Re: I bought a working HP3400A, however it doesn't.
Mikek – ? Te Magyar vagy? - Mihaly ? Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 848-245-9115 ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Mikek Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 12:09 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] I bought a working HP3400A, however it doesn't. ? I once was given a non working MFJ 259, I replaced diodes in the front end and got it working.
I gave the $60, he was thunderstruck.
???????????????????????????????? Mikek
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Re: I bought a working HP3400A, however it doesn't.
Years ago, I bought a power meter from a
test equipment vendor on ebay.
This was listed as for parts, will not power up.
When it arrived, it did not appear to power up.
While checking it out I found the 110/220 power switch selector in
the 220 Volt position.
This was from a US company and it was shipped to a US address.
This did not fix the "problem".
What finally fixed the problem was to adjust the contrast control
ob the rear panel.
Did I feel bad for the seller, no.
He should have known how to setup the equipment as he made his
living selling test equipment.
I just considered it a good deal and continue to use it.
Glenn
On 8/24/2022 11:17 PM, Jeff Kruth via
groups.io wrote:
Wasnt really "broken" as contact cleaner fixed it.
C'mon on now. If you had sold it and it worked on your
bench, you would be pissed to read this exchange! Actual
gloating.
In a message dated 8/24/2022 11:15:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mcguire@... writes:
?
? The seller sold something that was apparently represented
as working,
but was in fact broken, and gave the buyer a partial refund
as
compensation.? Sounds reasonable to me.
? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave
On 8/24/22 23:12, Jeff Kruth via groups.io wrote:
> Interesting: the seller gets ripped-off and "its a
great deal".
> It sucks to sell on eBay.? The meter was probably
jostled around in
> shipping and just needed cleaned up, like most 50-60
year old test
> gear.... May your next item crap out after 60 days to
preserve the
> balance of the universe.
> Wow.
> JK
>
> In a message dated 8/24/2022 9:49:58 PM Eastern
Standard Time,
> mcguire@...
writes:
> On 8/24/22 21:45, Mikek wrote:
>? > You were right, I cleaned the range switch and
every range started
>? > working as it should.
>? > This worked out well. I paid $99 for the meter,
but when it didn't work,
>? > I start a return process.
>? > I also sent a message hope to renegotiate the
price on a non working
>? > meter. It had been a day
>? > and I hadn't any response, so I called him. He
had not seen my message,
>? > he read it, seeing I offered $30,
>? > he said that was fine, and returned the
difference and some tax. With
>? > shipping, I have $55 into the meter.
>? > This worked out well.
>
>? ? Wow, that's a nice deal.? The 3400A is a very good
meter.
>
>? ? A little "TLC" goes a long way with HP gear of that
era.? It was
> built to be maintained.
>
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
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Re: I bought a working HP3400A, however it doesn't.
>Some time ago a guy gave me a radio for free. It was not working, but I managed to fix it and sold it for $300. I gave the guy that gave it to me $150. He was not expecting it or wanted it, but it was what I wanted>
I once was given a non working MFJ 259, I replaced diodes in the front end and got it working.
I gave the $60, he was thunderstruck.
???????????????????????????????? Mikek
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Re: I bought a working HP3400A, however it doesn't.
Ebay is trying to improve their image. They want their
sellers to stop playing "catch me if you can" and trade fairly.
Ebay doesn't want their buyers to worry about being cheated
out of their money... They simply want them to buy and buy and buy...
Ebay gave sellers essentially three categories to use when
selling on their platform:
New (working), Used (working) and For parts or repair.
Ebay makes sellers guarantee that their items are listed for
sale in the correct category.
If you sell something on ebay as used, and you don't know it
to be in good working order, you are gambling: Your bet is
that your item works, your stake is the price of return shipping.
I love it that you are ethical, Mike.
I too try to live my life ethically. But I don't believe that
living ethically requires one to be a sucker.
If you believe that living ethically requires you to also be a
sucker, then yes, our values and ethics are different.
-Chuck Harris
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 08:52:21 -0400 "Mike Feher" <n4fs@...> wrote: I only bought stuff from HP direct a long time ago. Of course all of
that was new and never had any issues. I do not take advantage of any
individual. If I buy something at a hamfest, unless it is something
from a friend, I just assume it does not work and take a chance. Now
at 77, I can tell you I have bought plenty. On reflectors, the only
guy I ever had an issue with was Lothar. Some time ago a guy gave me
a radio for free. It was not working, but I managed to fix it and
sold it for $300. I gave the guy that gave it to me $150. He was not
expecting it or wanted it, but it was what I wanted. With about
10,000 transactions on eBay, I maybe had issues with a handful of
sellers. Maybe your values and ethics are different. 73 – Mike
Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell NJ 07731
848-245-9115
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From: [email protected]
<[email protected]> On Behalf Of Chuck Harris
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 7:45 AM To:
[email protected] Subject: Re:
[HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] I bought a working HP3400A, however
it doesn't.
Is that what you would have done if you bought the meter from HPAK?
Ebay's rules are binary: Items listed as "USED" will work as if they
were new, or the seller will refund the sales price plus return
shipping.
Sellers are forever rolling-the-dice on that rule. They know that
ebay is strict in its enforcement... but they also know that they
will lose 60% of the value if they sell items as ASIS, for repair or
parts...
As a seller, I hate ebay's terms. As a buyer, I am quite happy with
them. Which is exactly how ebay wants it.
-Chuck Harris
On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 23:23:25 -0400 "Mike Feher" <
<mailto:n4fs@...> n4fs@...> wrote:
In other words, the meter was fine all the time, just needed
cleaning. I would have returned the refunded funds to the seller, rather than brag about a good deal. 73 – Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 848-245-9115
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Re: Desoldering wire wrapped turrets in HP gear
On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 09:55 AM, Harold Foster wrote:
I have had success using my Hakko 301
Thanks, Harold - I never thought about using my 301 to suck the solder off because I was focused on the wire - I'll give that a try. TonyG
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Re: "ADDITIONAL STANDARDS ARE NEEDED" when using E-Cal
Wayne thanks - yes I found your firmware, saw that it was the same as mine. And I have verified that the jumper does not affect my setup. The old module SN 141 did not have it so I added it but it didn't affect anything (that module was properly identified by the VNA but had an RF problem). The new module SN 898 already has that jumper installed. There must be some other configuration issue I guess.
Thanks
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Re: I bought a working HP3400A, however it doesn't.
I only bought stuff from HP direct a long time ago. Of course all of that was new and never had any issues. I do not take advantage of any individual. If I buy something at a hamfest, unless it is something from a friend, I just assume it does not work and take a chance. Now at 77, I can tell you I have bought plenty. On reflectors, the only guy I ever had an issue with was Lothar. Some time ago a guy gave me a radio for free. It was not working, but I managed to fix it and sold it for $300. I gave the guy that gave it to me $150. He was not expecting it or wanted it, but it was what I wanted. With about 10,000 transactions on eBay, I maybe had issues with a handful of sellers. Maybe your values and ethics are different. 73 – Mike ? ? Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 848-245-9115 ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Chuck Harris
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 7:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] I bought a working HP3400A, however it doesn't. ? Is that what you would have done if you bought the meter from HPAK? ? Ebay's rules are binary:? Items listed as "USED" will work as if they were new, or the seller will refund the sales price plus return shipping. ? Sellers are forever rolling-the-dice on that rule.? They know that ebay is strict in its enforcement... but they also know that they will lose 60% of the value if they sell items as ASIS, for repair or parts... ? As a seller, I hate ebay's terms.? As a buyer, I am quite happy with them.? Which is exactly how ebay wants it. ? -Chuck Harris ? ? On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 23:23:25 -0400 "Mike Feher" <n4fs@...> wrote: > In other words, the meter was fine all the time, just needed cleaning. > I would have returned the refunded funds to the seller, rather than > brag about a good deal. 73 – Mike > >? > > Mike B. Feher, N4FS > > 89 Arnold Blvd. > > Howell NJ 07731 > > 848-245-9115
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Re: I bought a working HP3400A, however it doesn't.
HPAK stands for <H>ewlett <P>ackard <A>gilent <K>eysight
Members here often abbreviate the names that Bill and Dave's
company has had as HPAK.
My reply was directed more to the guys that are chastising you
for playing by ebay's rules.
-Chuck Harris
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 04:58:19 -0700 "Mikek" <amdx@...> wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 04:45 AM, Chuck Harris wrote:
HPAK
I don't know what HPAK is.
I really doesn't matter, I bought a machine advertised as working, it
wasn't, so I was screwed for shipping if I sent it back. If I kept it
and couldn't fix it I was screwed for $129.? I got lucky for $55.
Mikek
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Re: I bought a working HP3400A, however it doesn't.
HPAK is abbreviated for Hewlett Packard/Agilent/Keysight. ? Hope it helps. ? Nigel ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mikek
Sent: 25 August 2022 12:58
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] I bought a working HP3400A, however it doesn't.? On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 04:45 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: HPAK
I don't know what HPAK is.
I really doesn't matter, I bought a machine advertised as working, it wasn't, so I was screwed for shipping if I sent it back.
If I kept it and couldn't fix it I was screwed for $129.? I got lucky for $55.
??????????? Mikek
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I have one of these that is faulty. There is only the user manual available & when I asked Keysight about repair costs they offered to repair it for the cost of a new unit. Seems these are basically? scrap if faulty. Mine works perfectly EXCEPT the RF output is ~30dB low. Looks as if one of the IC attenuators has died.? Perhaps one day I will try getting these off the PCB & reworked properly. One day when the roundtoit reaches the top of the pile. ? Phil
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Re: I bought a working HP3400A, however it doesn't.
On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 04:45 AM, Chuck Harris wrote:
HPAK
I don't know what HPAK is. I really doesn't matter, I bought a machine advertised as working, it wasn't, so I was screwed for shipping if I sent it back. If I kept it and couldn't fix it I was screwed for $129.? I got lucky for $55. ??????????? Mikek
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Re: I bought a working HP3400A, however it doesn't.
Is that what you would have done if you bought the meter
from HPAK?
Ebay's rules are binary: Items listed as "USED" will work
as if they were new, or the seller will refund the sales
price plus return shipping.
Sellers are forever rolling-the-dice on that rule. They
know that ebay is strict in its enforcement... but they
also know that they will lose 60% of the value if they sell
items as ASIS, for repair or parts...
As a seller, I hate ebay's terms. As a buyer, I am quite
happy with them. Which is exactly how ebay wants it.
-Chuck Harris
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 23:23:25 -0400 "Mike Feher" <n4fs@...> wrote: In other words, the meter was fine all the time, just needed
cleaning. I would have returned the refunded funds to the seller,
rather than brag about a good deal. 73 – Mike
Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell NJ 07731
848-245-9115
From: [email protected]
<[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jeff Kruth via
groups.io Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 11:12 PM To:
[email protected] Subject: Re:
[HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] I bought a working HP3400A, however
it doesn't.
Interesting: the seller gets ripped-off and "its a great deal".
It sucks to sell on eBay. The meter was probably jostled around in
shipping and just needed cleaned up, like most 50-60 year old test
gear.... May your next item crap out after 60 days to preserve the
balance of the universe.
Wow.
JK
In a message dated 8/24/2022 9:49:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mcguire@... <mailto:mcguire@...> writes:
On 8/24/22 21:45, Mikek wrote:
You were right, I cleaned the range switch and every range started
working as it should.
This worked out well. I paid $99 for the meter, but when it didn't
work, I start a return process.
I also sent a message hope to renegotiate the price on a non
working meter. It had been a day
and I hadn't any response, so I called him. He had not seen my
message, he read it, seeing I offered $30,
he said that was fine, and returned the difference and some tax.
With shipping, I have $55 into the meter.
This worked out well. Wow, that's a nice deal. The 3400A is a very good meter.
A little "TLC" goes a long way with HP gear of that era. It was
built to be maintained.
-Dave
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Re: I bought a working HP3400A, however it doesn't.
The unit was advertised as "fully functional and functions as intended" "unit is in good condition, removed from working environment".
However, the seller had no knowledge to back this up. "no power cord, unable to test"
I received the unit, it did not function as intended, 10 out of 12 ranges were dead.
I was not going to disassemble a unit and attempt a repair on a unit I intended to send back. Sending it back would mean I now spent
$42 in shipping (both ways) and have nothing except a bad experience.
Keeping it and finding I could not fix it, would mean I spent $129 on a piece junk. The $70 reduction, means I have I'm spending $55. an addittional
$13 (over the shipping) on the gamble that I might be able to fix it. That was a gamble I was willing to take.
? I talked to the seller over the phone, he was more than happy to reduce the price, he did not want it returned.
I happen to have won the gamble, but I didn't know or think it would be that easy.
???????????????????????????????????????????? Mikek
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Re: HP 3580A Spectrum Analyzer - broken frequency display
Marco,
Thanks, I have spare blank display boards, if you want one, you can have it at no cost.
Regards,
Peter
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Re: "ADDITIONAL STANDARDS ARE NEEDED" when using E-Cal
Hi Dan,
I suggest you check that you have a jumper between pins 5 and 18 of the DB25 as I mentioned in message #128761?which has caught me out with one of my modules.
AFAIK 1.00 is the only version available for the 85060C, in fact I uploaded the software diskette for that version to the Files section a year or two back.
Good luck and I hope you manage to figure it out
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Wayne
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Re: HP 3580A Spectrum Analyzer - broken frequency display
Amazing job Peter!
Thank you for sharing
Currently, I haven't got enough time to follow your path but I'll do as soon as I can.
Bye for now
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Re: Frequency Counter Restoration Impeded By Kittens
Big fan of Usagi Electric! Thanks. ?The hp oscillator restoration is pretty cool as well.?
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On Aug 24, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Bill Higdon via groups.io <willard561@...> wrote:
?This just popped up on HAck a day
https://hackaday.com/2022/08/24/frequency-counter-restoration-impeded-by-kittens/
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Re: I bought a working HP3400A, however it doesn't.
I agree, and you and I could've fixed it, as did the OP. But when something is advertised as working (and note, I'm just assuming that it was, based on the OP's post...I will stand corrected if that wasn't the case) and it's not working as advertised, it's broken, no matter how simple the fix. What's simple to us isn't necessarily simple to everyone.
-Dave
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On 8/24/22 23:17, Jeff Kruth via groups.io wrote: Wasnt really "broken" as contact cleaner fixed it. C'mon on now. If you had sold it and it worked on your bench, you would be pissed to read this exchange! Actual gloating.
In a message dated 8/24/2022 11:15:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, mcguire@... writes:
? The seller sold something that was apparently represented as working,
but was in fact broken, and gave the buyer a partial refund as
compensation.? Sounds reasonable to me.
? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave
On 8/24/22 23:12, Jeff Kruth via groups.io wrote:
> Interesting: the seller gets ripped-off and "its a great deal".
> It sucks to sell on eBay.? The meter was probably jostled around in
> shipping and just needed cleaned up, like most 50-60 year old test
> gear.... May your next item crap out after 60 days to preserve the
> balance of the universe.
> Wow.
> JK
>
> In a message dated 8/24/2022 9:49:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> mcguire@... <mailto:mcguire@...> writes:
> On 8/24/22 21:45, Mikek wrote:
>? > You were right, I cleaned the range switch and every range started
>? > working as it should.
>? > This worked out well. I paid $99 for the meter, but when it didn't
work,
>? > I start a return process.
>? > I also sent a message hope to renegotiate the price on a non working
>? > meter. It had been a day
>? > and I hadn't any response, so I called him. He had not seen my
message,
>? > he read it, seeing I offered $30,
>? > he said that was fine, and returned the difference and some tax. With
>? > shipping, I have $55 into the meter.
>? > This worked out well.
>
>? ? Wow, that's a nice deal.? The 3400A is a very good meter.
>
>? ? A little "TLC" goes a long way with HP gear of that era.? It was
> built to be maintained.
>
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: I bought a working HP3400A, however it doesn't.
Hear, hear! The voice of FAIRNESS and REASON, not blind selfishness and greed!
The childish attitude that all sellers are trying to cheat everyone all the time. No wonder people scrap good working HP test gear for the precious metals - its easier!!!
JK
In a message dated 8/24/2022 11:23:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, n4fs@... writes:
?
In other words, the meter was fine all the time, just needed cleaning. I would have returned the refunded funds to the seller, rather than brag about a good deal. 73 – Mike
?
Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell NJ 07731
848-245-9115
?
From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Jeff Kruth via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 11:12 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] I bought a working HP3400A, however it doesn't.
?
Interesting: the seller gets ripped-off and "its a great deal".
It sucks to sell on eBay.? The meter was probably jostled around in shipping and just needed cleaned up, like most 50-60 year old test gear.... May your next item crap out after 60 days to preserve the balance of the universe.
In a message dated 8/24/2022 9:49:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, mcguire@... writes:
On 8/24/22 21:45, Mikek wrote:
> You were right, I cleaned the range switch and every range started
> working as it should.
> This worked out well. I paid $99 for the meter, but when it didn't work,
> I start a return process.
> I also sent a message hope to renegotiate the price on a non working
> meter. It had been a day
> and I hadn't any response, so I called him. He had not seen my message,
> he read it, seeing I offered $30,
> he said that was fine, and returned the difference and some tax. With
> shipping, I have $55 into the meter.
> This worked out well.
? Wow, that's a nice deal.? The 3400A is a very good meter.
? A little "TLC" goes a long way with HP gear of that era.? It was
built to be maintained.
? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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