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Re: Generic but decent quality test leads for 3478 DMM

 

Greetings, a while ago 5-10 years ago maybe, Fluke offered free silicone test leads and there were some posts about this on Tekscopes and/or here on HP group. I know a bunch of ya'll got some. How are they? I got two pairs somehow, though I just ordered one pair. They all have intermittent connection from cable to probe end. I tend to treat all probes cables nicely as if they were scope probes, yet intermittent

My favorite sharp probes I have made from red and black pens with sewing needles extending maybe a quarter inch. Wonderfull for smd, getting into the wire end of connectors, even piercing wire insulation tests. Often the probe will touch or fall on my leg and giving a little prickle. A little pain often but no pain no gain as they say and I will keep using them. I call them my prickle probes.

Dave

At 06:47 PM 3/29/2020, you wrote:
Jim,

I would rate them as the best DMM test leads I have. They have a lot of nice screw on tip accessories too...won't fall off on you (looking at you Fluke). Definitely worth a look.

I'm also thinking of getting a pair of their passive oscilloscope probe kits for my 1727A storage 'scope.

Good company.

Sean

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 05:29 PM, Jim Ford wrote:
Hey, if you can't seriously injure yourself by misusing them, they aren't sharp enough! Gotta be able to poke through those oxides, flux residue, etc. Not to mention high enough spatial resolution not to short out a bunch of pads at once.

I bet those are better than the Pomona Electronics ones I recommended, because of the silicone leads on the Probemaster ones. Thanks, Sean. Won't melt if you hit 'em with a soldering iron. Why no, I've never done that before; why do you ask? ;)

Jim Ford


Re: Fixing a sick 4332A LCR meter

 

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I¡¯ve got ten according to my inventory(location 1989). Drop me an e-mail s.hanselman@...

Regards,

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Stephen Hanselman

Datagate Systems, LLC




On Apr 3, 2020, at 16:39, [email protected] wrote:

?Stephen,

1855-0082, TRANSISTOR:FIELD EFFECT P-CHANNEL

Sean

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 04:28 PM, Stephen Hanselman wrote:
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Please send the p/n I¡¯ll check stock

Regards,

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Stephen Hanselman

Datagate Systems, LLC

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Re: Some Items For Sale

 

Sold some items, and found some additional items.? The current list is below.? Shipping is from 90017 if you want to calculate your shipping cost.? Also, all listed prices are OBO.

Agilent 16702B logic analyzer with 2 cards, and lots of accessories $500.00 plus shipping

HP 8560E Spec An with TG, Demod, and Mass Memory ¨C some of the buttons are intermittent $800.00 plus shipping

HP 53132A Freq Counter with Factory 3ghz option.??$600.00 plus shipping

HP 8116A Pulse/Function Generator.? $100? plus shipping.

Agilent 66332A IT IS HEAVY. 125.00

HP 435A power meter, includes 2 "discs"? No way to test but obtained from reputable board member who indicated it worked. $50.00 plus shipping.

HP 478A power thermistor, with cable? No way to test but obtained from reputable board member who indicated it worked. $125.00 plus shipping.


Pics?


Thanks,

Michael


On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:56 PM Michael Yellin via <michaelhq54=[email protected]> wrote:

I have the following, all is OBO:

Agilent 16702B logic analyzer with 2 cards, and lots of accessories $500.00 plus shipping

HP 8560E Spec An with TG, Demod, and Mass Memory ¨C some of the buttons are intermittent $800.00 plus shipping

HP 53132A Freq Counter with Factory 3ghz option.? $600.00 plus shipping

3x HP 8116A Pulse/Function Generator.? 1 has the GPIB option.? 150 for the one with GPIB, and 100 each for the others, plus shipping.

Agilent 66332A IT IS HEAVY. 125.00

Pics


Re: HP 3455a DVM repair

Bob Albert
 

No, Q12 is good and the zener is good.? ?Since fixing that, the power supply took a dive and for now, I am surfeited with working on it so I took it off the bench for the time being.

I will let you know when my mental state improves to the point where I want to tackle it again.

Thanks for all your help, most useful.

Bob

On Friday, April 3, 2020, 05:53:35 PM PDT, Ed Giaimo <edgiaimo@...> wrote:


My guess is that Q12 is shorted Collector to Base and CR15 is what is pulling TP4 down to -18V and caused R14 to overheat. Q12 is listed as an HP 1854-0087 (75MHz ?360mW NPN).


Re: Fixing a sick 4332A LCR meter

 

I would take either one of you up on that...probably a good idea to have at least one spare on hand in case the one in circuit actually does have a mechanical fault.

Sean


On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 05:06 PM, Daniel Nelson wrote:
If you need that FET, I can send you one...

Dan in Chandler, AZ


Re: Phase Locking an 8350 Plugin

 

Hi Don,

Thanks for the interest and feedback. I understand the intent but maybe I'm missing something here. Let's say I want to lock at 10 GHz. Wouldn't I need a reference that's 10GHz - 20 MHz?
If I have a sig gen that can do that, then I do not need to lock the 8350. (My goal is to have a STABLE source up to 20+ GHz) Maybe I can use harmonics somehow? Is that what you are saying?

Since my goal is to have stable 20+ GHz source, perhaps dump the 8350 and get a (high price) RF synth?

At any rate, it was fun restoring the plug ins (but they are a pain to work on!) and as always, learned a lot about this instrument. It may still have some uses in my lab. We'll see.

Best regards,
Mark


Re: Phase Locking an 8350 Plugin

 

Also 8350B system AUX out is typically +8dBm at the 8350B tune freq.
Don Bitters


Re: Phase Locking an 8350 Plugin

 

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The intent is to get the stability of the 8640B applied to the 8350B system.
This is done by locking the 8350B to a harmonic of the 8640B freq. ( ie. the 8640B freq. is 1000MHz @ +13dBm then the 8350B system will be locked at any freq. between 2 - 12.4GHz when it is tuned to 2GHz-20MHz (1980MHz); 2GHz+20MHz (1020MHz); etc. - substitute 3,4,5,6,7-12GHz for the 2GHz and you can lock the 8350B system. ?The 8640B provides the LO frequency and harmonics, the 8350B is the RF source. ?By selecting an appropriate LO freq. you can freq. lock any 2-12.4GHz freq. out of the 8350B system as long as it is + or - 20MHz different than the LO freq. or it¡¯s harmonics.
Don Bitters


HP 934A?

Description:?This Harmonic Mixer covers the 2 to 12.4GHz frequency range, maximum power input is 100mW.

Sensitivities of -48dBm (3.5GHz) and -25dBm (10GHz).


Re: HP 3455a DVM repair

Ed Giaimo
 

My guess is that Q12 is shorted Collector to Base and CR15 is what is pulling TP4 down to -18V and caused R14 to overheat. Q12 is listed as an HP 1854-0087 (75MHz ?360mW NPN).


Re: 8510C questions and cabling

 

OK - You win, but the daisy chain cables are expensive. I'b be tempted to get a long 8502 - test set cable so you could "remote" the test set, which would make exchanging test sets easier.

If you don't already know about them, these guys can make just about any cable you need - not cheapo, but theey do good work -->


Have fun NOT watching TV :-)

Cheers!


Quoting "Reginald Beardsley via groups.io" <pulaskite@...>:

Well, to have an S parameter set, a TR set and an ISM band antenna range.

Do I really need all that? No. But what else am I going to do? Watch TV? Not something that appeals to me.

Have Fun!
Reg


Re: Fixing a sick 4332A LCR meter

 

If you need that FET, I can send you one...

Dan in Chandler, AZ


Re: Fixing a sick 4332A LCR meter

 

Stephen,

1855-0082, TRANSISTOR:FIELD EFFECT P-CHANNEL

Sean


On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 04:28 PM, Stephen Hanselman wrote:
Seam,
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Please send the p/n I¡¯ll check stock

Regards,

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Stephen Hanselman

Datagate Systems, LLC

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Re: Fixing a sick 4332A LCR meter

 

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Seam,

Please send the p/n I¡¯ll check stock

Regards,

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Stephen Hanselman

Datagate Systems, LLC




On Apr 3, 2020, at 13:53, [email protected] wrote:

?Hi Chuck,

Good point. So far it's stable. I aligned it as best I am able for now, and it's working in all modes with reasonable accuracy. If it becomes intermittent, looks like it is still possible to obtain these FETs, though it will probably cost.

Seam

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 01:33 PM, Chuck Harris wrote:
Just a repair note:

I have seen a lot of TO92 packaged transistors where
one or more lead has become intermittent. I believe
this is caused by fiddle fingered folks that just have
to push the transistor around to match their ideal of
position, or to read the number.

It always seems to happen when the transistor is mounted
with the leads in a tripod position with the base lead
bent forwards, or backwards.

Touch, or otherwise move the transistor, and it quits...
touch it again, and it works.

-Chuck Harris


Re: 8510C questions and cabling

 

Well, to have an S parameter set, a TR set and an ISM band antenna range.

Do I really need all that? No. But what else am I going to do? Watch TV? Not something that appeals to me.

Have Fun!
Reg


Re: 8510C questions and cabling

 

I found an 08513-60004 on ebay.

Has anyone done an opt 001 upgrade on a non-opt 001 8511A, 8512A or 8515A?

It would appear to be just recabling and adding the multiplexer boards. Of course, I'd also need a 3rd 08510-60102 cable and 2 sets of the opt 001 cables.

Thanks,
Reg


Re: 8510C questions and cabling

 

You might consider why you actually need all three test sets. Multiple test sets does increase complexity and causes losses in the signal from the sig gen.

Cheers!


Quoting "Reginald Beardsley via groups.io" <pulaskite@...>:

The "Preflight Checkout" diagram is clear about where things go, but it presents every variant on the same diagram with cryptic notes. so deciphering the connections for a specific set of modules is difficult.

The application note for using multiple test sets on the 8515A page is a broken link, but I was able to verify from the 8512A operation and service manual that option 001 is needed on all but the last test set in the chain. Unfortunately, neither of mine has that marked on the label. From the 8512A manual it is the A2 board, 08513-60004 (new) or 08513-69004 (rebuilt) and 15 cables.

At present it appears I need:

4x 08512-20019 port extension jumpers or suitable substitutes

2x 08510-60102 test set interconnect cables

08513-6x004 with internal cables

8511A

3x BNC cables for TRIGGER, STOP SWEEP and 10 MHz

a ST3P relay good to 26 GHz and 4x 3.5 mm cables good to 26 GHz.

The BNC cables should not be a big deal so far as I can see. I can live with 18 GHz max if I have to, but it would be nice to get it all up to 26 GHz.

Please send me PM if you have any of this for sale.

Thanks,
Reg


Re: 8510C questions and cabling

 

The "Preflight Checkout" diagram is clear about where things go, but it presents every variant on the same diagram with cryptic notes. so deciphering the connections for a specific set of modules is difficult.

The application note for using multiple test sets on the 8515A page is a broken link, but I was able to verify from the 8512A operation and service manual that option 001 is needed on all but the last test set in the chain. Unfortunately, neither of mine has that marked on the label. From the 8512A manual it is the A2 board, 08513-60004 (new) or 08513-69004 (rebuilt) and 15 cables.

At present it appears I need:

4x 08512-20019 port extension jumpers or suitable substitutes

2x 08510-60102 test set interconnect cables

08513-6x004 with internal cables

8511A

3x BNC cables for TRIGGER, STOP SWEEP and 10 MHz

a ST3P relay good to 26 GHz and 4x 3.5 mm cables good to 26 GHz.

The BNC cables should not be a big deal so far as I can see. I can live with 18 GHz max if I have to, but it would be nice to get it all up to 26 GHz.

Please send me PM if you have any of this for sale.

Thanks,
Reg


Re: 58503A GPSDO PSU details/availability

 

Excellent info thanks Jeremy!

Yes please send wiring details.

I'm hopefully a few weeks away from completing my shack, and freq references are 1st on the list for loading into the rack. :^)

On 4/04/20 5:30 am, Jeremy Owen wrote:
Hi Andy,
I asssume you sorted this out after all this time, but if not, I can send you the wiring details. And it's just a very ordinary PSU.? 5V 1A and +/-15V 0.5A.
Look on EEVBLOG and you will find various comments about psu replacement.
-Jeremy
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Re: Fixing a sick 4332A LCR meter

 

Hi Chuck,

Good point. So far it's stable. I aligned it as best I am able for now, and it's working in all modes with reasonable accuracy. If it becomes intermittent, looks like it is still possible to obtain these FETs, though it will probably cost.

Seam


On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 01:33 PM, Chuck Harris wrote:
Just a repair note:

I have seen a lot of TO92 packaged transistors where
one or more lead has become intermittent. I believe
this is caused by fiddle fingered folks that just have
to push the transistor around to match their ideal of
position, or to read the number.

It always seems to happen when the transistor is mounted
with the leads in a tripod position with the base lead
bent forwards, or backwards.

Touch, or otherwise move the transistor, and it quits...
touch it again, and it works.

-Chuck Harris


Re: Fixing a sick 4332A LCR meter

 

Just a repair note:

I have seen a lot of TO92 packaged transistors where
one or more lead has become intermittent. I believe
this is caused by fiddle fingered folks that just have
to push the transistor around to match their ideal of
position, or to read the number.

It always seems to happen when the transistor is mounted
with the leads in a tripod position with the base lead
bent forwards, or backwards.

Touch, or otherwise move the transistor, and it quits...
touch it again, and it works.

-Chuck Harris

[email protected] wrote:

Joel,

Thanks for the detailed steps on that.

I believe I found the smoking gun, a cold solder joint. I removed A1Q1 to test it out of circuit, which really didn't lead to anything. But it started working when I re-soldered it. I'm going to carry out more testing now and see if I can do the alignment (as best I can anyway, as I don't yet have the standard cap and inductor that are called for.) I think it makes sense now...if this FET wasn't switching correctly I think it would impact the operation of the oscillator.

Sean

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 12:39 PM, Joel Setton wrote:


Sean,

I think we're making progress !

In Capacitance mode, the oscillator should run at 100 kHz in the left-hand
side of the range switch, and at 1kHz on the right-hand ranges. The
frequency switch is driven by relay K1.
Your voltage measurements on both sides of R25 show that when the
oscillator is stopped, the AGC loop (IC2, IC3, Q1) is rightly "attempting"
to restart it by increasing the gain of IC1, i.e. driving A1Q1 to a low
resistance. But A1Q1 is in variable-resistance mode only if its gate
voltage is positive, hence the 2.4V ideal value.

One thing that's puzzling me is that the oscillator should run at 1kHz or
100 kHz, but never at 12 kHz.Your measurements show that it runs at 12 kHz
when it should be doing 1kHz, on the "right-hand" C ranges. Let's see what
failure could increase frequency from an ideal 1kHz to 12 kHz. The 1kHz
frequency is set by R2, R3, C3 and C5. Testing the resistors should be
easy with an ohmmeter, and I would think they are OK, because if one of
them had failed the oscillator would still work OK on 100 kHz, using R1
and R4 (but it doesn't).
Testing the capacitors is more difficult. I would think that C3 and C5 are
suspects. You may want to try this: set the meter in Capacitance mode to
the "right" ranges, when the oscillator runs at 12 kHz. Then shunt C3 with
a 1nF capacitor and look at the output frequency (12kHz or 1 kHz ?). Then
remove the 1nF shunt capacitor across C3, and put a 10nF capacitor across
C5. Again, look at the oscillator frequency (12 kHz or 1kHz ?). That will
tell us something.

If one of capacitors C3 or C5 has failed in "open" mode, it would explain
why the oscillator runs at 12 kHz instead of 1 kHz. It would also explain
why it doesn't run at all on the "left-hand" ranges because while it can
do 100kHz, it can't run at 1 MHz. IC1 and IC2 are just too slow for that.

And, as before, DO keep me posted !

Joel