I love love my Patagonia Capilene Cool hoody. I’m not sure if they sell them anymore as they’re out of stock on the Canadian site
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I parked up there (in the A section) for a week in late July / early August
and had no problem. Probably safest not to leave food in the car, but I
don't personally know of any marauding bear history.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Brenda Mathews via groups.io Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 8:35 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [JMT-groups.io] Long term parking in Mammoth #Transportation Park on Minaret Road by Mammoth Mountain Inn lot B or higher.
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Park on Minaret Road by Mammoth Mountain Inn lot B or higher.
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I wore one for the first time this year. It was really cool & comfy for the warm weather. Kept the sun off ?& breathed well. It was great the first trip, but didn’t smell as good the 2nd trip.?
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On Aug 29, 2021, at 18:27, Karl via groups.io <karlsauer@...> wrote:
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I noticed that too and picked one up and tried it out for a couple of hikes! I got it mostly for the UV protection on my neck and ears. They are comfortable and also helps keep the mosquitoes at bay in camp. Got my from REI. Just Google hiking sub protective hoodie! Always something new! On Sunday, August 29, 2021, 5:55 PM, Nathan <nathanhowell@...> wrote:
they're usually referred to as "sun hoodies". one of our extended backpacking group has been wearing one for years and claims they are better than sun hats. he does bring a trucker hat when a brim is called for.
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My wife and I are setting off for a few days over the upcoming holiday weekend, and counter to our usual strategy, we're thinking of leaving our car at our starting trailhead. We're setting off from Red's, so that would be Mammoth. I've been searching the group archives and various sites for Mammoth, Red's, ESTA, etc, and I can't seem to find the answer to this question: where can we leave our car in Mammoth for 4-5 nights? Ideally somewhere both legal and likely to leave windows intact. ?
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I noticed that too and picked one up and tried it out for a couple of hikes! I got it mostly for the UV protection on my neck and ears. They are comfortable and also helps keep the mosquitoes at bay in camp. Got my from REI. Just Google hiking sub protective hoodie! Always something new!
On Sunday, August 29, 2021, 5:55 PM, Nathan <nathanhowell@...> wrote:
they're usually referred to as "sun hoodies". one of our extended backpacking group has been wearing one for years and claims they are better than sun hats. he does bring a trucker hat when a brim is called for.
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they're usually referred to as "sun hoodies". one of our extended backpacking group has been wearing one for years and claims they are better than sun hats. he does bring a trucker hat when a brim is called for.
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They are a thing. There are several of them for sale at REI. I’m old school, and I tend to run hot, so I haven’t investigated them.
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I ran low on sunscreen last week, and copied the hoodie crowd by wearing my Houdini wind shirt. Worked fine, and not too hot. All I had to apply sunscreen to was my face.
Mike
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On 08/29/2021 7:42 PM Jeff Manas via groups.io <jeffmanas@...> wrote:
They are a thing. There are several of them for sale at REI. I’m old school, and I tend to run hot, so I haven’t investigated them.
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They are a thing. There are several of them for sale at REI. I’m old school, and I tend to run hot, so I haven’t investigated them.
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For a few reasons I was unable to backpack during during the 2019 and 2020 seasons. Returning this year to the Sierra I was a little surprised to observe a new trend in clothing: the lightweight fabric "hoodie". Lots of people seemed to have these on. I think it was mostly people under 35. Scanning the REI and Patagonia websites I don't see these items. So I'm sort of curious how/why they've become the newest thing. Who is selling them? Why are they so desirable?
For sure they protect people's necks/ears from UV, at least to some extent. I do wonder if they are hot compared to the classic floppy hat. Having not tried one I reserve judgement. But it's an interesting fad/trend/whatever, to say the least.
Is this a really new thing, like just this year? Or did it start a couple of years ago? #curious
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"I share raw data with selected people with demonstrated analytic or data presentation skills...."
"No offense meant."
No offense taken. I would love to examine it from different angles, just out of curiosity. I have no academic standing nor do I have specific hypotheses to test. I fully understand the need to protect the privacy of individuals. But I'm a little disappointed that you're worried about abuse of the data. That seems counterproductive to me. But it's your data. If you prefer to be conservative and have it underutilized that's your choice. I suspect that it's probably biased anyway so that conclusions would be highly qualified. On the other hand it's the best we've got -- or don't have, I guess, given the limited access.
Thread drift: Night hiking.... not for me, thank you, except when necessary.
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The lower the second light, the more it will cast a shadow of the trail surface that you can see. The headlamp is too close you your eyes to cast a useable shadow. Or you can hold the headlamp in your hand---huge difference in being able to see rocks/roots.
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On 08/29/2021 1:21 PM Tom Kennefick via groups.io <tomkennefick@...> wrote:
Well said. ?The best hours to hike are early and late. ?Quietest, most animals, sun rise and sunsets, less foot traffic and best temperatures.
?For night hiking I use a combination of a headlamp and a small flashlight that I Velcro to my shoulder strap and point at the trail. ?The two light set up let’s me look around and keep one eye on the trail.
I to have had plenty of plan B adjustments. I can’t think of one that I regret. ?There is always another day. ?It took me three trips before I summited Whitney.
On Aug 29, 2021, at 10:19 AM, ravi_jmt2013 <ravi@...> wrote:
I've had to revert to Plan B a few times over the years. When I read hiking forums, I often read about aborted hikes due to weather issues. People prudently will stop before a pass to avoid going over it in a storm and then end up behind their required pace. But several years ago, in Colorado, I started thinking in terms of a day being 24 hours and not restricting myself to conventional hiking hours. So if I had to stop in the early afternoon, my mileage goals were not necessarily blown since I was willing to hike in the evening hours or start very early the next morning. ?I think that fewer hikes would be aborted due to weather that causes perceived time limitations if hikers were more open to night hiking. Actually, after doing some of it out of necessity, I actually grew to appreciate the unique aspects of walking at night, especially under a relatively full moon -- it's a great experience overall to be out under the moon and stars walking (with a good headlamp, of course).
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On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 10:19 AM ravi_jmt2013 < ravi@...> wrote: I've had to revert to Plan B a few times over the years. When I read hiking forums, I often read about aborted hikes due to weather issues. People prudently will stop before a pass to avoid going over it in a storm and then end up behind their required pace. But several years ago, in Colorado, I started thinking in terms of a day being 24 hours and not restricting myself to conventional hiking hours. So if I had to stop in the early afternoon, my mileage goals were not necessarily blown since I was willing to hike in the evening hours or start very early the next morning.? I think that fewer hikes would be aborted due to weather that causes perceived time limitations if hikers were more open to night hiking. Actually, after doing some of it out of necessity, I actually grew to appreciate the unique aspects of walking at night, especially under a relatively full moon -- it's a great experience overall to be out under the moon and stars walking (with a good headlamp, of course).
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Well said. ?The best hours to hike are early and late. ?Quietest, most animals, sun rise and sunsets, less foot traffic and best temperatures. ?For night hiking I use a combination of a headlamp and a small flashlight that I Velcro to my shoulder strap and point at the trail. ?The two light set up let’s me look around and keep one eye on the trail. I to have had plenty of plan B adjustments. I can’t think of one that I regret. ?There is always another day. ?It took me three trips before I summited Whitney.
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On Aug 29, 2021, at 10:19 AM, ravi_jmt2013 <ravi@...> wrote:
?I've had to revert to Plan B a few times over the years. When I read hiking forums, I often read about aborted hikes due to weather issues. People prudently will stop before a pass to avoid going over it in a storm and then end up behind their required pace. But several years ago, in Colorado, I started thinking in terms of a day being 24 hours and not restricting myself to conventional hiking hours. So if I had to stop in the early afternoon, my mileage goals were not necessarily blown since I was willing to hike in the evening hours or start very early the next morning. ?I think that fewer hikes would be aborted due to weather that causes perceived time limitations if hikers were more open to night hiking. Actually, after doing some of it out of necessity, I actually grew to appreciate the unique aspects of walking at night, especially under a relatively full moon -- it's a great experience overall to be out under the moon and stars walking (with a good headlamp, of course).
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I've had to revert to Plan B a few times over the years. When I read hiking forums, I often read about aborted hikes due to weather issues. People prudently will stop before a pass to avoid going over it in a storm and then end up behind their required pace. But several years ago, in Colorado, I started thinking in terms of a day being 24 hours and not restricting myself to conventional hiking hours. So if I had to stop in the early afternoon, my mileage goals were not necessarily blown since I was willing to hike in the evening hours or start very early the next morning. ?I think that fewer hikes would be aborted due to weather that causes perceived time limitations if hikers were more open to night hiking. Actually, after doing some of it out of necessity, I actually grew to appreciate the unique aspects of walking at night, especially under a relatively full moon -- it's a great experience overall to be out under the moon and stars walking (with a good headlamp, of course).
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My second Plan B hike in three years this year.? Two years ago I sustained an injury that decided for me when I would exit. easy call/? This year, there was a group dynamic that was not only evolving and changing over the course of the hike, but very new to me after hiking solo forever.? I cut off the last 20 miles of the route to give a couple more days to concentrate on the exploration at hand.? It really paid off.? Got an unplanned but much-needed zero and was able to hike objectively safer and more within everyone's comfort zone.? Increased the quality of the experience, so I felt it sacrificed nothing, added a lot.
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On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 12:07 PM, Peter Klein wrote:
Interesting, indeed.? However, from my own experiences, I tend to feel
much more vulnerable when solo and more risk-averse (e.g. attempting
tricky x-country scrambles alone).? And if I modify my plan or bail, it
doesn't affect anyone else's trip.
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With a group one is more reluctant to be the first to "chicken out".
And there's usually one person who insists that "it's no big deal"
whatever "it" may be.
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I agree. Particularly in groups of men, I fear that the most risk-tolerant individual over-influences group decisions.? ? -- John Curran Ladd1616 Castro StreetSan Francisco, CA? 94114-3707415-648-9279
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On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 09:28 AM, @Fredxy wrote:
John, thank you for the prompt response. Are the raw data available to view?
I share raw data with selected people with demonstrated analytic or data presentation skills.? I generally ask people to propose a hypothesis to test, and how they plan to test it, before releasing the data. Or to propose a particular way of presenting data I only share the fields relevant to the hypothesis in question or the visualization at issue. I never share personally identifying data. When I've shared the data with academic researchers, I avoid sharing the data with different academics who are investigating the same issue. ? I generally reserve the right to comment on any published version of the data. I rarely want joint authorship, though I do expect credit. With a large data set and many, many questions, there is a real danger of data mining (chasing results with apparent high confidence) that could easily discredit the survey in the long run. I think confirmation bias runs rampant in survey interpretation and in hiking groups in particular.? So I release raw data very selectively No offense meant. -- John Curran Ladd1616 Castro StreetSan Francisco, CA? 94114-3707415-648-9279
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Interesting, indeed.? However, from my own experiences, I tend to feel much more vulnerable when solo and more risk-averse (e.g. attempting tricky x-country scrambles alone).? And if I modify my plan or bail, it doesn't affect anyone else's trip.
With a group one is more reluctant to be the first to "chicken out". And there's usually one person who insists that "it's no big deal" whatever "it" may be.
Pete
On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 11:59 AM John Ladd <johnladd@...> wrote:
I plan to issue a detailed report on "Plan B" hikes, defined as exiting at a trailhead short of the planned exit
Most interesting finding to me is that the most experienced hikers are MORE likely switch to a Plan B. I think they have less of a "bucket list" mentality and adapt their plans to reality. I know that for me, it is more important to spend the number of days that I planned, and the exit trailhead is often adjusted to the reality of the hike
Another interesting finding is that solo hikers switch to Plan B more often that hikers in groups. I would not have expected that, since one person's problems can lead several people to exit. But apparently the support of hiking companions makes intended hike completion more likely,
Early season hikers are more likely to switch to Plan B than August hikers, at least in heavy snow years.
Men and women have abut the same Plan B rate.
Roughly speaking, even for later start dates. over 25% of JMT hikers exit short of their intended exit. Presumably those who plan a full JMT have a higher Plan B rate than section hikers (the survey covers both). One of the reasons that it is complicated is that I need to analyze separately depending on experience level and planned hike distance as the as otherwise the data could be easily misunderstood.
You may find the reports on why people switch to Plan B interesting. They are included in this search of the reports Drive folder
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I plan to issue a detailed report on "Plan B" hikes, defined as exiting at a trailhead short of the planned exit
Most interesting finding to me is that the most experienced hikers are MORE likely switch to a Plan B. I think they have less of a "bucket list" mentality and adapt their plans to reality. I know that for me, it is more important to spend the number of days that I planned, and the exit trailhead is often adjusted to the reality of the hike
Another interesting finding is that solo hikers switch to Plan B more often that hikers in groups. I would not have expected that, since one person's problems can lead several people to exit. But apparently the support of hiking companions makes intended hike completion more likely,
Early season hikers are more likely to switch to Plan B than August hikers, at least in heavy snow years.
Men and women have abut the same Plan B rate.
Roughly speaking, even for later start dates. over 25% of JMT hikers exit short of their intended exit. Presumably those who plan a full JMT have a higher Plan B rate than section hikers (the survey covers both). One of the reasons that it is complicated is that I need to analyze separately depending on experience level and planned hike distance as the as otherwise the data could be easily misunderstood.
See?
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1616 Castro Street
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415-648-9279
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