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Moderated Photo album added

 

In response to Bernd's request, I have added an album which shows the start of my work on my ECO 6. As Bernd says, this forum is successful only when we share, and I have already gained a great deal from the discussions and the photos previously added by other members. Frankly speaking, if it were not for the generous offerings of photos and commentary by David Thatcher regarding his build, I am not sure I would have undertaken this project. The two previous sailboats I built followed much different methods than what is used in this design so for me it has required acquiring considerable new knowledge. David's photos gave me the reassurance it was possible to build a boat from the plans which Bernd supplies and so I am on it. I will post again as the project unfolds. ?

This Forum is an invaluable asset. Thank you, Bernd, thank you, David T. and thank you Forum members.
 

Hi Rod
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You are a hard worker. Nice that you can build the hulls parallel. This helps to end up with two similar hulls.
Good for parallelism when the hulls are connected to the beam structure.
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I see the steps necessary to build a boat in the stitch and glue system. Besides that, the system is borne of inaccuracies inherent in the technique. I stay with my system.
I am sure, in the end, there are fewer steps necessary in a conventional way. Besides that, there is a limit to the size you can stitch a boat together.
You already have the experience of which system is in the end for small boats better. The cold time is starting soon in your country.
So when you are in the mood, tell us.?
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Cheers
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Bernd
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I will use your photos as I do in publications, okay?
 

Rod, it looks really good. It does not appear that you are a beginner, but rather quite experienced.?

Do your friends ask you if the boat will fit out through the door? It is a regular question for me from visitors :)

Patrick
 

Good morning, Bernd,

Yes, feel free to use the photos if you find them useful. I plan to put together a Youtube video of the construction of the ECO 6, similar to one I did for my previous build. Of course that will not happen until construction is complete, and only then after I have had time to enjoy the boat. :-)

Cheers,

Rod
 

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Hi Patrick,

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That’s funny, this is the most asked question at my build as well.

The second one is, “will it float….?”

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Regards

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Rod, it looks really good. It does not appear that you are a beginner, but rather quite experienced.?

Do your friends ask you if the boat will fit out through the door? It is a regular question for me from visitors :)

Patrick
 

Ciao Patrick classic question? :-))? :-))
 

Hi Rod keep up the good work.

Ciao
 

Thats very funny! :-) I had a visitor this morning and his first question was "will it fit through the door?" And then later he made some joke about the boat floating...?
 

Looking good Rod. You will love the boat. I visited David during his build and I have also been out on his boat. He is an experienced builder and, he probably wont like me saying this, but he is quite a famous sailor here in New Zeaaland having published sailing and cruising books. His ideas for "fine tuning" small details on the 6 are well worth examination. Keep at it and enjoy the project

regards
Bryan Cox
 

Hi Rod . Could you tell me what kind of plywood and where did you buy it . I am from Prince Albert and planing to build ECO 62 Houseboat .Thanks for posting pictures .Regards Andrew
 

Good morning, Andrew,
The plywood is marine grade Meranti, purchased from Windsor Plywood in Saskatoon. Windsor often have a few sheets of marine ply in stock but for a project like this they order. Stacey is on the order desk and gave me what I felt was a fair price. I was happy to get the plywood here - the alternative was Edmonton for a higher price plus the cost of freight or driving there to get ?it.

I had to do some searching to find rough cut Douglas Fir for stringers and keel and surprisingly found it in Cudworth and Vonda.

E-mail me at nkosuohene@...?so I can give you my contact info. When you are in Saskatoon, you can give me a shout and we can get together for coffee to discuss our projects. When do you plan to start the ECO 62?
 

Hi Andrew,
nice to see there will be another builder of a ECO 62. All the best!

Gru?, Günter
 

Hello Guenter
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I thought you had left the group after we heard nothing from you.
Is your boat finished? Have you made nice trips?
I hope you are okay
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Cheers
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Bernd
 

Hallo Bernd
No, I haven't left the group.
No, the boat isn't ready. I'm getting old and have some issues with my health. Building her in a tent is also not without problems. Sometimes it is to hot inside, sometimes is the air to humid.
I still hope to kind of "finish" her.

Gru?, Günter
 

Good morning , Rod ,
Thanks for all the info . I will start next spring .I kind of started from top down .?Purchase damaged 2002 camper from Sgi for $1300 . Stripping whole thing . Will reuse furniture , beds ,fridge etc.Trailer is 2 axle , so perfect . This way saves me lots of time and $$ .I don't have long enough garage to built true winter . This is going to be custom made ECO 62 .Lots of changes . Still planning layout but for sure it will look more like " Escape II " from Boatahome? (built in Australia ) . Making it longer (24 feet) .Anyway making it simple as posible to built and run .I follow 3 German guys ( Jens , Holger , Gunter ) building ECO 62 to learn epoxy etc. I will e-mail you .Thanks again .
 

Hi Günter,

Have you even consider to evolve someone like volunteers to help you with the boat?
If organiser group or club and advertise someone would be interested to learn boat building and help with the project. You will watch the actual work and correct if any mistakes.
I guess there are few people who want to swap their free time for learning real life work skills.
That what in my imagination. I am not young myself and have health issues from time to time. I found it getting harder to return back to project after a long pause. So to push things forward we must to do something even very little but related to project. All IMHO. Greetings!?
 

Hi Ron

Thank you.

I like that you have directly sent photos and responses to Duckworks.?
This is the preferable way.?
Funny, I lost the article from the Australian boating magazine.?

Thanks again

Bernd
 

@catamaniac
Hi,
I did consider things like this. In 2016, before starting my (first and current) build I was looking for someone to cooperate with on building a boat. To share work and costs and later on share ownership. But there was no interest at all in a German boat forum. Building a boat is not very popular in Germany. Many people don't even know that it is possible to build a fine boat yourself and legal to use it on the public waterways.
That is why very few people are tempted to learn amateur boat building.
 

We can be short about the thematic building of your own boat in the EU. The EU killed about 80% of traditional boat building, including do-it-yourself boat building, with their regulations fury. Whit all the very complicated regulations plus inspections from a given size onward, they killed most artisanal boat-building companies (as mentioned, about 80% in the UK, the Netherlands, and Germany) and also individual boat building.?
Here 2 copies from an article and the title page from the German “Yacht” from 1980 covering my SC 435. They would not publish such an article today. It does not fit in our lifestyle* community with flashy million-dollar boats. In our fast-rotating society, standing still to reflect on an issue or building something that needs the will to learn something new, determination, and guts are out. We, as kids, were doers, building small things. The generation from now are mainly watchers. They know how to use the tumps on their I-phone but do not know what the front or back of a screwdriver is.?
I have here the French magazine “Multicoques.” It is a special edition “guide d’achat” (buying guide). There is not one catamaran in the group to 9m (30 feet). These boats under 30 feet are not seen as seaworthy. “Seaworthy catamarans start at 11 m, cost between US $ 250.000,- and 480.000,-. Up is, of course, no limit. Boating magazines are today nothing more as PR vehicles to sell such boats. There is no room for DIY boat building. As you mention, most people no longer know that it is possible. Young people and kids have no chance to learn to do something with their hands. A friend made a teacher in Alicante an offer to help young people to build their own boats. The teacher in high agitation. No, no, then a kid hits a finger with a hammer, and the parents sue me for neglected protection of their kids. This closes the circle. Have I a piece of advice on how to change that? No. Luckily, the situation is better in other countries, and amateur boat building is popular.

Cheers? Bernd

* Lifestyle? a new PR stunt? What does it mean? Everybody has a way (style) of life. So, please I do not understand. Somebody can enlighten me??
 

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The UK is not really unkind to do-it-yourself boatbuilding, there is no need for certification of an amateur built boat; it just cannot be sold on the open market until 5 years after it is launched/registered. The RYA will issue an official UK WIN for the boat for a fee without any survey being required. In practice it will have to be surveyed and signed off by a registered boat surveyor before it can be insured, the latter being mandatory in most UK harbours and marinas. Also a number of colleges run courses in boat building in wood, although the emphasis is on traditional boatbuilding rather than ply/epoxy. I do agree with you that the UK youth of today, as a generality, are not much interested in making things that require learned skills and lots of effort. And as you say, schools are terrified of 'health and safety’ issues, real and imagined.

Incidentally, the UK is one of the few countries that allow amateur built cars (kit cars). There is a ‘one off’ certification process (called Individual Vehicle Inspection) where for a few hundred pounds you can have your completed car formally inspected/tested and a one off type approval is issued (if it passes) so it is legal to use it on public roads. While we were in the EU, this certification was then valid throughout the EU. (Not sure what happens now we have left.) I built a highly modified kit car several years ago and ultimately sold it to a buyer in the Netherlands. The inspection is very thorough - the inspection manual runs to some 250 pages - you have to have a copy while building the car and make sure everything complies. It’s much easier for boats…..

Richard


On 12 Oct 2022, at 11:38, Bernd Kohler <ikarus342000@...> wrote:

We can be short about the thematic building of your own boat in the EU. The EU killed about 80% of traditional boat building, including do-it-yourself boat building, with their regulations fury. Whit all the very complicated regulations plus inspections from a given size onward, they killed most artisanal boat-building companies (as mentioned, about 80% in the UK, the Netherlands, and Germany) and also individual boat building.?
Here 2 copies from an article and the title page from the German “Yacht” from 1980 covering my SC 435. They would not publish such an article today. It does not fit in our lifestyle* community with flashy million-dollar boats. In our fast-rotating society, standing still to reflect on an issue or building something that needs the will to learn something new, determination, and guts are out. We, as kids, were doers, building small things. The generation from now are mainly watchers. They know how to use the tumps on their I-phone but do not know what the front or back of a screwdriver is.?
I have here the French magazine “Multicoques.” It is a special edition “guide d’achat” (buying guide). There is not one catamaran in the group to 9m (30 feet). These boats under 30 feet are not seen as seaworthy. “Seaworthy catamarans start at 11 m, cost between US $ 250.000,- and 480.000,-. Up is, of course, no limit. Boating magazines are today nothing more as PR vehicles to sell such boats. There is no room for DIY boat building. As you mention, most people no longer know that it is possible. Young people and kids have no chance to learn to do something with their hands. A friend made a teacher in Alicante an offer to help young people to build their own boats. The teacher in high agitation. No, no, then a kid hits a finger with a hammer, and the parents sue me for neglected protection of their kids. This closes the circle. Have I a piece of advice on how to change that? No. Luckily, the situation is better in other countries, and amateur boat building is popular.

Cheers? Bernd

* Lifestyle? a new PR stunt? What does it mean? Everybody has a way (style) of life. So, please I do not understand. Somebody can enlighten me??<sc435yacht1980.jpg><Yacht1980sc435.jpg>

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