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Halden, very interesting and ?thoughtful comments getting into the nitty-gritty.

Re the turning off part: The switch needs to? break any current and open the conduction path enough to withstand the voltage. Long-winded ..if there is no inductance, it is easy. If there lots of inductance and lots of amps, there is lots of energy stored in the inductance, and you have to dump the energy somewhere, usually into I?R and arcing and waiting for current to die to zero[very tough for DC switching] ????I have run on¡­? but energy in an inductance varies with the square of current, so at high current it is tough to break the circuit, or maybe it is tough on the switch.

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And going on to your wording/thinking, I am not much help, but as I recall, there is a hopefully small magnetizing current ?and flux that depends on the ac voltage, almost no matter the current. ??The primary MMF and current fight ?very hard to cancel the secondary MMF and current keeping the net flux in the core small [effective negative feedback].? All this is to say that ?your idea is tempting, but it gets more complex, ..for another future day , so? I have to stick with what¡¯s at the top. ?don

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Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 4:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] HT-37 transformer failure due to rapid STBY-->OFF-->STBY

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Hi Don,
Thanks for bringing us back to the original question and for mentioning one of the options I hadn't listed!? Turning the transformer OFF at a particular time relative to the AC voltage cycle might cause a voltage spike as the flux collapses faster than during a regular cycle!? If that's what causes this failure, how would a pause in STBY mode mitigate it?
Your point about low magnetic remanance interests me.? If low remanance means the amount of magnetization still present after removing voltage at the primary is low but persists indefinitely, then the timing for opening the switch might not affect inrush current next turn-on.? If low remanance means that the magnetization remains for a short time after power removal, then simply waiting a little while before turning the switch back on could avoid a heavy inrush current but probably not affect a turn-on HV spike at the secondary.
Here's another idea about the possibility of a turn-on timing causing a voltage spike at the secondary.? If the remanent magnetic field has one polarization and the voltage at the moment of turn-on moves it towards the other polarity, then there's even more room for a fast change in flux, and the accompanying voltage spike.
I think it's time to hook this transformer up to the storage 'scope and try a few things.
Contemplating that setup (how shall I simulate loads on the secondaries?) raises another idea.? When filament secondaries are connected to cold filaments, the heavy current draw on those windings might load down the rapidly rising flux at turn-on, reducing the turn-on voltage spike magnitude.? Turn-on immediately after turn-off means no cold filaments would be available to do this.
Cheers,
Halden VE7UTS

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