Hi Domenico
I was not this sure from the photos. Here on from th other side of Peschici, Vieste. Onthe beach with my wife a "helper"/admirer before our DUO 425. The picture is old (1986) and only a scan, but a nice memory.? Ciau
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Hi Patrik I'm glad you like the interior of the KD I used plywood from 4mm of light oak 90x250 and then transparent gloss paint. As for my country is located in the National Park of Gargano, Puglia. Bye
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Domenico, That looks beautiful. The town also looks very nice. I might try to replicate your interior fit out. Is that plywood in the cabins? The wood seems to have a matte finish, as in ¡°not glossy.¡± Is that right? I like it very much.?
Has the fit out been slow and expensive? Or not too bad?? Cheers Patrick
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Hi No Bernd has always been in my country Peschici Puglia.
The first work? in the village and after I went down, 70m from the sea in the bay. of Peschici. Bye
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Hi Domenico
Thanks for the new pictures. Have you moved the boat to an other village?. Looks so different.
Bernd
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Hello to all From this drawing we can see the assembly well. good job. The Voyager becomes more and more beautiful and interesting to build ... :-))
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Hi Patrick
Thanks for the drawing. The geometry can now bind the movements at the end points. This was the reason why I asked for a sort of wire frame from the top with turning points and actuator lengths. I like the idea from a "rigit" construction. But we stop it hear. You have more important work to do.
Cheers
Bernd?
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I posted a rough drawing of the rod to rudder link. It is very rough. Not to scale, but kind of close. The red tube is glued in. The tiller actuator is a little shorter than the rudder housing actuator. The tiller arm has to turn through about 128 degrees for the rudder to turn through 90. Turning that far seems to be the maximum that the geometry can handle. Maybe an even longer link on the tiller side would be better. As it is, it does really well turning the rudder through 70 degrees (100 degrees of turn for the tiller). At the last little bit of turning to starboard, the tiller actuator starts to turn the link out of alignment with the rod.? I might try a longer link on the tiller side soon.? Cheers Patrick
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Bryan, Thanks! I receive the encouragement, but let me also say sorting the steering system was a bit of a crisis moment for me. I had already departed from the plans as far as cable and sheave location because I was sure I could make it work a different way, then not surprisingly I was not content with the mock up as there was slop turning to port but not to starboard. And my new sheave locations proved hard to get exactly right with the location of the tiller shaft where I wanted it. I thought I was going to have to completely change a lot things. I was making my peace with the big re-do when the thought of a rod and link came into play. And all I had to do was put in a new bearing pin. I was still going to have to change the actuator on the rudder housing to make it work, but then the quiet voice that sometimes speaks to me while I build the boat said ¡°Why don¡¯t you just use the existing actuator?¡± And what do you know, it works. I was amazed to not have to change anything. Quiet voice is right again. ?All that to say that the challenges have been hard, but I finally accepted the fact that one big challenge after another is the name of the game. I am sure it would get easier the more boats you build.?
To Bernd and anyone else who cares about a schematic drawing, I will try to do a rough one soon. It is a rather basic idea. The link has to be long enough so the rod can push it without flipping it the wrong way, so a longer link is better. And the link has to be able to fit inside the hole for the rod (and make the turn into the hole). So a larger diameter rod makes it easier to make it work.? Cheers Patrick
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Hi Patrick, just saw your latest photos you posted. Awesome!
It has struck me the size of the Voyager, the amount of work (I can only imagine really), and yet you are dealing with each new detail in a way that suggests that you are new and fresh to the project. It should be an absolute inspiration to any builder on how to approach building a very large boat.?
best regards Bryan
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Hi Patrick
Clear pictures, but anyway, can you make a schematic diagram of the turning points. No measurements necessary, only the turning point with lines will do. Water entering will be no problem I am sure.
Cheers
Bernd
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Domenico and Thiago and Lee Thanks for your kind words! I will try to take some more pics today.?
Lee, I don¡¯t think I¡¯ll try to keep water out of the tube at the transom. The tube is sloped down a few degrees (which works with the tiller shaft because it is angled back at about 5 degrees). Also, the ¡°chamber¡± that the tube opens into has a floor about 8 inches above the CWL. The bearing pin for the tiller shaft sits on this floor also. So water will have a tough time going up hill so far I think (because the rod takes up so much of the space in the tube), and if it does come in, no problem to drain it back out.? Pics later Patrick
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Patrick,
Will you use a bellows at the exterior of the hull to reduce water ingress?
Looks good!
~Lee
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Thanks Domenico, but that's Patrick's Voyager, not mine!
Regards, ~Lee
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HI Lee, thank you for the post it's very interesting for the future. Compliments for the work that you're doing. Bye Domenico
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Hello PAtrick, very interest "thing". Please can you send me more pictures? Including the "rudder link" in the hull?
Congratulations! Amazing work.?
On 29 April 2018 at 22:31, voya12m@... [k-designs] <k-designs@...> wrote:
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OK, here are two short videos of the rod to transom hung rudder setup where the rod does not move side to side, but instead has a link to allow for the rotational motion of the rudder. For every ten degrees turn of the tiller, the rudder only turns about 7.
If this interests anyone, I can post more pics of course, and of course receive any tips or improvements.? Cheers Patrick
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OK, here are two short videos of the rod to transom hung rudder setup where the rod does not move side to side, but instead has a link to allow for the rotational motion of the rudder. For every ten degrees turn of the tiller, the rudder only turns about 7.
If this interests anyone, I can post more pics of course, and of course receive any tips or improvements.? Cheers Patrick
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To all
Yahoo had some problems to let persons load photos to foren and groups. We at the K-designs forum where not alone in these. I know other forums had the same problem and where complaining. In the end it was helping! Pat had the problem mentioned to Yahoo ?with no response, I am also. Last year it started. And inbetween uploading was as good as not possible and then again without any problem. Yahoo by the way, never responted what happened, to nobody. Not special polite, but in the end, I do not care, as long as the sort out the problems.? I have uploaded some pictures from the P 95 and the PELICAN, not only as test, but also the interest for these oldere designs is returning. Logical, the are good.? Coming back to the problem uploading photos or changing the provider, or the system. I am with my web pages since 1999 by Yahoo. We where living in this time still on our PELICAN. Pat was initiating this K-designs forum 2006. We have here a lot of info. Without any thaut more as in the most ?foren and groups. For instance: weight of AL sheets, how to build carbon eyes and other heigh load parts. The photo galeries from different multihulls. Okay, my designs ?but that can help newcomers to understand how to build a part.? This is the reason why I am so careful to change to an other forum form. Besides is this forum easy to use. No reason to use an other system for photos. For example Flikr. So we have then to use already two systems. By the way Flikr is closing down. After the problem of uploading photos is cleared, I will also in the future only work with this K-designs group. Better for my clients to know where to go for info concerning my designs. I can nobody forbit to organise an own forum. But a better solution is then to use a blog.
Cheers
Bernd
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Hi Bernd,
I haven't personally looked into Groups.io too deeply. I saw there was an option for a free and a paid service, but assumed the paid would be more for professional/business interests and that the free service would?provide?enough for?amateur/community groups. At the very least it seems that all the yahoo group message archive can be transferred to Groups.io for free and any further messages also would?be saved across to?there. That at least is a good partial backup if functions such as Files and Photos etc?have to be a paid .io?service.
In my opinion Yahoo from now on is going to become even more unreliable. This may happen quite soon! I received an email from Flikr today. Flikr as you would know has been a fine service for photography and for storing and sharing photos on the net. Well, Flikr is Yahoo no more. It has just been sold off and is going to change into something else. People with Flikr accounts have a month only to sort out their accounts. Here's an excerpt from the email: --- We think you are going to love Flickr under SmugMug ownership, but you can choose to not have your Flickr account and data transferred to SmugMug until May 25, 2018. If you want to keep your Flickr account and data from being transferred, you must go to your Flickr account to download the photos and videos you want to keep, then delete your account from your Account Settings by May 25, 2018.
If you do not delete your account by May 25, 2018, your Flickr account and data will transfer to SmugMug and will be governed by SmugMug¡¯s Terms and Privacy Policy.
Read more detailed FAQs about this transition on the Flickr Blog. ---
So if a Group.io has to have a paid service to have all its content at .io then where to put files and photos? Not Flikr!
But I am pretty sure I read messages on that transferred "Oregon group" that they could see the photos. I suppose I'll have to join it there and see if I can see that stuff when I log into the group... Try asking?the Groups.io Help? They seem to provide helpful answers pretty quick
Graeme ---In k-designs@..., <Bernd@...> wrote : Hi Graeme
Thank you for sharing in. The search for an other solution is overdue if Yahoo is not willing to change to a better form, or at least give an answer when asked.? We have also the same understanding why Facebook and the Bolger, Duckworks and in my experience in a lesser form "boatbuilder design net". It ends in a bla, bla, bla. A dedicated group like ours need a strict admitance regulation which works perfect. Not possible with Facebook.? I was looking in your proposed Groups.io presence. Intersting story by the way and this looks promising. The system looks good and I was looking at the transfered "Oregon group" and have to say it looks good. Only negative point is the pricing. Because the free "Basic group" would be to less, so the "Premium group" would be the minimum.? Thanks again, this is till now the only other alternative. ?
Bernd
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Bernd Kohler