Re: All National Forest Closures Calif as of today
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Looks like Inyo will be closed:
https://sierrawave.net/inyo-national-forest-will-be-closing-aug-30/
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What we really need is a hoodie shirt with an integral N95 respirator. #smokeisthenewnormal
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Re: All National Forest Closures Calif as of today
#Conditions
I'm looking for information on Inyo and don't see anything up on their site yet but they could be slow in updating it. I have asked on their Facebook page. I really hope it isn't true... I assume it would effectively close all entry points to the JMT on the east side of the Sierra...
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Re: All National Forest Closures Calif as of today
#Conditions
Forest Order not yet posted in the usual places (the most recent is the "Northern California" forest closure order), but the news is popping up from multiple sources now.?
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Re: All National Forest Closures Calif as of today
#Conditions
Appears to be true based on other posts.
On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 3:40 PM Will Cronan < wecronan@...> wrote:
Can anyone confirm this article? Supposedly the edict came down today?
-- "When you see a new trail, or a footprint you do not know, follow it to the point of knowing."? - Uncheedah
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All National Forest Closures Calif as of today
#Conditions
Can anyone confirm this article? Supposedly the edict came down today?
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You all have convinced me to give this a try. ? I just got an alpha direct hoodie (senchi) and need to add a light shell layer to my system. ? How wind resistant are these? ? ?
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On Aug 30, 2021, at 10:29 AM, George Schlossnagle via groups.io <george@...> wrote:
? I buy mine a size up so that they're extra baggie.? Also, because they're from water sports, they are wicking material, dry quickly, etc.? On the flip side they provide basically no insulative properties.
This is the patagonia one:? Well I'm going to have to try one. I believe that most of the UV your skin sees is from the blue sky, not directly from the sun. So something with full coverage like that makes sense. It just looks kind of "alien" somehow. Or maybe like people are channeling their favorite superhero, sans cape.
But if they work well that's the most important thing, not how fashionable they are. And in any case they look way better than some of those hats (like that dorky one Ravi linked to). :o)
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I buy mine a size up so that they're extra baggie.? Also, because they're from water sports, they are wicking material, dry quickly, etc.? On the flip side they provide basically no insulative properties.
This is the patagonia one:?
Well I'm going to have to try one. I believe that most of the UV your skin sees is from the blue sky, not directly from the sun. So something with full coverage like that makes sense. It just looks kind of "alien" somehow. Or maybe like people are channeling their favorite superhero, sans cape.
But if they work well that's the most important thing, not how fashionable they are. And in any case they look way better than some of those hats (like that dorky one Ravi linked to). :o)
-- GEORGE SCHLOSSNAGLEsvp, distinguished engineer
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Well I'm going to have to try one. I believe that most of the UV your skin sees is from the blue sky, not directly from the sun. So something with full coverage like that makes sense. It just looks kind of "alien" somehow. Or maybe like people are channeling their favorite superhero, sans cape.
But if they work well that's the most important thing, not how fashionable they are. And in any case they look way better than some of those hats (like that dorky one Ravi linked to). :o)
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Patagonia sells them (amongst many others).? They're 'sun hoodies' and come from fishing/surfing.? I personally love them for keeping the sun off me.
For a few reasons I was unable to backpack during during the 2019 and 2020 seasons. Returning this year to the Sierra I was a little surprised to observe a new trend in clothing: the lightweight fabric "hoodie". Lots of people seemed to have these on. I think it was mostly people under 35. Scanning the REI and Patagonia websites I don't see these items. So I'm sort of curious how/why they've become the newest thing. Who is selling them? Why are they so desirable?
For sure they protect people's necks/ears from UV, at least to some extent. I do wonder if they are hot compared to the classic floppy hat. Having not tried one I reserve judgement. But it's an interesting fad/trend/whatever, to say the least.
Is this a really new thing, like just this year? Or did it start a couple of years ago? #curious
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I've been running and backpacking in sun hoodies for a year now, and I love them. And if you search REI for sun hoody, you'll find them. I wear ones from Patagonia?and Mountain Hardware with my running cap. They're lightweight, breathable, and the most effective way at protecting my skin from the sun. I'm a major convert. Fun fact: I think they were originally designed and marketed for fishermen.?
On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 9:48 AM Heather Lee McCoy < so_calgirl@...> wrote: I went with the Calinlene Cool hoody from Patagonia last JMT as well as this year.
I keeps your skin very cool and I put the hood over my trucker hat for extra shade. It’s a great shirt. Highly recommend.
Heather McCoy
@mermaidlovesmountains
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I went with the Calinlene Cool hoody from Patagonia last JMT as well as this year.
I keeps your skin very cool and I put the hood over my trucker hat for extra shade. It’s a great shirt. Highly recommend.
Heather McCoy
@mermaidlovesmountains
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On Aug 29, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Mike Sherman <msherman55@...> wrote:
?I ran low on sunscreen last week, and copied the hoodie crowd by wearing my Houdini wind shirt. Worked fine, and not too hot. All I had to apply sunscreen to was my face.
Mike
On 08/29/2021 7:42 PM Jeff Manas via groups.io <jeffmanas@...> wrote:
They are a thing. There are several of them for sale at REI. I’m old school, and I tend to run hot, so I haven’t investigated them.
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You can park on the main road in near the Mammoth Ski Lodge, but you must park in the areas that have signs like "A" ,"B" , "C"....... That's where all the people park going to the Devils Postpile. I did a section of the JMT, parked there, took YARTs to Tuolumne Meadows and finished at Reds. Parked my car there for 5 days. No problem! Enjoy your hike.
On Sunday, August 29, 2021, 07:04:06 PM PDT, Ryan <ryanwilsonjames@...> wrote:
My wife and I are setting off for a few days over the upcoming holiday weekend, and counter to our usual strategy, we're thinking of leaving our car at our starting trailhead. We're setting off from Red's, so that would be Mammoth. I've been searching the group archives and various sites for Mammoth, Red's, ESTA, etc, and I can't seem to find the answer to this question: where can we leave our car in Mammoth for 4-5 nights? Ideally somewhere both legal and likely to leave windows intact. ?
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I think they’ve been around for a few years but their mainstream popularity just picked up recently. ?I hiked JMT with an exoffico hoodie in 2019 and am sold. I work on film sets where I am often outside all day with no cover so they have become my everyday work shirts as well. ?I own 5 OR echo hoodies and just splurged on a?fjallraven sun shirt, it’s astonishingly airy and lightweight. ?Definitely a thing because my coworkers have all started wearing them too - a lot of chatter on set about how great sun hoodies are.? Miranda Carnessale
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On Aug 30, 2021, at 07:51, ravi_jmt2013 <ravi@...> wrote:
?Not sure about sun hoodies but my Outdoor Research sun runner cap has been with me on all of my Sierra Nevada hikes. Cuts down on the need for sunscreen substantially.
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Not sure about sun hoodies but my Outdoor Research sun runner cap has been with me on all of my Sierra Nevada hikes. Cuts down on the need for sunscreen substantially.
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Sun hoodies are a necessity on a glacier (as well as glacier sunglasses and sunblock). They are an excellent layer for any mountain travel. Instead of being hot, they provide shade and are actually cooling. You don't need to wear anything else underneath. The hood should be large enough to cover over your hat (with brim if sunny) or helmet. The hoodie part will protect your ears, neck and hair from the sun glare. It's nice if the arms have thumb holes so the tops of your hands are also protected from the sun. You will still need sunblock for any exposed skin area + lips. But, you will need much less of it - less to carry and less to get into the streams if you decide to jump in....
Melinda
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they're usually referred to as "sun hoodies". one of our extended backpacking group has been wearing one for years and claims they are better than sun hats. he does bring a trucker hat when a brim is called for.
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Tes, i seem to recall that but i’m totally fibe with that still huge Uv number. I actually sleep in it usually then wear if needed and swap out for a different sleep shirt
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Carol B, just saw this voluntary recall of sun wear products on the Patagonia website - might help explain the lack of stock:
"We recently discovered that some products in two of our sun protection lines—Capilene? Cool Daily and Tropic Comfort—do not meet the 50+ UPF (Ultraviolet Protection Factor) rating we claimed for them. If you own one of these products, please know: They still offer solid UV protection. It’s just not as much as advertised.
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Our tests confirm a range of 17–45 UPF instead of 50+, averaging 34 UPF. The good news is that even at 17 UPF, the products block 92% of the sun’s ultraviolet rays. The bad news is that we didn’t deliver on our goal to offer you the highest level of sun protection. We’ve pulled our existing inventory and halted distribution of the affected styles until we can fix the problem."
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Hoodies have had a real upswing the past couple years (and especially this year). I bought one this year as it seemed like a good option for limiting sun exposure on the trail - was actually hard to find them in stock. I had a melanoma removed from my neck when I was 20 - caught it early, fortunately, but it was a shot across the bow. Hence, I always have an eye out for good "sun safe wear" that reduces the tons of sunscreen I normally have to wear. Neck and ears are classic unprotected sun burn / skin cancer locations, and I'm hoping the hoody will provide better coverage than my hat (possibly even used together???). I haven't gone down the "silver hiker umbrella" path yet, we'll see how the hoody works first.
The one I got (Outdoor Research) is very light weight material - like a running shirt - so will hopefully stay cool. I live in Australia so will have plenty of hot hiking weather to test it this summer.
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A ranger at Mammoth Lakes Welcome Center?told me to use the road-side parkings along Mammoth road before Mammoth Mountain Lodge for a long-term parking when I did a Sierra High Route from Italy pass to Mammoth in 2019.
You can check/confirm this with a ranger when you pick up you permit (by email)??
BTW, we used?Mammoth All Weather Shuttle (MAWS) () for a shuttle from Mammoth to Italy Pass trailhead.
Ken Toyama
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