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Re: Hiker Shuttle Summer 2023

 

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Thank you, Inga!

Karina Bezkrovnaia

On Jan 28, 2023, at 07:22, Inga <ingasadventures@...> wrote:

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There was parking at the Wilderness Center and other lots last year in the TM area. Steve may know more but it's probably too early to know about the hiker shuttle. Last year they didn't make a decision until the last minute. I think it depends on driver availability somewhat.?

Inga?
Re: Hiker Shuttle Summer 2023

 

There was parking at the Wilderness Center and other lots last year in the TM area. Steve may know more but it's probably too early to know about the hiker shuttle. Last year they didn't make a decision until the last minute. I think it depends on driver availability somewhat.?

Inga?
Re: 2023 Snowpack

 

Gaia GPS and Cal Topo also have snow map layers.?
Re: 2023 Snowpack

 

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Hi Randy - the raw data was downloaded from the CDEC website, the chart is from an excel file on my laptop.

I post similar charts for about 10 sensors close to the JMT in the FB groups about once per month. Happy to cross post them here if it¡¯s helpful, for people who steer clear of FB!


On 28 Jan 2023, at 12:44 pm, Randy Carson via groups.io <carsonrak@...> wrote:

?Lange, where can one find that chart you posted "Mammoth Pass (MHP)" in posting 76383? TYIA

Re: 2023 Snowpack

 

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I use the OpenSnow app to get the snow pack information. Also gives weather and much more information. Subscription to OpenSummit also gives OpenSnow access.

Two Dogs
On 1/27/2023 17:43, Randy Carson via groups.io wrote:

Lange, where can one find that chart you posted "Mammoth Pass (MHP)" in posting 76383? TYIA

Re: 2023 Snowpack

 

Lange, where can one find that chart you posted "Mammoth Pass (MHP)" in posting 76383? TYIA
Hiker Shuttle Summer 2023

 

Hello to all,
do we know if hiker shuttle will be back this year ?
Our transport guru Steve Herr??
Also since TM campground is still closed where do we leave cars - Dog Lk area where bear boxes are or ???
Doing HI to TM first week of July and want to leave my car in TM.
Thank you ??
Karina Bezkrovnaia?
Re: How to read the grey numbers on Recreation.gov #permits

 

NVM. Just figured it out. These are numbers smaller than our group size. Sorry for the post!
How to read the grey numbers on Recreation.gov #permits

 

On Recreation.gov, what is the meaning of the "grey" numbers under a date column next to a trailhead row?

I understand the blue boxed numbers show permits avail, and what W means. But the other numbers that appear, with red circle and line thru it when you hover over them. What is that indicating?

I hunted through their site but found no explanation..

TYIA!
Re: Invite to join Roleigh Martin in his 2023 group hike of Sierra North on the PCT

 

HI Raleigh,

I recently tried to reply just to you, but I'm not sure it was successful, so I'm replying to the group. ?(Sorry, group!)

I was wondering if it's possible to join this trip for the last few weeks. ?(I have another commitment the last week in July.)

I am 62 and have backpacked a lot, including weeklong trips in the Sierras for 15 years and most recently, longer trips (JMT in 2020, 1st half of the CO Trail in 2022).

Barb
Re: 2023 Snowpack

Prapanna Smith
 

OK.? I found the current charts.? The highest?we have been at this time of the year was about 75% of normal in these?regional charts.? ?We are at record levels right now,?with the statewide average at 224% of normal.? Here the South is 126%, Central is 106%, and North is 87% above normal levels for this time of the year.


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On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 12:49 PM Prapanna Smith <prapanna.smith@...> wrote:
Let's not forget that at 257% above normal at this time of the year we will see a particularly difficult Spring and Summer.? I don't recall seeing this level, ever!? Even our worst years on record weren't even close to this level at this time of the year.??

Check out the CA Snow and Water Content Chart.? This year is OFF THE CHART!!!

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Doc

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 11:32 AM Peter Hirst <peter.p.hirst@...> wrote:
Definitely still to early to predict how high it will go, but barring a pretty unusual early melt, I would say the highest likelihood is some some long( Mile.Mile and a half)? snow approaches, such as north side of Muir and Forester especially into early July. and at least patchy snow persisting at the passes to mid-July. But that's assiming the massive dumps end with the current one.? After that, who knows: Sky (almost literally) is the limit.? I have some early season warmup permits at fairly low elevations, but I am not going to be shocked if all are unusable.?? For me, much snow travel is Type II fun.

Re: 2023 Snowpack

Prapanna Smith
 

Let's not forget that at 257% above normal at this time of the year we will see a particularly difficult Spring and Summer.? I don't recall seeing this level, ever!? Even our worst years on record weren't even close to this level at this time of the year.??

Check out the CA Snow and Water Content Chart.? This year is OFF THE CHART!!!

Screen Shot 2023-01-13 at 12.44.50 PM.png

Doc

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 11:32 AM Peter Hirst <peter.p.hirst@...> wrote:
Definitely still to early to predict how high it will go, but barring a pretty unusual early melt, I would say the highest likelihood is some some long( Mile.Mile and a half)? snow approaches, such as north side of Muir and Forester especially into early July. and at least patchy snow persisting at the passes to mid-July. But that's assiming the massive dumps end with the current one.? After that, who knows: Sky (almost literally) is the limit.? I have some early season warmup permits at fairly low elevations, but I am not going to be shocked if all are unusable.?? For me, much snow travel is Type II fun.

Re: 2023 Snowpack

 

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Shoot - typo in here. ?I meant it was a nasty bug year. ?The mosquitos were terrible in spots. ?Still I think my favorite hike (we sectioned Mammoth - in through Duck Pass) to Kearsarge. ?Incredible part of the High Sierra and so gorgeous that year.

Ian

On Jan 13, 2023, at 11:48 AM, Ian Goldsmith <ian@...> wrote:

2019 was a big snow year, this was the south side of Muir and the North side of Glen on Aug 15th and 19th respectively. ?Nasty big year, unreal scenery, especially with the massive water in the rivers. ?Crossing at MTR was interesting for sure.

Ian

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On Jan 13, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Curt Kinchen <ptcurt@...> wrote:

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The attached photo is approaching Forester Pass on August 29, 2017.? As I recall, I started on the 12th at TM and every pass had some sort of snow fields on the north side.? Nothing was especially difficult or dangerous by that time.? The stream crossings were OK by then. The mosquitoes were still pretty abundant in many places too!

It sure made for some pretty scenery.
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Re: 2023 Snowpack

 

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2019 was a big snow year, this was the south side of Muir and the North side of Glen on Aug 15th and 19th respectively. ?Nasty big year, unreal scenery, especially with the massive water in the rivers. ?Crossing at MTR was interesting for sure.

Ian

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Ian Goldsmith - +1 310 612 5649

On Jan 13, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Curt Kinchen <ptcurt@...> wrote:

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The attached photo is approaching Forester Pass on August 29, 2017.? As I recall, I started on the 12th at TM and every pass had some sort of snow fields on the north side.? Nothing was especially difficult or dangerous by that time.? The stream crossings were OK by then. The mosquitoes were still pretty abundant in many places too!

It sure made for some pretty scenery.
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Re: 2023 Snowpack

 

Definitely still to early to predict how high it will go, but barring a pretty unusual early melt, I would say the highest likelihood is some some long( Mile.Mile and a half)? snow approaches, such as north side of Muir and Forester especially into early July. and at least patchy snow persisting at the passes to mid-July. But that's assiming the massive dumps end with the current one.? After that, who knows: Sky (almost literally) is the limit.? I have some early season warmup permits at fairly low elevations, but I am not going to be shocked if all are unusable.?? For me, much snow travel is Type II fun.
Re: 2023 Snowpack

 

The attached photo is approaching Forester Pass on August 29, 2017.? As I recall, I started on the 12th at TM and every pass had some sort of snow fields on the north side.? Nothing was especially difficult or dangerous by that time.? The stream crossings were OK by then. The mosquitoes were still pretty abundant in many places too!

It sure made for some pretty scenery.

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Re: 2023 Snowpack

Randy
 

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gerund or present participle:?glissading
  1. slide down a?steep?slope of snow or ice with the support of an ice?axe.
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Have never seen this word before. Thank you?

On Jan 13, 2023, at 2:07 PM, Curt Kinchen <ptcurt@...> wrote:

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As I recall, I started on the 12th at TM and every pass had some sort of snow fields on the north side.? Nothing was especially difficult or dangerous by that time.? The stream crossings were OK by then. The mosquitoes were still pretty abundant in many places too!

It sure made for some pretty scenery.

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Re: 2023 Snowpack

 

As I recall, I started on the 12th at TM and every pass had some sort of snow fields on the north side.? Nothing was especially difficult or dangerous by that time.? The stream crossings were OK by then. The mosquitoes were still pretty abundant in many places too!

It sure made for some pretty scenery.
Re: 2023 Snowpack

Prapanna Smith
 

There will still be a lot of snow on the passes in July.? Dangerous water crossings will last into August.

Doc

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 3:27 PM debra <debrabrownbear@...> wrote:
Saw today¡¯s Sierra snowpack data - as of today the Southern Sierra snowpack is 257% of normal. I grew up in California and can¡¯t remember another January like this except maybe in the early 80s sometime. Any thoughts on what those southern passes will look like in July and August, or is it really too early to predict?

Re: 2023 Snowpack

 

If the next month of rain/snow is going to be like the last month, we will be in for a treat as we¡¯ll end up just like 2017 and 2019. In both years, I have had the pleasure hiking some of the JMT/PCT in late July and early August. Snow covered passes for Miles, water everywhere, glissading down the chute of Mt Whitney and several other passes. Some videos:

Late July Donahue Pass Sunset hike:


Glissading Mt Whitney over the July 4th weekend:


Muir Trail Ranch river crossing over to the hot springs (I did¡¯t do it, just filmed others)


I met some great friends on the trail that year (Hi @Christoph). I just with I had spent even more time on the trail.

Happy Trails!
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