now for anyon who knew or knos any of my family members i will try to keep this short :my grandfathers name is henryk dabrowski ?or similar spelling he was born 1st now 1909 and was a polish officer under brittish command during ww2 .He was placed perth in scotland where he met my grandmother(bunty) .due to family politics they never married ,henryk had to leave like many others which we know for 5yrs after war he was in paris and 12yrs later we have a letter from america the address is not legeable. They tried to stay in touch for my fathers sake gerry sadly the link was lost. We dont know how henryk carried on with life eg if he married had more children etc we would appreciate any information that would help lead us to any members of our lost family respectfully nikki & family * KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION "Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two." * Discussion site : Gallery (photos, documents) : Film and info : <> * To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail saying who you are and describing your interest in the group to: Kresy-Siberia-owner@... * Yahoo! 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Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship
Hello Roman,
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I would?never want Poland to be as cowardly as France and Czechoslovakia were during WWII.? Terms of surrender were not in the cards for Poland since Germany and Russia wanted most of us?dead with some of us possibly russified/germanized: they wanted our land. ?I would rather fight.
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Russian law is meaningless when it flies in the face of international law.? International law trumps internal law.? I believe that it was the Hague IV Convention: Laws and Customs of War on Land of October 18, 1907, that was?internationally recognized at the time in regard to?to laws and customs of war.? It specifically prohibited Russia (one of the contracting states) from conscripting you, changing your citizenship, etc.? In fact, it does not matter what fig leaves=internal laws?a country?subsequently sets up?to cover its crimes,? internationally recognized laws?prevail over?such attempts.? It must also be remembered that Poland had a peace treaty with Russia at the time, any international treaty would prevail over self-serving and illegal internal laws.
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Cordially,
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Halina
Los Angeles
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Re: help dabrowski
nikki bruce
开云体育zbigniew Help
ok im not that clever i find english hard enuff
being scottish doesnt help.....just a tiny clue as to wot is
wot....
PLEASE?????
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