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Things would have been a lot less complicated if they'd just decided to brand all the computers Compaq and left the HP brand where it belonged.
Assuming the HP/Compaq merger occurred prior to the Agilent split-off.
Not to mention giving computers/printers the same model number as older test equipment models. Gaaaaaa.
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I have a working HP85 around somewhere.? The father of a girlfriend got one of the first ones; we ported "Adventure" to it in late 1979, but it was buggy.
-Dave
From: "Bob Bownes bownes@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
?
HP was in the computer business long long before the Agilent name came along. I worked on an HP computer in the mid 70’s for example. The HP85 was available by 1981.?
?
I believe the first product? was their wein bridge audio oscillator, model 200a, b, or c.? They made their way to fame by doing the audio soundtrack to Walt Disney's first feature length animation of the movie Fantasia.? We all respected the equipment with the name Hewlet-Packard, some called HP High Priced.? Then they ventured into the computer arena, I think the reason they changed names, they didn't want to take a chance and have the HP name fail if the computer thing didn't work out, and take the whole company down, so I think that's why they created the name Agilent.? The younger kids had never heard of Hewlet Packard instruments, all they know HP for is their computer stuff. ? My favorite scopes came in blue cases and the rest of my favorites were HP. ? Jim ?
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Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire. ?
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I think that as the Hewlett Packard test equipment product line became Agilent and later Keysight, upper management had little interest in preserving the legacy of the first decades of the company and the contributions to the state of the art, by thousands of employees.
It's so sad that the history of such a significant company is being lost. This was a company that changed the world.
Stuart
K6YAZ
Los Angeles, California
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I'd love to see Adventure on an HP-85, buggy or not. The Large Scale Systems Museum has a functional HP-2116B computer, built in 1968. -Dave On 10/30/2017 10:13 PM, Dave Seiter d.seiter@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote: I have a working HP85 around somewhere.? The father of a girlfriend got
one of the first ones; we ported "Adventure" to it in late 1979, but it
was buggy.
-Dave
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*From:* "Bob Bownes bownes@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
<hp_agilent_equipment@...>
*To:* hp_agilent_equipment@...
*Sent:* Monday, October 30, 2017 6:08 AM
*Subject:* Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
?
HP was in the computer business long long before the Agilent name came
along. I worked on an HP computer in the mid 70’s for example. The HP85
was available by 1981.?
On Oct 29, 2017, at 23:08, holtzman emptech@...
<mailto:emptech@...> [hp_agilent_equipment]
<hp_agilent_equipment@...
<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>> wrote:
?
I believe the first product? was their wein bridge audio oscillator,
model 200a, b, or c.? They made their way to fame by doing the audio
soundtrack to Walt Disney's first feature length animation of the
movie Fantasia.? We all respected the equipment with the name
Hewlet-Packard, some called HP High Priced.? Then they ventured into
the computer arena, I think the reason they changed names, they didn't
want to take a chance and have the HP name fail if the computer thing
didn't work out, and take the whole company down, so I think that's
why they created the name Agilent.? The younger kids had never heard
of Hewlet Packard instruments, all they know HP for is their computer
stuff.
?
My favorite scopes came in blue cases and the rest of my favorites
were HP.
?
Jim
?
------ Original Message ------
From: "Stuart Landau stuartl73@... <mailto:stuartl73@...>
[hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...
<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>>
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: 10/29/2017 7:58:23 PM
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
?
?
I think that as the Hewlett Packard test equipment product line
became Agilent and later Keysight, upper management had little
interest in preserving the legacy of the first decades of the company
and the contributions to the state of the art, by thousands of
employees.
It's so sad that the history of such a significant company is being
lost. This was a company that changed the world.
Stuart
K6YAZ
Los Angeles, California
StuartL73@... <mailto:StuartL73@...>
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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On 30/10/17 23:57, rhyolite@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
?
Indeed HP was also building desk top computers long
before Compaq came along.
In the mid-late 70s there were the overgrown HP9815/25, which were
little more than overgrown programmable calculators which could be
used to control equipment.
In the late 70s the 9845 arrived, which was an overgrown PC as we
would recognise it. It was remarkably capable for the time, with a
large custom chipset fabbed by HP.
Despite its size and cost, the 9845 was still called a calculator
for a very pragmatic reason. At that time a purchase order
containing the word "computer" would invoke corporate immune
responses requiring heavyweight financial committee justifications.
OTOH, "calculators" were merely office stationery!
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Yes,
I’d like to see that too..
A chance of a copy to play would be great..
?
?
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Sent: 31 October 2017 02:16
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
?
?
I'd love to see Adventure on an HP-85, buggy or not.
The Large Scale Systems Museum has a functional HP-2116B computer,
built in 1968.
-Dave
On 10/30/2017 10:13 PM, Dave Seiter d.seiter@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
> I have a working HP85 around somewhere.? The father of a girlfriend got
> one of the first ones; we ported "Adventure" to it in late 1979, but it
> was buggy.
>
> -Dave
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* "Bob Bownes bownes@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
> <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
> *To:* hp_agilent_equipment@...
> *Sent:* Monday, October 30, 2017 6:08 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
>
> ?
>
> HP was in the computer business long long before the Agilent name came
> along. I worked on an HP computer in the mid 70’s for example. The HP85
> was available by 1981.?
>
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2017, at 23:08, holtzman emptech@...
> <mailto:emptech@...> [hp_agilent_equipment]
> <hp_agilent_equipment@...
> <mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>> wrote:
>
>> ?
>> I believe the first product? was their wein bridge audio oscillator,
>> model 200a, b, or c.? They made their way to fame by doing the audio
>> soundtrack to Walt Disney's first feature length animation of the
>> movie Fantasia.? We all respected the equipment with the name
>> Hewlet-Packard, some called HP High Priced.? Then they ventured into
>> the computer arena, I think the reason they changed names, they didn't
>> want to take a chance and have the HP name fail if the computer thing
>> didn't work out, and take the whole company down, so I think that's
>> why they created the name Agilent.? The younger kids had never heard
>> of Hewlet Packard instruments, all they know HP for is their computer
>> stuff.
>> ?
>> My favorite scopes came in blue cases and the rest of my favorites
>> were HP.
>> ?
>> Jim
>> ?
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Stuart Landau stuartl73@... <mailto:stuartl73@...>
>> [hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...
>> <mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>>
>> To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
>> <mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
>> Sent: 10/29/2017 7:58:23 PM
>> Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
>> ?
>>> ?
>>> I think that as the Hewlett Packard test equipment product line
>>> became Agilent and later Keysight, upper management had little
>>> interest in preserving the legacy of the first decades of the company
>>> and the contributions to the state of the art, by thousands of
>>> employees.
>>>
>>> It's so sad that the history of such a significant company is being
>>> lost. This was a company that changed the world.
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>> K6YAZ
>>> Los Angeles, California
>>> StuartL73@... <mailto:StuartL73@...>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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It was adapted from the (also buggy) version of Adventure for the Commodore PET/CBM series that I got from the local Pet Users Group.? While I still have the floppys somewhere for the CBM 8050 disk drive (I was tasked with transferring the PUG library from tape(!) and lower density flopppys to the 8050 format), the HP85 version was probably erased or tossed out about 1982.? I tossed the hard copies about '84.??
I sometimes wish I hadn't sold off all the CBM gear!?
-Dave
From: "'Adams, Nigel (FP COM)' nigel.adams@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
To: "hp_agilent_equipment@..."
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 2:56 AM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
?
Yes,
I’d like to see that too..
A chance of a copy to play would be great..
?
?
From: hp_agilent_equipment@... [mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: 31 October 2017 02:16
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
?
?
I'd love to see Adventure on an HP-85, buggy or not.
The Large Scale Systems Museum has a functional HP-2116B computer,
built in 1968.
-Dave
On 10/30/2017 10:13 PM, Dave Seiter d.seiter@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
> I have a working HP85 around somewhere.? The father of a girlfriend got
> one of the first ones; we ported "Adventure" to it in late 1979, but it
> was buggy.
>
> -Dave
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* "Bob Bownes bownes@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
> < hp_agilent_equipment@...>
> *To:* hp_agilent_equipment@...
> *Sent:* Monday, October 30, 2017 6:08 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
>
> ?
>
> HP was in the computer business long long before the Agilent name came
> along. I worked on an HP computer in the mid 70’s for example. The HP85
> was available by 1981.?
>
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2017, at 23:08, holtzman emptech@...
> < mailto:emptech@...> [hp_agilent_equipment]
> < hp_agilent_equipment@...
> < mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>> wrote:
>
>> ?
>> I believe the first product? was their wein bridge audio oscillator,
>> model 200a, b, or c.? They made their way to fame by doing the audio
>> soundtrack to Walt Disney's first feature length animation of the
>> movie Fantasia.? We all respected the equipment with the name
>> Hewlet-Packard, some called HP High Priced.? Then they ventured into
>> the computer arena, I think the reason they changed names, they didn't
>> want to take a chance and have the HP name fail if the computer thing
>> didn't work out, and take the whole company down, so I think that's
>> why they created the name Agilent.? The younger kids had never heard
>> of Hewlet Packard instruments, all they know HP for is their computer
>> stuff.
>> ?
>> My favorite scopes came in blue cases and the rest of my favorites
>> were HP.
>> ?
>> Jim
>> ?
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Stuart Landau stuartl73@... < mailto:stuartl73@...>
>> [hp_agilent_equipment]" < hp_agilent_equipment@...
>> < mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>>
>> To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
>> < mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
>> Sent: 10/29/2017 7:58:23 PM
>> Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
>> ?
>>> ?
>>> I think that as the Hewlett Packard test equipment product line
>>> became Agilent and later Keysight, upper management had little
>>> interest in preserving the legacy of the first decades of the company
>>> and the contributions to the state of the art, by thousands of
>>> employees.
>>>
>>> It's so sad that the history of such a significant company is being
>>> lost. This was a company that changed the world.
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>> K6YAZ
>>> Los Angeles, California
>>> StuartL73@... < mailto:StuartL73@...>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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The HP-85 was a calculator. Not a real computer.
?
In the 70's (maybe late 60') they produced the HP-2100 series of minicomputers. These were really meant to interface with the instruments through the HPIB/GPIB for production.
?
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
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HP was in the computer business long long before the Agilent name came along. I worked on an HP computer in the mid 70’s for example. The HP85 was available by 1981.?
?
I believe the first product? was their wein bridge audio oscillator, model 200a, b, or c.? They made their way to fame by doing the audio soundtrack to Walt Disney's first feature length animation of the movie Fantasia.? We all respected the equipment
with the name Hewlet-Packard, some called HP High Priced.? Then they ventured into the computer arena, I think the reason they changed names, they didn't want to take a chance and have the HP name fail if the computer thing didn't work out, and take the whole
company down, so I think that's why they created the name Agilent.? The younger kids had never heard of Hewlet Packard instruments, all they know HP for is their computer stuff.
?
My favorite scopes came in blue cases and the rest of my favorites were HP.
?
Jim
?
------ Original Message ------
Sent: 10/29/2017 7:58:23 PM
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
?
?
I think that as the Hewlett Packard test equipment product line became Agilent and later Keysight, upper management had little interest in preserving the legacy of the first decades
of the company and the contributions to the state of the art, by thousands of employees.
It's so sad that the history of such a significant company is being lost. This was a company that changed the world.
Stuart
K6YAZ
Los Angeles, California
|
I remember playing Adventure on the 9835 back in those days.
Daun
Daun E. Yeagley II, N8ASB
On 10/31/2017 2:10 PM, Dave Seiter
d.seiter@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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It was
adapted from the (also buggy) version of Adventure for
the Commodore PET/CBM series that I got from the local
Pet Users Group.? While I still have the floppys
somewhere for the CBM 8050 disk drive (I was tasked
with transferring the PUG library from tape(!) and
lower density flopppys to the 8050 format), the HP85
version was probably erased or tossed out about 1982.?
I tossed the hard copies about '84.??
I
sometimes wish I hadn't sold off all the CBM gear!?
-Dave
From:
"'Adams, Nigel (FP COM)' nigel.adams@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]"
To:
"hp_agilent_equipment@..."
Sent:
Tuesday, October 31, 2017 2:56 AM
Subject:
RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost
to fire.
?
Yes,
I’d like to see that too..
A
chance of a copy to play would be
great..
?
?
?
?
I'd love to see Adventure on
an HP-85, buggy or not.
The Large Scale Systems
Museum has a functional
HP-2116B computer,
built in 1968.
-Dave
On 10/30/2017 10:13 PM, Dave
Seiter d.seiter@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]
wrote:
> I have a working HP85
around somewhere.? The
father of a girlfriend got
> one of the first ones;
we ported "Adventure" to it
in late 1979, but it
> was buggy.
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* "Bob Bownes bownes@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]"
> < hp_agilent_equipment@...>
> *To:* hp_agilent_equipment@...
> *Sent:* Monday, October
30, 2017 6:08 AM
> *Subject:* Re:
[hp_agilent_equipment] Re:
HP Archives lost to fire.
>
> ?
>
> HP was in the computer
business long long before
the Agilent name came
> along. I worked on an
HP computer in the mid 70’s
for example. The HP85
> was available by 1981.?
>
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2017, at
23:08, holtzman emptech@...
> < mailto:emptech@...>
[hp_agilent_equipment]
> < hp_agilent_equipment@...
> < mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>>
wrote:
>
>> ?
>> I believe the first
product? was their wein
bridge audio oscillator,
>> model 200a, b, or
c.? They made their way to
fame by doing the audio
>> soundtrack to Walt
Disney's first feature
length animation of the
>> movie Fantasia.? We
all respected the equipment
with the name
>> Hewlet-Packard,
some called HP High Priced.?
Then they ventured into
>> the computer arena,
I think the reason they
changed names, they didn't
>> want to take a
chance and have the HP name
fail if the computer thing
>> didn't work out,
and take the whole company
down, so I think that's
>> why they created
the name Agilent.? The
younger kids had never heard
>> of Hewlet Packard
instruments, all they know
HP for is their computer
>> stuff.
>> ?
>> My favorite scopes
came in blue cases and the
rest of my favorites
>> were HP.
>> ?
>> Jim
>> ?
>> ------ Original
Message ------
>> From: "Stuart
Landau stuartl73@...
< mailto:stuartl73@...>
>>
[hp_agilent_equipment]" < hp_agilent_equipment@...
>> < mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>>
>> To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
>> < mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
>> Sent: 10/29/2017
7:58:23 PM
>> Subject:
[hp_agilent_equipment] Re:
HP Archives lost to fire.
>> ?
>>> ?
>>> I think that as
the Hewlett Packard test
equipment product line
>>> became Agilent
and later Keysight, upper
management had little
>>> interest in
preserving the legacy of the
first decades of the company
>>> and the
contributions to the state
of the art, by thousands of
>>> employees.
>>>
>>> It's so sad
that the history of such a
significant company is being
>>> lost. This was
a company that changed the
world.
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>> K6YAZ
>>> Los Angeles,
California
>>> StuartL73@...
< mailto:StuartL73@...>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
|
On 10/31/2017 02:31 PM, Bob Macklin macklinbob@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote: The HP-85 was a calculator. Not a real computer. My goodness. This assertion could not be more wrong. By every reasonable metric the HP-85 is a full-blown computer. To my knowledge, no one has ever disputed this. In the 70's (maybe late 60') they produced the HP-2100 series of
minicomputers. These were really meant to interface with the instruments
through the HPIB/GPIB for production. This is also wrong. They were marketed as general-purpose computers. Yes, they had I/O options, but so did every other computer from every other manufacturer sold during that era. Indeed, plenty of 2100-series machines were sold into pure timesharing environments. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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The problem was the PC computer business and a much larger customer base and more potential growth.
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There was not much growth (if any) in the test equipment market. And the low end of the test equipment market was taken over by the Asians.
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Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
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On 30/10/17 13:50, Daun Yeagley
daun@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
?
I lived through the spin-off.?
I did too. I never liked Fiorina, and left in 2001. Seeing what happened afterwards, I don't think I made a mistake!
The computer business had grown so much that it literally took over the company, and test and measurement was only a fraction of the total business.?
The LaserJet and InkJet side was the tail wagging the dog.
HPUX/PA-RISC was doing nicely, but HP realised it couldn't afford to continue to make the silicon. Rick Belluzo regarded the Wintel kit as "bananas": if they are on the shelf too long, they start to smell. Not exactly a trad HP marketplace, and one that was
"justified" as being necessary for HP to be a "one stop shop" for all computing needs.
As wackypedia puts it, "[Rick Belluzo] was a strong advocate at HP to reduce their investments in HP-UX and PA-RISC in favor of Windows NT and Itanium, as well as getting SGI to cut their investments in IRIX and MIPS. The effect of these decisions was to destroy
two of the leading platforms in Unix computing and greatly increased the opportunity for Intel and Microsoft to get into high-end computing."
While it would be unfair to pin the demise of the Itanic on Belluzo, expecting Windows to run well on it always strained my credibility.
(of course it was much more profitable, and the money was siphoned off to finance the growth.
There was more total profit from the computer/printer side, but the margins were smaller.
That's why there wasn't a lot of new products until a while after the Agilent spin-off.? Of course they did the same sort of thing with the Keysight spin-off too.)
Daun
Daun E. Yeagley II, N8ASB
On 10/30/2017 9:08 AM, Bob Bownes
bownes@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
?
HP was in the computer business long long before the Agilent name came along. I worked on an HP computer in the mid 70’s for example. The HP85 was available by 1981.?
?
I believe the first product? was their wein bridge audio oscillator, model 200a, b, or c.? They made their way to fame by doing the audio soundtrack to Walt Disney's first feature length animation of the movie Fantasia.? We all respected the equipment
with the name Hewlet-Packard, some called HP High Priced.? Then they ventured into the computer arena, I think the reason they changed names, they didn't want to take a chance and have the HP name fail if the computer thing didn't work out, and take the whole
company down, so I think that's why they created the name Agilent.? The younger kids had never heard of Hewlet Packard instruments, all they know HP for is their computer stuff.
?
My favorite scopes came in blue cases and the rest of my favorites were HP.
?
Jim
?
------ Original Message ------
Sent: 10/29/2017 7:58:23 PM
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
?
?
I think that as the Hewlett Packard test equipment product line became Agilent and later Keysight, upper management had little interest in preserving
the legacy of the first decades of the company and the contributions to the state of the art, by thousands of employees.
It's so sad that the history of such a significant company is being lost. This was a company that changed the world.
Stuart
K6YAZ
Los Angeles, California
|
On 10/31/2017 03:31 PM, Doug dmcgarrett@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote: It was adapted from the (also buggy) version of Adventure for the
Commodore PET/CBM series that I got from the local Pet Users Group.?
While I still have the floppys somewhere for the CBM 8050 disk drive
(I was tasked with transferring the PUG library from tape(!) and lower
density flopppys to the 8050 format), the HP85 version was probably
erased or tossed out about 1982.? I tossed the hard copies about '84.??
I sometimes wish I hadn't sold off all the CBM gear!? I think there is a version that runs on Linux. I don't remember where I
saw it, but Google could probably find it for you.
It's possibly the second most widely-ported computer program in history, after Star Trek. I've never seen it on an HP-85 before, though. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
|
It's played regularly on PDP-11s at the Large Scale Systems Museum, though as a matter of policy we do try do dispel the idea that computers are only toys for playing games. For some types of people, most people nowadays it seems, the only way to get them to pay attention to anything is to present it as a toy or a game. -Dave On 10/31/2017 02:33 PM, Daun Yeagley daun@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
I remember playing Adventure on the 9835 back in those days.
Daun
Daun E. Yeagley II, N8ASB
On 10/31/2017 2:10 PM, Dave Seiter d.seiter@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
?
It was adapted from the (also buggy) version of Adventure for the
Commodore PET/CBM series that I got from the local Pet Users Group.?
While I still have the floppys somewhere for the CBM 8050 disk drive
(I was tasked with transferring the PUG library from tape(!) and lower
density flopppys to the 8050 format), the HP85 version was probably
erased or tossed out about 1982.? I tossed the hard copies about '84.??
I sometimes wish I hadn't sold off all the CBM gear!?
-Dave
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* "'Adams, Nigel (FP COM)' nigel.adams@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
*To:* "hp_agilent_equipment@..."
<hp_agilent_equipment@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2017 2:56 AM
*Subject:* RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
?
Yes,
I’d like to see that too..
A chance of a copy to play would be great..
?
--?
*Nigel *
?
*From:*hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
*Sent:* 31 October 2017 02:16
*To:* hp_agilent_equipment@...
*Subject:* Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
?
?
I'd love to see Adventure on an HP-85, buggy or not.
The Large Scale Systems Museum has a functional HP-2116B computer,
built in 1968.
-Dave
On 10/30/2017 10:13 PM, Dave Seiter d.seiter@...
<mailto:d.seiter@...>
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
I have a working HP85 around somewhere.? The father of a girlfriend got
one of the first ones; we ported "Adventure" to it in late 1979, but it
was buggy.
-Dave
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*From:* "Bob Bownes bownes@... <mailto:bownes@...> [hp_agilent_equipment]"
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*Subject:* Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
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HP was in the computer business long long before the Agilent name came
along. I worked on an HP computer in the mid 70’s for example. The HP85
was available by 1981.?
On Oct 29, 2017, at 23:08, holtzman emptech@... <mailto:emptech@...>
<mailto:emptech@...> [hp_agilent_equipment]
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I believe the first product? was their wein bridge audio oscillator,
model 200a, b, or c.? They made their way to fame by doing the audio
soundtrack to Walt Disney's first feature length animation of the
movie Fantasia.? We all respected the equipment with the name
Hewlet-Packard, some called HP High Priced.? Then they ventured into
the computer arena, I think the reason they changed names, they didn't
want to take a chance and have the HP name fail if the computer thing
didn't work out, and take the whole company down, so I think that's
why they created the name Agilent.? The younger kids had never heard
of Hewlet Packard instruments, all they know HP for is their computer
stuff.
?
My favorite scopes came in blue cases and the rest of my favorites
were HP.
?
Jim
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Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
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I think that as the Hewlett Packard test equipment product line
became Agilent and later Keysight, upper management had little
interest in preserving the legacy of the first decades of the company
and the contributions to the state of the art, by thousands of
employees.
It's so sad that the history of such a significant company is being
lost. This was a company that changed the world.
Stuart
K6YAZ
Los Angeles, California
StuartL73@... <mailto:StuartL73@...>
<mailto:StuartL73@...>
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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That depends on the definition of
"computer". I remember helping my father[1] to develop algorithms
for his hp85 that he used to predict the consequences of
catastrophic "loss of coolant accidents" in PWRs. He didn't live
to see Fukushima.
Nowadays people wouldn't think of an hp9845 as a calculator, since
it was big, programmed in a decent BASIC, and capable of playing
graphical games and chess (badly). Nonetheless, HP sold it as a
calculator explicitly to enable people to buy them without
invoking the heavyweight corporate purchasing processes required
for computers.
[1] he regarded computers in the same way as Bob Pease regarded
computers, for the same reasons.
On 31/10/17 18:31, Bob Macklin macklinbob@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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The HP-85 was a calculator. Not a real
computer.
?
In the 70's (maybe late 60') they
produced the HP-2100 series of minicomputers. These were
really meant to interface with the instruments through
the HPIB/GPIB for production.
?
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
?
?
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Sent: Monday,
October 30, 2017 6:08 AM
Subject: Re:
[hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
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HP was in the computer business long long before
the Agilent name came along. I worked on an HP
computer in the mid 70’s for example. The HP85 was
available by 1981.?
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This one is so far off the mark, though, that it really *doesn't* depend on the definition of "computer". If the HP-85 isn't a "computer" in every meaningful sense of the word, then neither is the OP's Windows box. -Dave On 10/31/2017 02:42 PM, Tom Gardner tggzzz@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote: That depends on the definition of "computer". I remember helping my
father[1] to develop algorithms for his hp85 that he used to predict the
consequences of catastrophic "loss of coolant accidents" in PWRs. He
didn't live to see Fukushima.
Nowadays people wouldn't think of an hp9845 as a calculator, since it
was big, programmed in a decent BASIC, and capable of playing graphical
games and chess (badly). Nonetheless, HP sold it as a calculator
explicitly to enable people to buy them without invoking the heavyweight
corporate purchasing processes required for computers.
[1] he regarded computers in the same way as Bob Pease regarded
computers, for the same reasons.
On 31/10/17 18:31, Bob Macklin macklinbob@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
?
The HP-85 was a calculator. Not a real computer.
?
In the 70's (maybe late 60') they produced the HP-2100 series of
minicomputers. These were really meant to interface with the
instruments through the HPIB/GPIB for production.
?
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
?
?
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*From:* Bob Bownes bownes@... [hp_agilent_equipment]
<mailto:bownes@...%20[hp_agilent_equipment]>
*To:* hp_agilent_equipment@...
<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
*Sent:* Monday, October 30, 2017 6:08 AM
*Subject:* Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
?
HP was in the computer business long long before the Agilent name
came along. I worked on an HP computer in the mid 70’s for
example. The HP85 was available by 1981.?
_,___
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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On 10/31/2017 01:10 PM, Dave Seiter
d.seiter@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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It was
adapted from the (also buggy) version of Adventure for
the Commodore PET/CBM series that I got from the local
Pet Users Group.? While I still have the floppys
somewhere for the CBM 8050 disk drive (I was tasked
with transferring the PUG library from tape(!) and
lower density flopppys to the 8050 format), the HP85
version was probably erased or tossed out about 1982.?
I tossed the hard copies about '84.??
I
sometimes wish I hadn't sold off all the CBM gear!?
-Dave
I think there is a version that runs on Linux. I don't remember
where I saw it, but Google could probably find it for you.
--doug
From:
"'Adams, Nigel (FP COM)' nigel.adams@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]"
To:
"hp_agilent_equipment@..."
Sent:
Tuesday, October 31, 2017 2:56 AM
Subject:
RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost
to fire.
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Yes,
I’d like to see that too..
A
chance of a copy to play would be
great..
?
?
?
?
I'd love to see Adventure on
an HP-85, buggy or not.
The Large Scale Systems
Museum has a functional
HP-2116B computer,
built in 1968.
-Dave
On 10/30/2017 10:13 PM, Dave
Seiter d.seiter@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]
wrote:
> I have a working HP85
around somewhere.? The
father of a girlfriend got
> one of the first ones;
we ported "Adventure" to it
in late 1979, but it
> was buggy.
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
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> *From:* "Bob Bownes bownes@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]"
> < hp_agilent_equipment@...>
> *To:* hp_agilent_equipment@...
> *Sent:* Monday, October
30, 2017 6:08 AM
> *Subject:* Re:
[hp_agilent_equipment] Re:
HP Archives lost to fire.
>
> ?
>
> HP was in the computer
business long long before
the Agilent name came
> along. I worked on an
HP computer in the mid 70’s
for example. The HP85
> was available by 1981.?
>
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2017, at
23:08, holtzman emptech@...
> < mailto:emptech@...>
[hp_agilent_equipment]
> < hp_agilent_equipment@...
> < mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>>
wrote:
>
>> ?
>> I believe the first
product? was their wein
bridge audio oscillator,
>> model 200a, b, or
c.? They made their way to
fame by doing the audio
>> soundtrack to Walt
Disney's first feature
length animation of the
>> movie Fantasia.? We
all respected the equipment
with the name
>> Hewlet-Packard,
some called HP High Priced.?
Then they ventured into
>> the computer arena,
I think the reason they
changed names, they didn't
>> want to take a
chance and have the HP name
fail if the computer thing
>> didn't work out,
and take the whole company
down, so I think that's
>> why they created
the name Agilent.? The
younger kids had never heard
>> of Hewlet Packard
instruments, all they know
HP for is their computer
>> stuff.
>> ?
>> My favorite scopes
came in blue cases and the
rest of my favorites
>> were HP.
>> ?
>> Jim
>> ?
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>> From: "Stuart
Landau stuartl73@...
< mailto:stuartl73@...>
>>
[hp_agilent_equipment]" < hp_agilent_equipment@...
>> < mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>>
>> To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
>> < mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
>> Sent: 10/29/2017
7:58:23 PM
>> Subject:
[hp_agilent_equipment] Re:
HP Archives lost to fire.
>> ?
>>> ?
>>> I think that as
the Hewlett Packard test
equipment product line
>>> became Agilent
and later Keysight, upper
management had little
>>> interest in
preserving the legacy of the
first decades of the company
>>> and the
contributions to the state
of the art, by thousands of
>>> employees.
>>>
>>> It's so sad
that the history of such a
significant company is being
>>> lost. This was
a company that changed the
world.
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>> K6YAZ
>>> Los Angeles,
California
>>> StuartL73@...
< mailto:StuartL73@...>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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I think the “OP” should educate himself more about the evolution of computational products, starting with the abacus. Then he would understand better. Bill Lauchlan From: hp_agilent_equipment@... [mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 2:58 PM To: hp_agilent_equipment@... Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire. This one is so far off the mark, though, that it really *doesn't* depend on the definition of "computer". If the HP-85 isn't a "computer" in every meaningful sense of the word, then neither is the OP's Windows box. -Dave On 10/31/2017 02:42 PM, Tom Gardner tggzzz@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote: That depends on the definition of "computer". I remember helping my
father[1] to develop algorithms for his hp85 that he used to predict the
consequences of catastrophic "loss of coolant accidents" in PWRs. He
didn't live to see Fukushima.
Nowadays people wouldn't think of an hp9845 as a calculator, since it
was big, programmed in a decent BASIC, and capable of playing graphical
games and chess (badly). Nonetheless, HP sold it as a calculator
explicitly to enable people to buy them without invoking the heavyweight
corporate purchasing processes required for computers.
[1] he regarded computers in the same way as Bob Pease regarded
computers, for the same reasons.
On 31/10/17 18:31, Bob Macklin macklinbob@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
The HP-85 was a calculator. Not a real computer.
In the 70's (maybe late 60') they produced the HP-2100 series of
minicomputers. These were really meant to interface with the
instruments through the HPIB/GPIB for production.
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
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*From:* Bob Bownes bownes@... [hp_agilent_equipment]
<mailto:bownes@...%20[hp_agilent_equipment]>
*To:* hp_agilent_equipment@...
<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
*Sent:* Monday, October 30, 2017 6:08 AM
*Subject:* Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
HP was in the computer business long long before the Agilent name
came along. I worked on an HP computer in the mid 70’s for
example. The HP85 was available by 1981.
_,___
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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This thread brought back old memories, at the university I retired from, we used an HP85 computer to control several HPIB instruments to do some automated testing.? I seem to recall the box ran on some version of basic. ? Jim ?
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Sent: 10/31/2017 11:42:39 AM
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire. ?
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That depends on the definition of
"computer". I remember helping my father[1] to develop algorithms
for his hp85 that he used to predict the consequences of
catastrophic "loss of coolant accidents" in PWRs. He didn't live
to see Fukushima.
Nowadays people wouldn't think of an hp9845 as a calculator, since
it was big, programmed in a decent BASIC, and capable of playing
graphical games and chess (badly). Nonetheless, HP sold it as a
calculator explicitly to enable people to buy them without
invoking the heavyweight corporate purchasing processes required
for computers.
[1] he regarded computers in the same way as Bob Pease regarded
computers, for the same reasons.
On 31/10/17 18:31, Bob Macklin macklinbob@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
?
The HP-85 was a calculator. Not a real
computer.
?
In the 70's (maybe late 60') they
produced the HP-2100 series of minicomputers. These were
really meant to interface with the instruments through
the HPIB/GPIB for production.
?
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
?
?
----- Original Message
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Sent: Monday,
October 30, 2017 6:08 AM
Subject: Re:
[hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
?
HP was in the computer business long long before
the Agilent name came along. I worked on an HP
computer in the mid 70’s for example. The HP85 was
available by 1981.?
_,___
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Adventure, the first computer game I ever played.? First, I believe it was on an ASR33 TTY on a mainframe, in the early '70's.? Later I played it on a S-100 CPM box.? I remember reading the data files, getting hints as to where we were going.? I remember something like, as the water flowed down the rocky stream bed then trickled down a hole.? I can't remember the details, but I guess that was like cheating, reading the data files. ? Jim ?
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On 10/31/2017 03:31 PM, Doug dmcgarrett@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
>> It was adapted from the (also buggy) version of Adventure for the
>> Commodore PET/CBM series that I got from the local Pet Users Group.?
>> While I still have the floppys somewhere for the CBM 8050 disk drive
>> (I was tasked with transferring the PUG library from tape(!) and lower
>> density flopppys to the 8050 format), the HP85 version was probably
>> erased or tossed out about 1982.? I tossed the hard copies about '84.??
>>
>> I sometimes wish I hadn't sold off all the CBM gear!?
>
> I think there is a version that runs on Linux. I don't remember where I
> saw it, but Google could probably find it for you.
It's possibly the second most widely-ported computer program in
history, after Star Trek. I've never seen it on an HP-85 before, though.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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On 10/31/2017 09:10 PM, Doug dmcgarrett@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote: This thread brought back old memories, at the university I retired
from, we used an HP85 computer to control several HPIB instruments to
do some automated testing.? I seem to recall the box ran on some
version of basic. I remember in the 70s a place I worked (as an RF Engineer) had an HP
computer with a small screen that saved on tape cassettes and
ran a version of Basic that was superior to the Microsoft/George
Washington Basic that everybody else used. There was only the one
machine in the whole company, altho some secretaries were transcribing
things on Radio Shack computers. I did get to use the HP
once--I forget what I programmed it to do, but I did appreciate the
improved BASIC.
That was most certainly an HP-85. About its BASIC being superior to GW-BASIC: it predates GW-BASIC's availability by at least two years. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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On 10/31/2017 05:16 PM, holtzman
emptech@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
?
This thread brought back old memories, at the
university I retired from, we used an HP85 computer to
control several HPIB instruments to do some automated
testing.? I seem to recall the box ran on some version of
basic.
?
Jim
?
--
I remember in the 70s a place I worked (as an RF Engineer) had an HP
computer with a small screen that saved on tape cassettes and
ran a version of Basic that was superior to the Microsoft/George
Washington Basic that everybody else used. There was only the one
machine in the whole company, altho some secretaries were
transcribing things on Radio Shack computers. I did get to use the
HP
once--I forget what I programmed it to do, but I did appreciate the
improved BASIC.
--doug
---- Original Message ------
Sent: 10/31/2017 11:42:39 AM
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives
lost to fire.
?
?
That depends on the
definition of "computer". I remember helping my
father[1] to develop algorithms for his hp85
that he used to predict the consequences of
catastrophic "loss of coolant accidents" in
PWRs. He didn't live to see Fukushima.
Nowadays people wouldn't think of an hp9845 as a
calculator, since it was big, programmed in a
decent BASIC, and capable of playing graphical
games and chess (badly). Nonetheless, HP sold it
as a calculator explicitly to enable people to
buy them without invoking the heavyweight
corporate purchasing processes required for
computers.
[1] he regarded computers in the same way as Bob
Pease regarded computers, for the same reasons.
On 31/10/17 18:31, Bob Macklin macklinbob@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
?
The HP-85 was a
calculator. Not a real computer.
?
In the 70's (maybe late
60') they produced the HP-2100 series of
minicomputers. These were really meant to
interface with the instruments through the
HPIB/GPIB for production.
?
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
?
?
----- Original
Message -----
Sent:
Monday, October 30, 2017 6:08 AM
Subject:
Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives
lost to fire.
?
HP was in the computer business long
long before the Agilent name came along.
I worked on an HP computer in the mid
70’s for example. The HP85 was available
by 1981.?
_,___
|
Dave McGuire