Correct. The EXT is nothing like an MXA, except for the processor board being similar construction but not firmware compatible. ? During the transitions form HP to Agilent and Agilent to Keysight, there were short periods of time where the front panels and other places in many instruments had the new name but the software had not yet been updated with the new name in every bit of code. ? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of hardyhansendk via groups.io Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 9:34 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] N9020A ? John This must stop ? The EXT wireless STATIONS ?have nothing hardware in common with the X series-besides it`` seems`` to have same processor board.If one look at EXT and MXA you see just physically they are not compatible…no way to -upgrade- an ext to? x series or the other way. Why ??keysight tell YOU ?from your s /n you got an ext I don’t know—please let me see!!I have serviced several of these -upgraded- to ?mxa`s—all literatures.parts-list ?from agilent/keysight ?match … they are real mxa`s ….Besides one mention cpu/processor upgrade???they are all XP machines!....so no way—no more from me! Hardy ? ? ? Hi Hardy. The EXT is a very similar instrument, possibly cheaper? I contacted Keysight with my serial number and it came back as an EXT so seems it has been upgraded (CPU & O.S?) to MXA. Ok some may be genuine MXAs, mine clearly is not. I don't think it matters and as mentioned I do not want to put buyers from purchasing.
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OK, I see that now—schematic is hard to read. Agree, looks like the two sections depend upon each other.?
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Apparently V30 & V33 have their heaters fed from the +88V rail, in the series string of 8 valves, having only +31V is going to prevent the control valve/tubes from working in the -150V & +88V, seems these rails are dependant on each other.
David
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Apparently V30 & V33 have their heaters fed from the +88V rail, in the series string of 8 valves, having only +31V is going to prevent the control valve/tubes from working in the -150V & +88V, seems these rails are dependant on each other.
David
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John This must stop ? The EXT wireless STATIONS ?have nothing hardware in common with the X series-besides it`` seems`` to have same processor board.If one look at EXT and MXA you see just physically they are not compatible…no way to -upgrade- an ext to? x series or the other way. Why ??keysight tell YOU ?from your s /n you got an ext I don’t know—please let me see!!I have serviced several of these -upgraded- to ?mxa`s—all literatures.parts-list ?from agilent/keysight ?match … they are real mxa`s ….Besides one mention cpu/processor upgrade???they are all XP machines!....so no way—no more from me! Hardy ? ? ? Hi Hardy. The EXT is a very similar instrument, possibly cheaper? I contacted Keysight with my serial number and it came back as an EXT so seems it has been upgraded (CPU & O.S?) to MXA. Ok some may be genuine MXAs, mine clearly is not. I don't think it matters and as mentioned I do not want to put buyers from purchasing.
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On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 09:43, hardyhansendk via <hardyhansen= [email protected]> wrote: Ohh These are not upgraded ones!!stop it.Just look at at ebay pictures-even big sale resellers(alltest) have these unit mixed front-panel and firmware.. some says keysight front panel with agilent firmware and vice versa and the serial nr ?at back are also made up??? ---they are all genuie MXA`s—and still to resolve—what do one mean with-upgraded from ext??? Hardy
I have an LCR meter which is HP but the firmware says Agilent. A real PITA to get Keysight to upgrade it free. They used to (perhaps still do), say on a document the advantages of a Keysight calibration is that it includes firmware updates if the customer wanted them. But when I tried it get them, they said it was only where the firmware was upgraded electronically, not when ROM chips had to be changed. After a lot of argument they agreed to do the upgrade free of charge.?
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A ton of manuals, indeed !!!!! I feel like a kid in a candy store ... With appnotes, bench briefs, and more ! Is there something that looks like an index ?
Joel Setton
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Hi Hardy. The EXT is a very similar instrument, possibly cheaper? I contacted Keysight with my serial number and it came back as an EXT so seems it has been upgraded (CPU & O.S?) to MXA. Ok some may be genuine MXAs, mine clearly is not. I don't think it matters and as mentioned I do not want to put buyers from purchasing.
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Thanks brutor, Excellent site indeed! Renaud
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Ohh These are not upgraded ones!!stop it.Just look at at ebay pictures-even big sale resellers(alltest) have these unit mixed front-panel and firmware.. some says keysight front panel with agilent firmware and vice versa and the serial nr ?at back are also made up??? ---they are all genuie MXA`s—and still to resolve—what do one mean with-upgraded from ext??? Hardy ? ? Hi Hardy, Yes all is fine. If the buyer checks the serial number with Keysight (phone call as web app wont recognise it) you may find its not a genuine MXA. It doesnt matter as its (probably) an upgraded EXT. It doesn't really matter as long as it's working! Mine is definitely like this as it's had an upgrade and front panel label looks cheap. I think many are like this. Its not a problem and do not want to put any buyers off!
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Hi Hardy, Yes all is fine. If the buyer checks the serial number with Keysight (phone call as web app wont recognise it) you may find its not a genuine MXA. It doesnt matter as its (probably) an upgraded EXT. It doesn't really matter as long as it's working! Mine is definitely like this as it's had an upgrade and front panel label looks cheap. I think many are like this. Its not a problem and do not want to put any buyers off!
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John I am not sure what you mean with-EXT--???.The licenses are exactly the same keys as keysight uses!!—but as the sellers? I have recommended SAYS..it is licenses generated in-house by ex keysight engineers,so no keysight Lab will touch them. Its important to look very close before buying-be sure it’s the right seller!!They have shown their responsibility-have repaired returned units and helped with after sales problems..And? yes the MXA with the possible options are great! Hardy ? ? Just reporting in re the suitability of these rather cheap unit from CH. Yes they are (all?) upgraded units from an EXT? or possibly something else. The licences are all internally generated i.e. not official Keysight ones but do function perfectly normally. If you're thinking you might want to get one I'd say go for it! It can be difficult to communicate with CH because of the language barrier but I do a lot of business with CH and never had any problems. The units are a genuine bargain. Must thanks others on the forum for their help and advice.
JohnB
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Just reporting in re the suitability of these rather cheap unit from CH. Yes they are (all?) upgraded units from an EXT? or possibly something else. The licences are all internally generated i.e. not official Keysight ones but do function perfectly normally. If you're thinking you might want to get one I'd say go for it! It can be difficult to communicate with CH because of the language barrier but I do a lot of business with CH and never had any problems. The units are a genuine bargain. Must thanks others on the forum for their help and advice.
JohnB
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Based on my experience with similar HP scopes (132, 140, 175), I’d say the -150 supply is the reference for all of the others. Pull all the power supply tubes and see if you can bring up the line voltage without blowing any fuses. Failure at this point would be a transformer short circuit or some component connected across the AC line or one of the secondary windings. Then install the tubes in the -150V supply and get it working. I?
Once you have -150V DC, you can gradually return tubes to the other sections, one section at a time, and get them working.?
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I'm struggling to read some of the numbers on the circuit diagram, for the power supply section. It looks like two of the power supply valve filaments are dependant on the +88V DC supply, the rest of the power supply sections are dependant on the -150V supply.
I would start measuring voltages on V32, V33 and the voltage reference tube V34 (does this glow?), the fuse blowing will probably prevent you from doing this. Voltages expected are shown on page 38.
Did you manage to sort out a lamp limiter (aka dim bulb tester) to use instead of the variac? you would need to experiment to find a high enough wattage lamp to allow the valve filaments to work and the fuse to stay intact for fault finding.
In the other thread I wasn't aware you are located in Italy, is the transformer set for 110V or 230V operation.?Mine was imported from the USA to the UK and I've changed the connections for 230V operation.
David
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I'm struggling to read some of the numbers on the circuit diagram, for the power supply section. It looks like two of the power supply valve filaments are dependant on the +88V DC supply, the rest of the power supply sections are dependant on the -150V supply.
I would start measuring voltages on V32, V33 and the voltage reference tube V34 (does this glow?), the fuse blowing will probably prevent you from doing this. Voltages expected are shown on page 38.
Did you manage to sort out a lamp limiter (aka dim bulb tester) to use instead of the variac? you would need to experiment to find a high enough wattage lamp to allow the valve filaments to work and the fuse to stay intact for fault finding.
In the other thread I wasn't aware you are located in Italy, is the transformer set for 110V or 230V operation.?Mine was imported from the USA to the UK and I've changed the connections for 230V operation.
David
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Hi,
came across this repository :
seems to have a ton of manuals :-)
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I am stuck again at the power supply level, somebody (sorry I forgot who, it must have been a private message) already told me to unplug the HV valves and start to check the lower DC voltages, a very useful suggestion which I followed. All the AC voltages are there but the rest doesn't come up right. the 88V is 31V and the -150 is next to 0 The v31 rectifier works and is anode V goes up to 300 then the fuse blows
In summary what I don't understand from the schematic is if I can unplug components (valves) to check each section separately, or additively until I get to the faulty components because they seem all interconnected. Could anybody help please? The relevant schematic is
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Re: Request HDD image for Agilent Infiniium DCA 86100C mainframe
Thanks Alex !!!!! maurizio
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Re: HP 8360-Series Sweeper CLIP soon available on KO4BB
Wow, that is fantastic. I have a 83620 sitting here that has some issues so I might finally be able to fix it.
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With kind regards, Rene
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Re: E4404B Noise floor with 1DS option
What a coincidence, I was just thinking of maybe selling the E4402B that I've just repaired (see my other threads in this group). It's taking more space than I hoped, and I'm not using it nearly as much as I thought I would. PM me if interested.
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