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Very, very, very sad. This archive should have been stored is a secure, safe, setting.
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Dave
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Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] HP Archives lost to fire.
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What a shame! It is sad that this material could have been albeit with effort, scanned and put into the archives of the internet "cloud"... Hewlett and Packard and the company they created was a pillar of great and innovative engineering.
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Yikes! ?Very sad. ?I manage a corporate archive, and this is what we fear and plan for. ?Although we’re focused on audio we take the original tapes digitize them at the highest practical resolution. ?From there we burn the data onto archival optical media, upload it to our DC, and finally send it into an Amazon cloud instance.
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What a shame! It is sad that this material could have been albeit with effort, scanned and put into the archives of the internet "cloud"... Hewlett and Packard and the company they created was a pillar of great and innovative engineering.
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I am sure some of it should have been at the
National Archives. Very sad.
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Archives lost to fire.
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Very, very, very sad. This archive should have been stored
is a secure, safe, setting.
Dave
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This is why I encourage saving every manual, every journal, every news letter, everything. Even if its prohibited by copyright (holding out that the R&S guys can see the light). Eventually stuff like this happens and it becomes even more hard if not then a complete dead end to trace were we came from. You simply can just blindly trust anyone with important info. I'm saddened that this happened. Its like having a piece of human intellect lobotimized.
-Lex
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Unfortunately, archival data is not an asset worth protecting by
many companies. This is increasingly so after a company has changed
ownership. Watkins Johnson shredded receiver manuals after a change
in ownership. Look at the feeble attempt at scanning manuals on the
Keysite website.
Glenn
On 10/29/2017 9:50 PM, David Smith
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Very, very, very sad. This archive should
have been stored is a secure, safe, setting.
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So now they've successfully destroyed the originals, they can no longer claim copyright? :^)
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On 30/10/2017, at 3:23 PM, lexternegron@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
This is why I encourage saving every manual, every journal, every news letter, everything. Even if its prohibited by copyright (holding out that the R&S guys can see the light). Eventually stuff like this happens and it becomes even more hard if not then a complete dead end to trace were we came from. You simply can just blindly trust anyone with important info. I'm saddened that this happened. Its like having a piece of human intellect lobotimized.
-Lex
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I think that as the Hewlett Packard test equipment product line became Agilent and later Keysight, upper management had little interest in preserving the legacy of the first decades of the company and the contributions to the state of the art, by thousands of employees.
It's so sad that the history of such a significant company is being lost. This was a company that changed the world.
Stuart
K6YAZ
Los Angeles, California
StuartL73@...
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I believe the first product? was their wein bridge audio oscillator, model 200a, b, or c.? They made their way to fame by doing the audio soundtrack to Walt Disney's first feature length animation of the movie Fantasia.? We all respected the equipment with the name Hewlet-Packard, some called HP High Priced.? Then they ventured into the computer arena, I think the reason they changed names, they didn't want to take a chance and have the HP name fail if the computer thing didn't work out, and take the whole company down, so I think that's why they created the name Agilent.? The younger kids had never heard of Hewlet Packard instruments, all they know HP for is their computer stuff. ? My favorite scopes came in blue cases and the rest of my favorites were HP. ? Jim ?
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Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire. ?
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I think that as the Hewlett Packard test equipment product line became Agilent and later Keysight, upper management had little interest in preserving the legacy of the first decades of the company and the contributions to the state of the art, by thousands of employees.
It's so sad that the history of such a significant company is being lost. This was a company that changed the world.
Stuart
K6YAZ
Los Angeles, California
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I'm thinking it's more like the original documents from the
start of the company have been lost.?The article?said there were 100
boxes of Dave and Bill's works were lost. Pretty sure many were copied and are
still available.
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Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:58
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Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP
Archives lost to fire.
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think that as the Hewlett Packard test equipment product line became Agilent
and later Keysight, upper management had little interest in preserving the
legacy of the first decades of the company and the contributions to the state
of the art, by thousands of employees.
It's so sad that the history of such a significant company is being lost.
This was a company that changed the world.
Stuart
K6YAZ
Los Angeles, California
StuartL73@...
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I really hope there are copies. I can't express here enough how depressing and furious I am if no such copies exist. I only need to reference NASA's moon landing tapes. I respect that people need to make a living somehow, in terms or business and copyright, but once that gets in the way of providing knowledge for future generations, well, all bets are off. Denying our future access to knowledge is a very very very horrible mistake which is why I'm absolutely disgusted with putting things under "lock and key" for the sake of protecting one's business. The article didn't mention lives lost. Assuming this is the case, thank goodness that didn't happen. However, we definitely lost something of irreplacable value if we didn't safe guard from this event or others like it. I hope I don't sound harsh but yes I am in a feeling of frustration. It is my hope this becomes one of several strong reminders of why we should preserve knowledge in every way possible at all costs.
-Lex
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One wonders what has been lost over the centuries.? The library at Alexandria for example...
-Dave?
From: "lexternegron@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:35 PM
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
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I really hope there are copies. I can't express here enough how depressing and furious I am if no such copies exist. I only need to reference NASA's moon landing tapes. I respect that people need to make a living somehow, in terms or business and copyright, but once that gets in the way of providing knowledge for future generations, well, all bets are off. Denying our future access to knowledge is a very very very horrible mistake which is why I'm absolutely disgusted with putting things under "lock and key" for the sake of protecting one's business. The article didn't mention lives lost. Assuming this is the case, thank goodness that didn't happen. However, we definitely lost something of irreplacable value if we didn't safe guard from this event or others like it. I hope I don't sound harsh but yes I am in a feeling of frustration. It is my hope this becomes one of several strong reminders of why we should preserve knowledge in every way possible at all costs.
-Lex
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Very much agreed Dave. It is theorised that we could have had the industrial revolution during the age of antiquity. Heron and others came very close and did their best but imagine if someone or other people were able to pick up after him by being inspired while reading one of his writings. Possibly burned down with the library. How far behind we have fallen. Very sad indeed. We could have landed a man on Pluto by now. It is what it is now however. Can't take back something that has been done. We can only learn from our mistakes. Hopefully. If there is some hope in the world for us, we managed to recover the Rosetta Stone and others like it.
-Lex
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HP was in the computer business long long before the Agilent name came along. I worked on an HP computer in the mid 70’s for example. The HP85 was available by 1981.?
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I believe the first product? was their wein bridge audio oscillator, model 200a, b, or c.? They made their way to fame by doing the audio soundtrack to Walt Disney's first feature length animation of the movie Fantasia.? We all respected the equipment with the name Hewlet-Packard, some called HP High Priced.? Then they ventured into the computer arena, I think the reason they changed names, they didn't want to take a chance and have the HP name fail if the computer thing didn't work out, and take the whole company down, so I think that's why they created the name Agilent.? The younger kids had never heard of Hewlet Packard instruments, all they know HP for is their computer stuff. ? My favorite scopes came in blue cases and the rest of my favorites were HP. ? Jim ?
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Sent: 10/29/2017 7:58:23 PM
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire. ?
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I think that as the Hewlett Packard test equipment product line became Agilent and later Keysight, upper management had little interest in preserving the legacy of the first decades of the company and the contributions to the state of the art, by thousands of employees.
It's so sad that the history of such a significant company is being lost. This was a company that changed the world.
Stuart
K6YAZ
Los Angeles, California
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Yeah really. I was going to mention the HP 2100, introduced in 1966. They had ventured into the computer arena in quite a big way long, long before the ill-advised suitly corporate split had occurred to any pure-overhead employee. -Dave On 10/30/2017 09:08 AM, Bob Bownes bownes@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
HP was in the computer business long long before the Agilent name came
along. I worked on an HP computer in the mid 70’s for example. The HP85
was available by 1981.?
On Oct 29, 2017, at 23:08, holtzman emptech@...
<mailto:emptech@...> [hp_agilent_equipment]
<hp_agilent_equipment@...
<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>> wrote:
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I believe the first product? was their wein bridge audio oscillator,
model 200a, b, or c.? They made their way to fame by doing the audio
soundtrack to Walt Disney's first feature length animation of the
movie Fantasia.? We all respected the equipment with the name
Hewlet-Packard, some called HP High Priced.? Then they ventured into
the computer arena, I think the reason they changed names, they didn't
want to take a chance and have the HP name fail if the computer thing
didn't work out, and take the whole company down, so I think that's
why they created the name Agilent.? The younger kids had never heard
of Hewlet Packard instruments, all they know HP for is their computer
stuff.
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My favorite scopes came in blue cases and the rest of my favorites
were HP.
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Jim
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[hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...
<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>>
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: 10/29/2017 7:58:23 PM
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives lost to fire.
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I think that as the Hewlett Packard test equipment product line
became Agilent and later Keysight, upper management had little
interest in preserving the legacy of the first decades of the company
and the contributions to the state of the art, by thousands of
employees.
It's so sad that the history of such a significant company is being
lost. This was a company that changed the world.
Stuart
K6YAZ
Los Angeles, California
StuartL73@... <mailto:StuartL73@...>
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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You can see which buildings at Keysight were burned by going to
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scrolling down to the Fountaingrove fire, and sliding the vertical divider in the picture to see before and after.
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I lived through the spin-off.? The computer business had grown so
much that it literally took over the company, and test and
measurement was only a fraction of the total business.? (of course
it was much more profitable, and the money was siphoned off to
finance the growth. That's why there wasn't a lot of new products
until a while after the Agilent spin-off.? Of course they did the
same sort of thing with the Keysight spin-off too.)
Daun
Daun E. Yeagley II, N8ASB
On 10/30/2017 9:08 AM, Bob Bownes
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HP was in the computer business long long before the
Agilent name came along. I worked on an HP computer in the
mid 70’s for example. The HP85 was available by 1981.?
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I believe the first product? was their wein
bridge audio oscillator, model 200a, b, or c.? They
made their way to fame by doing the audio soundtrack
to Walt Disney's first feature length animation of
the movie Fantasia.? We all respected the equipment
with the name Hewlet-Packard, some called HP High
Priced.? Then they ventured into the computer arena,
I think the reason they changed names, they didn't
want to take a chance and have the HP name fail if
the computer thing didn't work out, and take the
whole company down, so I think that's why they
created the name Agilent.? The younger kids had
never heard of Hewlet Packard instruments, all they
know HP for is their computer stuff.
?
My favorite scopes came in blue cases and the
rest of my favorites were HP.
?
Jim
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------ Original Message ------
Sent: 10/29/2017 7:58:23 PM
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP Archives
lost to fire.
?
?
I
think that as the Hewlett Packard test
equipment product line became Agilent
and later Keysight, upper management had
little interest in preserving the legacy
of the first decades of the company and
the contributions to the state of the
art, by thousands of employees.
It's so sad that the history of such
a significant company is being lost.
This was a company that changed the
world.
Stuart
K6YAZ
Los Angeles,
California
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On 30/10/17 13:50, Daun Yeagley
daun@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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I lived through the spin-off.?
I did too. I never liked Fiorina, and left in 2001. Seeing what
happened afterwards, I don't think I made a mistake!
The computer business had grown so much that it literally
took over the company, and test and measurement was only a
fraction of the total business.?
The LaserJet and InkJet side was the tail wagging the dog.
HPUX/PA-RISC was doing nicely, but HP realised it couldn't afford to
continue to make the silicon. Rick Belluzo regarded the Wintel kit
as "bananas": if they are on the shelf too long, they start to
smell. Not exactly a trad HP marketplace, and one that was
"justified" as being necessary for HP to be a "one stop shop" for
all computing needs.
As wackypedia puts it, "[Rick Belluzo] was a strong advocate at HP
to reduce their investments in HP-UX and PA-RISC in favor of Windows
NT and Itanium, as well as getting SGI to cut their investments in
IRIX and MIPS. The effect of these decisions was to destroy two of
the leading platforms in Unix computing and greatly increased the
opportunity for Intel and Microsoft to get into high-end computing."
While it would be unfair to pin the demise of the Itanic on Belluzo,
expecting Windows to run well on it always strained my credibility.
(of course it was much more profitable, and the money was
siphoned off to finance the growth.
There was more total profit from the computer/printer side, but the
margins were smaller.
That's why there wasn't a lot of new products until a
while after the Agilent spin-off.? Of course they did the
same sort of thing with the Keysight spin-off too.)
Daun
Daun E. Yeagley II, N8ASB
On 10/30/2017 9:08 AM, Bob
Bownes bownes@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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HP was in the computer business long long before
the Agilent name came along. I worked on an HP
computer in the mid 70’s for example. The HP85 was
available by 1981.?
?
I believe the first product? was their wein
bridge audio oscillator, model 200a, b, or c.?
They made their way to fame by doing the audio
soundtrack to Walt Disney's first feature length
animation of the movie Fantasia.? We all
respected the equipment with the name
Hewlet-Packard, some called HP High Priced.?
Then they ventured into the computer arena, I
think the reason they changed names, they didn't
want to take a chance and have the HP name fail
if the computer thing didn't work out, and take
the whole company down, so I think that's why
they created the name Agilent.? The younger kids
had never heard of Hewlet Packard instruments,
all they know HP for is their computer stuff.
?
My favorite scopes came in blue cases and the
rest of my favorites were HP.
?
Jim
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------ Original Message ------
Sent: 10/29/2017 7:58:23 PM
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP
Archives lost to fire.
?
?
I
think that as the Hewlett Packard
test equipment product line became
Agilent and later Keysight, upper
management had little interest in
preserving the legacy of the first
decades of the company and the
contributions to the state of the
art, by thousands of employees.
It's so sad that the history of
such a significant company is being
lost. This was a company that
changed the world.
Stuart
K6YAZ
Los Angeles,
California
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I have an HP200LX palm top computer. Indeed HP was also building desk top computers long before Compaq came along. What a debacle Carley Fiorini created.
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Dave Smith
Glydeck
bownes
Dave McGuire
RFI-EMI-GUY