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Re: 8340A Fault - ADC
I read the broken A27 schematic, some ADC sub blocks are overlay on top of other -- what a mess!!! However some blocks are readable. If I have the instrument, I would first check the ADC clock generator U6B and particular the RC feedback network C32 and R21. Don't know what type of cap C32 is. If it's a electrolytic, it may just be leaking causing it not to oscillate therefore no clock to ADC. Calvin
On Monday, October 23, 2017, 12:21:27 PM PDT, Tobias Pluess tobias.pluess@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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Hi Calvin unfortunately, I've got no 8340 to offer. However, I have a large collection of old and obsolete ICs.
If you tell me what you need, I can have a look.
The 7533 is available from Maxim, the other parts I don't know whether I can find one.
I can have a look tomorrow :-)
However, I would first try some more debugging to see whether the fault is somewhere else, and not in the ADCs.
Tobias
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From: "Calvin Guan guancalvin@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
Date: 10/23/17 21:09 (GMT+01:00)
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: 8340A Fault - ADC
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You guys are awesome!!!
I will carefully read the ADC's datasheet to see if there is any viable substitute for it. My repair stories so far is always in RF and pure analog path. This is certainly a challenge for me given that the part is not readily available. I'll see if I can
negotiate a good price with the seller that worth the trouble.
What is the fair price you would offer for a non-defective 8340 if you guys don't mind...
Thanks again!
Calvin
On Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:52:01 AM PDT, lexternegron@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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Hello Tobias, Oops. (facepalms) and I was looking at your post too! (facepalms harder). Confused your post with Tam Hanna. XD That'll do as a replacement. As for the ADC, I concur about availability. I'll have to check later on. The data book posted should be useful
in knowing electrical characteristics. As for physical ones, you may have to get creative while looking for a size flexible replacement. Maybe on some of the electrical characteristics as well.
-Lex
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Re: Distribution divider/amplifier for 10MHz GPSDO
开云体育I can vouch for the Demi distribution amps. I have four of them feeding all the test equipment in my shop and they’ve worked flawlessly for several years now.?Steve WB0DBS On Oct 23, 2017, at 6:32 PM, 'Leon Vogt' leevogt@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:
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Re: Distribution divider/amplifier for 10MHz GPSDO
开云体育Rich: I just checked out The Demi Distribution amp you recommended to use on my ?Leo Bodnar GPS Disciplined Oscillator as it outputs only two software adjustable channels from 450 Hz to 800 MHz – I will be using one 10MHZ output to precision time multiple sync inputs - and this D.A. Looked ideal. Unfortunately the vendor is sold out and is quoting ?seven week ?unavailability. This looks like an excellent product from the specs and I have marked my calendar. Thank you for the heads up. Lee |
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I, too, would be interested in a copy of your spreadsheet. I have a T-200/500 kit and have been trying to obtain a copy of the general instructions for the kit for some time.? I believe the TYCO P/N for these instructions is 408-8677.? I tried to order a copy of this document from the company, but have had no response.? I reordered on 2/6/15, but still no response. Nevertheless, I was able to download the instructions for specific individual connectors from their website. The T-200/500 kit is for installation of OSM (SMA) connectors on 0.085-inch and 0.141-inch cables. Bruce, KG6OJI |
Re: 8340A Fault - ADC
开云体育Hi, if the 5018 is needed, I have some pulls here in good condition. Regards, Jochen DH6FAZ Am 23.10.2017 um 21:21 schrieb Tobias
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Re: Distribution divider/amplifier for 10MHz GPSDO
We used these at the TV stations that I worked for.
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The inputs "loop through". There is only one output from the amplifier, it goes to eight BNC connectors with a 75 Ohm isolating resistor between the output amplifier and each of the six output connector. The dual power supplies provide power redundancy, the frame properly operate on one supply. You can adjust the gain on each module. Other amplifier modules allow you to adjust the "tilt" of the signal to compensate for long coax runs. The modules are hot swapable. These were very reliable and the only problems I had were power supply capacitors. Glenn On 10/23/2017 3:08 PM, Dennis Czelusniak czelusniakd@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
I use GRASS VALLEY GROUP VIDEO DISTRIBUTION AMP. There are a variety of plugins available for these units. I use 8500-8501 with excellent results. I find most test equipment will massage it's input REF so something not symmetrical will suffice. Watch ebay, they come up cheap. The home TV distribution amps are what I shovel out of the barn on a daily basis. There is one fully loaded for $30. with the 8501 cards, eBay item number:182839360311 exactly what I use. --
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Re: 8340A Fault - ADC
开云体育Hi Calvinunfortunately, I've got no 8340 to offer. However, I have a large collection of old and obsolete ICs.
If you tell me what you need, I can have a look.
The 7533 is available from Maxim, the other parts I don't know whether I can find one.
I can have a look tomorrow :-)
However, I would first try some more debugging to see whether the fault is somewhere else, and not in the ADCs.
Tobias
-------- Original message --------
From: "Calvin Guan guancalvin@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
Date: 10/23/17 21:09 (GMT+01:00)
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: 8340A Fault - ADC
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You guys are awesome!!!
I will carefully read the ADC's datasheet to see if there is any viable substitute for it. My repair stories so far is always in RF and pure analog path. This is certainly a challenge for me given that the part is not readily available. I'll see if I can
negotiate a good price with the seller that worth the trouble.
What is the fair price you would offer for a non-defective 8340 if you guys don't mind...
Thanks again!
Calvin
On Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:52:01 AM PDT, lexternegron@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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Hello Tobias, Oops. (facepalms) and I was looking at your post too! (facepalms harder). Confused your post with Tam Hanna. XD That'll do as a replacement. As for the ADC, I concur about availability. I'll have to check later on. The data book posted should be useful
in knowing electrical characteristics. As for physical ones, you may have to get creative while looking for a size flexible replacement. Maybe on some of the electrical characteristics as well.
-Lex
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Re: Distribution divider/amplifier for 10MHz GPSDO
I use GRASS VALLEY GROUP VIDEO DISTRIBUTION AMP. There are a variety of plugins available for these units. I use 8500-8501 with excellent results. I find most test equipment will massage it's input REF so something not symmetrical will suffice. Watch ebay, they come up cheap. The home TV distribution amps are what I shovel out of the barn on a daily basis. There is one fully loaded for $30. with the 8501 cards, eBay item number:182839360311 exactly what I use.
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Dennis -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 10/23/17, Gedas w8bya@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Distribution divider/amplifier for 10MHz GPSDO To: hp_agilent_equipment@... Date: Monday, October 23, 2017, 2:07 PM Be careful with the amplifier you pick up. Early on I had the same idea and bought a cheap Asian unit and found out that it only had enough BW for a 6-7 MHz B/W video signal. Another thing to consider is if your output source is analog or digital. My GPS based unit provides a nice sine wave so it's requirements are a lot less strict than if a square wave signal was being used. Gedas, W8BYA Gallery at Light travels faster than sound.... This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. On 10/23/2017 12:50 PM, Dave Casey polara413@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote: ? I have heard that a popular solution is to use inexpensive video distribution amplifiers after changing the terminations from 75 to 50 ohms. This is what I was planning to do as well. Dave Casey On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:43 AM, 'Paul Bicknell' paul@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote: ? Hi Regarding ddistribution divider/amplifier for 10 MHz in the past I have talked to others on this subject and the consensus was that the frequency response of the amplifier must be grater than 10 times ?that of the reference frequency to prevent distortion and lag we ended up using transistors that where good for 450 MHz for a 10 MHz reference ? regards Paul B From: hp_agilent_equipment@ yahoogroups.com [mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@ yahoogroups.com] Sent: 23 October 2017 13:39 To: hp_agilent_equipment@ yahoogroups.com Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Distribution divider/amplifier for 10MHz GPSDO ? ? Hello group. I`m intending to distribute, via 50 Ohm coax, frequency reference signals to my test equipment in my test bay [no relation to eBay, except that most of the equipment came from there]. I`ll be using RG58/U coax, and 50 ohm terminations, with the highest reasonable signal level reticulated. Given that the name of the game seems to be to avoid any severe reduction in SNR of the 10MHz signal comming out of the GPSDO, by the logic dividers, and impedance lowering buffer amplifiers, what considerations should be made regarding the choice of logic families, and transistors to be used? The frequencies required by the test equipment vary from 500kHz to 10MHz, and amplitudes from 100mV P-P sinewave, to 5V peak squarewave. How good must the PSU be to stop the rot getting worse, and is 1/f noise in the active devices important? Your thoughts will be appreciated. P.S.: How accurate is the Trimble Thunderbolt for this application?.................. ............................ Thankyou,............Don Collie. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4782/15063 - Release Date: 10/23/17 |
Re: 8340A Fault - ADC
You guys are awesome!!! I will carefully read the ADC's datasheet to see if there is any viable substitute for it. My repair stories so far is always in RF and pure analog path. This is certainly a challenge for me given that the part is not readily available. I'll see if I can negotiate a good price with the seller that worth the trouble. What is the fair price you would offer for a non-defective 8340 if you guys don't mind... Thanks again! Calvin
On Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:52:01 AM PDT, lexternegron@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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Hello Tobias, Oops. (facepalms) and I was looking at your post too! (facepalms harder). Confused your post with Tam Hanna. XD That'll do as a replacement. As for the ADC, I concur about availability. I'll have to check later on. The data book posted should be useful in knowing electrical characteristics. As for physical ones, you may have to get creative while looking for a size flexible replacement. Maybe on some of the electrical characteristics as well. -Lex
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Re: Distribution divider/amplifier for 10MHz GPSDO
开云体育Be careful with the amplifier you pick up. Early
on I had the same idea and bought a cheap Asian unit and found
out that it only had enough BW for a 6-7 MHz B/W video signal.
Another thing to consider is if your output source is analog or
digital. My GPS based unit provides a nice sine wave so it's
requirements are a lot less strict than if a square wave signal
was being used. Gedas, W8BYA Gallery at Light travels faster than sound.... This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. On 10/23/2017 12:50 PM, Dave Casey
polara413@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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Re: Distribution divider/amplifier for 10MHz GPSDO
If this is for routine use to have all the gear synchronized and show?consistent frequencies, then you don't need anything fancy. Pick the reference output from one of the instruments, that seems the best, or use an external OCXO box. If you need very precise and stable references, then use a GPSDO or such, depending on the need. A video distribution amp should suffice - I wouldn't even worry about the 75 versus 50 ohm issue, unless the reference cables?need to go a considerable distance. ? I'd recommend 74HC logic for any squaring-up and dividing requirements. It's probably the easiest to implement with, of all the families. ? If you need it to be really really good, for high stability, precision frequency/phase measurements and comparisons, then visit the time-nuts group to see what they're about. In that world, everything matters in striving for perfection. Be prepared to suffer from time/frequency precision envy, but be happy if your application is more mundane, and you don't have to worry about so much. ? Ed |