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Re: HP 54720A PSU fault

 

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Given I don't have a schematic for the PSU it would be a bit hard to work out what the components are and what their
values are. Luckily I found a chap on eBay selling replacement PSU's for a small sum so I have one of those on the way.
Once I get that I'll take note of the component values before inserting it in the CRO. I can then take my leisure in
repairing the old PSU.

cheers

Tim


The photo of the underside, seems to also show some damage to the solder mask, covering two PCB traces that may have resulted in a short cct (if it was a metal part that did that.) ? As well as the heat damage.

I've repaired stuff like that in the past without drawings, purely by cutting out (by chain drilling and needle file) the damaged PCB, and grafting in some plain bare board, then hard wiring in replacement parts, based on the markings of the old parts.

The last time, that was an old 50/60Hz transformer based thing though, so quite forgiving.? I'd be especially careful with a SMPS, especially on the AC Line connected side, as you need to maintain creepage and clearance spacings of course.

Have Fun, but take care.

Dave G0WBX.

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Re: Optiion upgrade HP 8753C/B

 

as Ceasar said, this is a too dangerous way at least for me as you can see I am afraid to even entering keywords. And after your receiver upgrade?up to 6GHz you are using 85046a or 85047a test sets?
Btw, you mention the restoration of CRT from HP 8753B. I have done this a few months ago for HP 1349A. The brightness is now ok just the focus is still not good. Is there a way how to improve it?


Re: First Gen HP 54810A with dead HD, Got ISO 3.5, Any way to write it to a drive?

 

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 06:21 PM, <ujonsson@...> wrote:
BIOS s
i downloaded the step by step.? That looks like a great writeup!? I will let you know what I find out.


Ulf


Re: WTB : 1826 - 0372 Input Limiter Chip

 

Thankyou Matthew. I thought to myself : " I`ll never get one on eBay", but , again, eBay is my friend. There are actually several suppliers - some reasonable, some greedy. The Virus has caused the exchange rate to deteriorate badly, so that getting one will cost me NZ$40, but at least they are available. Does anyone want to sell me one for less?
It puzzles me when people denigrate eBay - I find it really convenient. I wouldn`t be able to buy HP equipment at all without it. Cheers!..............................Don.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:32 AM medasaro <medasaro@...> wrote:
An easy one for once. These ICs seem to still be reasonably common. Here is probably the easiest way to get one:



-Matthew D'Asaro


Re: First Gen HP 54810A with dead HD, Got ISO 3.5, Any way to write it to a drive?

 

I cant be 100% sure but it is not booting up and when I took the drive out I could at first not read anything from is using a USB-IDE adapter. After some gentle tapping I got it to spin up once and I got some of the files off it.

?I did the drill modification and hooked up a DVD player that I had with IDE to the secondary IDE port on the motherboard and I created a Win 98 SE boot floppy.? ?It boots up from the floppy and creates a virtual disc A: but it is not able to install drivers for the CD player. I probably need to find newer drivers that match the DVD burner.

If I stop the boot and go to the BIOS setup its not showing the DVD player. I also tried to hook up a 5.25" IDE Hard drive to the secondary IDE and that was not showing up in the BIOS either.?I then went in and changed the BIOS to activate the primary and secondary IDE's, hooked up the 5.25 to the primary on board IDE and it tried to boot from it.? It turned out to have Linux on it so it started up GRUB Rescue...? There is hope.? I wish I had a day to focus on it.? I'm working like crazy. I'm one of 4 people in a lab that normally have 600 people in it...


Re: Optiion upgrade HP 8753C/B

 

He already has the option keywords and does not need to (manually) program the eeproms.? He just wants the procedure to enter the codes.? Manually reprogramming the eeproms is too dangerous and/or difficult, which is why I provide the keywords to those that want them.? I don't want anyone to accidentally destroy their analyzer.


Re: HP 54720A PSU fault

 

Hi Matthew,

Nice story... its amazing what some people will do to "improve" the operation of various things.

On a side note I'm also repairing a Wavetek sig gen where ALL the 100uF35v electros have dropped their guts all over the PCBs. Initially I thought it would just be a matter of replacing all the caps but on closer inspection I found that many of the traces and plated holes have been eaten away. So now I'm slowly re-linking various parts of the boards and using very fine wire to reconnect the holes. Its the project I'm working on when I'm not working on something else!

See pics here...



cheers

Tim



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Re: HP 54720A PSU fault

 

LOL typo :)

TT

On 6/04/2020 9:16 am, doug wrote:


On 4/5/20 7:10 PM, Tim Tuck wrote:
Hi Matthew,

Nice meter,? I think I'll have to add one of those to the repair bench. At the moment I'm using a DE-5000 LCR meter
which does a stellar job of reading things like ESR etc. but I've never tried to use it in-circuit, I've always
de-soldered suspect caps to test.

I've dissembled the PSU and I find that a number of components have incinerated themselves, see pics here...
FYI dissemble does not mean disassemble. You should look it up. (I'm not posting this to the list.)? --doug



Given I don't have a schematic for the PSU it would be a bit hard to work out what the components are and what their
values are. Luckily I found a chap on eBay selling replacement PSU's for a small sum so I have one of those on the way.
Once I get that I'll take note of the component values before inserting it in the CRO. I can then take my leisure in
repairing the old PSU.

cheers

Tim



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Re: HP 54720A PSU fault

 

I am glad you have a new PSU on the way and plan the fix the existing one. Sounds like a good strategy all around.

One of the strangest "smoked PSU" problems I ever encountered was in a really nice Tektronix 7k mainframe I was repairing for a customer. The customer reported that they had bought a (supposedly working) plugin for it on eBay, but when they plugged the plugin in and applied power, the oscilloscope mainframe emitted popping sounds and clouds of smoke and would no longer work. I received the plugin and mainframe for repair. The source of the smoke was obvious - fuse resistors on multiple PSU rails were toasted. Moreover, even after removing all the plugins those same rails were still shorted (0-ohms) to ground. I kept pulling connectors trying to localize the short until all that was connected to the PSU were the sockets for the plugins, but the short remained. Puzzled, I looked carefully at the plugin sockets with a flashlight, and what do you know, there was something in one of the sockets that looked like crumpled aluminum foil. Using tweezers I was able to extract it and sure enough - crumpled aluminum foil. What's more, with the foil gone the short was gone too. I replaced the burned fuse resistors and everything worked fine, including the new plugin!

Apparently what had happened was the the seller of the new plugin had folded aluminum foil over the PCB-edge contacts in a (misguided) attempt to protect against ESD. The customer, not realizing the foil was there, plugged the plugin into the oscilloscope and POOF!

All is well that ends well I guess.

-Matthew D'Asaro


Re: HP 54720A PSU fault

 

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We'll, you did post to the entire group, Doug.? FYI.

Dissemble, BTW, means to hide one's real feelings or intentions.? As opposed to Disassemble, meaning to take apart.

Jim Ford?



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-------- Original message --------
From: doug <dmcgarrett@...>
Date: 4/5/20 4:16 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 54720A PSU fault



On 4/5/20 7:10 PM, Tim Tuck wrote:
> Hi Matthew,
>
> Nice meter,? I think I'll have to add one of those to the repair bench. At the moment I'm using a DE-5000 LCR meter
> which does a stellar job of reading things like ESR etc. but I've never tried to use it in-circuit, I've always
> de-soldered suspect caps to test.
>
> I've dissembled the PSU and I find that a number of components have incinerated themselves, see pics here...

FYI dissemble does not mean disassemble. You should look it up. (I'm not posting this to the list.)? --doug
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ri8ZFADuCvNYiKdj9
>
> Given I don't have a schematic for the PSU it would be a bit hard to work out what the components are and what their
> values are. Luckily I found a chap on eBay selling replacement PSU's for a small sum so I have one of those on the way.
> Once I get that I'll take note of the component values before inserting it in the CRO. I can then take my leisure in
> repairing the old PSU.
>
> cheers
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>




Re: HP 54720A PSU fault

 

On 4/5/20 7:10 PM, Tim Tuck wrote:
Hi Matthew,

Nice meter,? I think I'll have to add one of those to the repair bench. At the moment I'm using a DE-5000 LCR meter
which does a stellar job of reading things like ESR etc. but I've never tried to use it in-circuit, I've always
de-soldered suspect caps to test.

I've dissembled the PSU and I find that a number of components have incinerated themselves, see pics here...
FYI dissemble does not mean disassemble. You should look it up. (I'm not posting this to the list.) --doug



Given I don't have a schematic for the PSU it would be a bit hard to work out what the components are and what their
values are. Luckily I found a chap on eBay selling replacement PSU's for a small sum so I have one of those on the way.
Once I get that I'll take note of the component values before inserting it in the CRO. I can then take my leisure in
repairing the old PSU.

cheers

Tim




Re: HP 54720A PSU fault

 

Hi Matthew,

Nice meter,? I think I'll have to add one of those to the repair bench. At the moment I'm using a DE-5000 LCR meter which does a stellar job of reading things like ESR etc. but I've never tried to use it in-circuit, I've always de-soldered suspect caps to test.

I've dissembled the PSU and I find that a number of components have incinerated themselves, see pics here...



Given I don't have a schematic for the PSU it would be a bit hard to work out what the components are and what their values are. Luckily I found a chap on eBay selling replacement PSU's for a small sum so I have one of those on the way. Once I get that I'll take note of the component values before inserting it in the CRO. I can then take my leisure in repairing the old PSU.

cheers

Tim




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Re: Optiion upgrade HP 8753C/B

 

Some notes I had from a while back.? I upgraded to all options on a 8753B using HEX editor and programmer.? Can't remember all the details.

-- v2.01 only use of the "mechanical" relay variants of the 85047A.
-- v3.0 permit use of "solid state" relay the 85047A's.

- Display Unit HP 1349A Has separate Service Manual
-- HP 1345 display unit is very similar i.e. possible as spare and using service manual
-- Forums discuss tube aging causes brightness and focus problems
-- Possible to use equipment to restore coated cathode and fix intensity/focus problems

-Instrument Options:
-- 002 ?? ?Harmonic Measurement Capability
-- 006 ?? ?6 GHz Receiver Option
-- 010 ?? ?Time Domain Capability
-- 802 ?? ?add Dual Disc Drive and HP 10883A cable

- ENABLE OPTION 010 (TIME DOMAIN)
-- http://ko4bb.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=test_equipment:restore_eeprom_of_hp_8753
-- Read the EEPROM (2816/2864)on the processor PCB.
-- Dump code and locate the Serial# in the comment box
-- Option configuration is set in the first three places before the serial#
-- Enter the appropriate HEX value 3 times
--- Here is the list:
??? F1 = 010
??? F2 = 006
??? F3 = 006+010
??? F4 = 002
??? F5 = 002+010
??? F7 = 010/002/006
??? Example: F1 F1 F1 50 53 54 55 ... this would be a option 010 unit with serial# 3345

- ANOTHER OPTION ENABLE PROCEDURE:
?? ?EEPROM information for the 8753 series
?? ?F1= 010, F2=006, F3=010 + 006, F6=075, F7= 002, 006, 010
?? ?These are all in row 7F0 which holds the option information and the serial number.
?? ?The option information is put in three times in front of the serial number as
?? ?F1F1F1serial number(Hex)

- EEPROM X2816AM 2048 x 8 Bit Electrical Erasable PROM is U1 on A9 CPU PCB.



On Saturday, April 4, 2020, 6:22:54 PM EDT, johncharlesgord via groups.io <johngord@...> wrote:


Take a look at?
I think it may have what you need.
--John Gord


On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 09:43 AM, MatejBA wrote:
Hi, I recently bought? HP 8753C with no option.? I would like to make a full upgrade with options? 002,010 and 006. (010) I have only an 85046A test set however I would like to use swept oscillator HP 8350B so hopefully, that will not caused any issue with soft or with the test set to future.
Anyway, I got the codes for HP 8753C but unfortunately, I struggling to found proper procedures on how to install these upgrades. An available method I found is only for 8753E and higher thus I would like to ask you if you can recommend where to find it or if its the same procedure as for 8753E. Thanks


Re: HP 54720A PSU fault

 

I don't have any specific advice on that model (54720) but I can say that this is the exact situation where a cheap in-circuit ESR meter will pay for itself with a few minutes of use. I have (and really like) the Blue ESR Meter from Anatek (). The idea behind these devices is that they send a low amplitude (<0.7V) AC signal though the capacitor and use that to measure the real (resistive) component of the impedance. When electrolytic capacitors go bad, their ESR usually goes way up so this is a good way of rooting out the bad ones. The low amplitude prevents turning on of semiconductor devices that are in the same circuit (such as rectifier diodes) so the device can be used to (estimate) the ESR of capacitors in-circuit. Of course, there are a lot circuits you can think of where this trick won't work well (a tank for example, or parallel capacitors) but it works well enough for most power supplies that I find mine to be an invaluable troubleshooting tool.

That all said, more recently I have taken to just replacing them all, or at least all the ones in the same circuit, when I start finding bad electrolytic capacitors in something. It seems that often when one is bad, the others aren't far behind.

-Matthew D'Asaro


Re: WTB : 1826 - 0372 Input Limiter Chip

 

An easy one for once. These ICs seem to still be reasonably common. Here is probably the easiest way to get one:



-Matthew D'Asaro


WTB : 1826 - 0372 Input Limiter Chip

 

This chip is used in the 8663A signal generator UHF Modulator A12A2 board. I would like to buy one, or find out where one could be bought. Might even be in the market for the board itself. Many thanks............Don


Re: Phase Locking an 8350 Plugin

 

Since you have the 934A HARMONIC Mixer whatever you put in to the LO port will give you fairly high level harmonics between 2 and 12.4 GHz. So if you are trying for 10 GHz (-20 MHz or + 20 MHz) you would set the 8640B to 1GHz, set the 8350B system to 10GHz and then fine tune it to 20 MHz lower or higher in freq until the 8709A shows lock, it will be pretty sensitive.? Conversely, if you want a locked 10GHz you would fine tune the 8640B up or down in freq by a small amount - 2MHz (you are turning the 10th harmonic of 1GHz (10GHz) to be the required 20MHz different than the 8350B 10GHz freq.) to achieve lock on the 8709A.
Don Bitters


Re: Optiion upgrade HP 8753C/B

 

thanks, so the procedure is the same as for 8753E however just to be sure it is written :

"?Perform this procedure only if :?(1) the instrument has option 002 or 006 or 010, AND"
should I worried about the last sentence, and one more hypothetical question what could happen if the codes I have are wrong??


HP 54720A PSU fault

 

Hi all,

My HP 54720A CRO failed to power on this morning I suspect an electro failure but given the plethora of caps in the PSU I was wondering if anyone had a likely candidate to go take a look at ?

Any other pointers to 54720A PSU repair, gratefully received.

It's a pity that the service manual considers the PSU as a unit and thus doesn't supply the schematic, so if anyone has that, please share :)

thanks

Tim



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Re: Optiion upgrade HP 8753C/B

 

Take a look at?
I think it may have what you need.
--John Gord


On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 09:43 AM, MatejBA wrote:
Hi, I recently bought? HP 8753C with no option.? I would like to make a full upgrade with options? 002,010 and 006. (010) I have only an 85046A test set however I would like to use swept oscillator HP 8350B so hopefully, that will not caused any issue with soft or with the test set to future.
Anyway, I got the codes for HP 8753C but unfortunately, I struggling to found proper procedures on how to install these upgrades. An available method I found is only for 8753E and higher thus I would like to ask you if you can recommend where to find it or if its the same procedure as for 8753E. Thanks