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Moderated Duo 900 Italy + wing mast

 

Hello Bernd and the whole forum
I had the boat moved to Puglia
I assembled the boat and tested the wing mast to take measurements of the 3 stainless steel cables.
These are the latest photos of the Duo 900


Moderated Re: Best way of finishing epoxy fiberglass? Workflow?

 

In reply to the question about finishing with fiberglass and resin, this my method.?
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Drape, or spread the fiberglass cloth over the dry substrate, and if necessary for large surfaces tape into place so it does not slide or get blown off.
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Apply first coat of resin with roller. This is best done in warm air conditions so the resin flows better and achieves a good wet out. If applying in cold weather conditions it is good to warm the resin a little before applying. Of course warmed resin will go off quicker so only mix up small batches.
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Before the first coat of resin fully cures, that is while it is still tacky, apply the second coat of resin to better fill the weave on the cloth.
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I then follow up with a third coat of resin into which I mix light weight filling powder to create a slurry, and once again I try to apply it before the second coat has fully cured. This third coat provides the base for sanding and fairing, but you may still need to trowel on some filler to fill up low spots. How much filler, and how much sanding depends entirely on the finish you want to achieve. I always go by the one meter rule, that is so the surface looks ok from a meter distance.
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I have only used peel ply on small components, but it certainly makes a difference and provides an essentially paint ready surface. If I was ever silly enough to build another boat I would investigate the cost of using peel ply over the entire surface. If it was possible to purchase peel ply in bulk for a reasonable cost it could certainly save a lot of work.
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Moderated Re: Best way of finishing epoxy fiberglass? Workflow?

 

I have never used peel-ply and have only built one boat, but I did learn a bunch during the build. When I payed my fiberglass I used a squeegee to spread it. This helps to ensure you don¡¯t have excess epoxy in the layup. You can also use a fin roller to push out any air and excess epoxy. You don¡¯t want the glass to float in the epoxy or puddles of epoxy sitting on top. After it¡¯s cured I used fairing compound and spread on as thin as possible with a 8¡± or larger drywall taping knife. Sand and repeat as many times as you want to get the surface as smooth as you want. Once you put your first coat of primer on, you will see more imperfections. A couple more rounds of fairing compound in those areas and sanding then another coat of primer. The quality of finish depends on how much time you want to spend fairing and sanding. I went for a 20 foot finish on my boat because I wanted to be on the water instead of in the garage sanding. I used ¡°Total Fair¡± fairing compound. I thought it was great stuff, but you can make your own too. That¡¯s my non -professional opinion anyway.

- Mark


Moderated Re: DUO 480C build started

 

I see that ?bulkhead 2 through 5 outside edge is parallel to the centerline which makes the side 90 degrees to the deck. BH 1 the center line is 11 mm closer to the outside edge at the bottom. So it appears to me that the outside tapers in slightly towards the bottom unlike the other bulkheads. Am I right about this?


Moderated Re: DUO 480C build started

 

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Oh doG no! (On the saw/guide front..)

I've found local cabinet shops quite amenable to running a few pieces through their planers and jointer for furniture projects in the past. A quality sixer of a good IPA helps grease the skids. Access to pro-level equipment does not suck. (but you'd still have to pry my Festo track saw from my cold, dead hands. They only cost 5x as much as any rational tool choice might entail, but still worth every penny; jointer-level rips paid for themselves in a week on my last house.)

As a friend discovered, the best way to use the popular $99 "China Special" Wen track saw on Amazon is to remove it from the packaging and immediately deposit it in the trash. Oops, there went $300 in hardwood.

mike

On Mar 1, 2024, at 6:49?PM, mjggjm12@... wrote:

Bryan, thanks for the info. I have read your entire build blog and found it very helpful to see the parts in real life vs. just on the drawings. This is my second boat build so I am not a complete beginner, but not far from it. I do like the curved cabin front you built on yours. I shouldn¡¯t be sailing in any more than 1 or 2 foot chop so I don¡¯t think slamming would be a problem for me either. Did you make sure the platform you built the hulls on was dead flat or was close to flat good enough? I ask because I don¡¯t have a jointer so if I need to get the top of the build surface flat I will need to do it with my circular saw and a straight edge.

Thanks,
Mark



Moderated Best way of finishing epoxy fiberglass? Workflow?

 

I have been building my first boat just small 3,5m sailboat as first practice build before taking on most likely eco 6.?

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What is your best way of working with epoxy and fiberglass to get as close to as possible to shop finish? I personally have not tried peelply is it worth it? Also is there some other alternatives?

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My current optimal workflow lookslike?

1. Basecoat dry rolling epoxy with foamroller

2. super quick rough sanding

3. applying glass fabric and covering with foamroller

4. Quick sand 240 grit applying additional coats up to 3 to get good sanding finish?

5. Painting over with marine grade paint 2-3 coats

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Few questions:

Would peel ply make process faster/allow adding more epoxy on single go so no need for multiple layers?

How ready is peelply finish still needs sanding ?

Any alternative ways of doing close to factory finish that i could skip some steps or make some process in otherways?

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Lessons so far:

On next build looking to base coat all ply pre cutting, did not do it with this build but would greatly speed up the process.

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Moderated Re: DUO 480C build started

 

Hi Mark!

The bulkheads for the Duo 480 adventure are also ready, but till today, it was really cold at the west coast of Germany, now it is the first 10 degrees above thero day:)

Cheers Harald


Moderated Re: DUO 480C build started

 

Thanks, Bernd. I¡¯m excited to get it built and do some camp cruising with it.

-Mark


Moderated Re: DUO 480C build started

 

Bryan, thanks for the info. I have read your entire build blog and found it very helpful to see the parts in real life vs. just on the drawings. This is my second boat build so I am not a complete beginner, but not far from it. I do like the curved cabin front you built on yours. I shouldn¡¯t be sailing in any more than 1 or 2 foot chop so I don¡¯t think slamming would be a problem for me either. Did you make sure the platform you built the hulls on was dead flat or was close to flat good enough? I ask because I don¡¯t have a jointer so if I need to get the top of the build surface flat I will need to do it with my circular saw and a straight edge.

Thanks,
Mark


Moderated Re: DUO 480C build started

 

Hi Mark, I'm pleased to hear there is another 480 on the way. it is a great little boat for minimalistic cruising, very dry to sail and a lot of fun. Just regarding the points you raised, as Bernd mentioned the upper sections of the bulkheads are made later. It is useful to transfer the markings for centre line and bulkhead locations to to upper side of the deck panel so you can find them after the hulls have been assembled. As regards the curved front, I asked Bernd specifically for some ideas for a curved panel as i so liked the same detail that is on some of his bigger boats: the KD 860 etc. He sent me a couple of drawings but I had to work out how to do it myself, as per my blog. I wish I had taken more photos. Anyway i assumed at the time that Bernd would include the panel in future plans but I did not realise he was against such a detail fot the reasons he noted today. Personally I have had zero problems with slamming, perhaps because I sail with never more than two up, only day sail, and only sail in relatively sheltered coastal waters. I would be terrified to make such a journey as David Thatcher completed in his Eco 6, basically off shore at times with the potential for huge seas, Mind you he is a very experienced sailor.??

You can pm me if you like, maybe I still have the drawings for that panel if you are keen to attempt it

regards
Bryan


Moderated Re: DUO 480C build started

 

Hi Mark

Nice to hear that you have started.

When you have made the bulkheads BH2 and 3 to the sheer height, it is okay. There is enough gluing area for the beams without the upper pieces for the beams, Figures 10 and 11. There is no drawing for a curved front.
Principal, I am against it. The shown angled lower front makes the area less prone to wave slamming.

Keep us informed about your progress.

Bernd

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Moderated DUO 480C build started

 

I cut out 2 bulkheads today so I guess I¡¯ve officially started my build. I bought the plans a couple weeks ago and I have been gathering materials. I have a couple questions about the plans. Am I correct in assuming bulkheads 1, 2, and 3 show the upper and lower part on the drawings together, but I build them in 2 pieces? Also, in Brian¡¯s build blog he mentions there is an option in the drawings to make a curved front for the cabin, but I don¡¯t see it in my drawings.?

Thanks,
Mark


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Welcome,?My plan is kd860o. let us look forward to it together.

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Yes, you are right.

This is why I mentioned, "Many of my designs can be..."




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Some of link not work

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Many of my designs can be reached over this link

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GREAT!!!

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montreal canada kd860


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Many of my designs can be reached over this link


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I keep my fingers crossed for your migration.

Link I posted shows old (archived) versions of your web site. Only for impatient people ... :)

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From your link I can not access designs details. On this archived one it is at least possible to see something. How relevant is another topic.

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?Hi All

Dont forget Bernd's plans are on Duckworks as above

cheers Bryan


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Changing back to the not original providers. Yahoo sold the web part to another company. They have another input system that does not allow direct HTML editing.?
The new provider does not accept the PayPal payment system. Hence, there is no possibility to buy directly from the web page. So I change back. But transferring whole systems with WOISE copyright name systems like mine takes a month. I must work with this international system to protect my plans and company name.
?This sounds like rubbish for most of you, but it is crucial for my company.
Mr. Etoimene, I also want the entire thing ASAP back to normal working.?
The link you show is not helpful and is also wrong. My company has been in since 1999 on the Internet. Other data show it. But this does not help either. So please be patient.
Here is again the link where you can find some of my plans.?