Re: Please avoid the use of bad language

#99037

Hello,

well, it is an attitude which, as of yesterday, is born by more than 25% of the population of Germany. In the UK, it even achieved a total majority in an election.

I could now say many things about EU laws such as RoHS or especially WEEE, which is insanely annoying for small businesses. But, who am I to argue.

Tam

With best regards
Tam HANNA

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On 2019. 09. 02. 19:17, Carsten Bormann wrote:
On Sep 2, 2019, at 17:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire@...> wrote:
Hey, be careful here, this is very subjective, and your assertion is
wrong.I don’t what “this” is, but the original message (f*** the EU) was both unprofessional and also totally unacceptable in a technical forum.  It was also unnecessary (and, to add injury to insult, it is not showing the intelligence of the poster in a very pleasant light).  If people can’t sense this, they should simply be more careful in using a foreign language.

And this doesn’t mean aligning to any standards of political correctness or whatever has been surmised here, or another enactment of My Fair Lady, just basic professionalism.

And what Anders said, +1000.

Grü?e, Carsten

Re: Please avoid the use of bad language

#99036

On Sep 2, 2019, at 17:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire@...> wrote:

Hey, be careful here, this is very subjective, and your assertion is
wrong.I don’t what “this” is, but the original message (f*** the EU) was both unprofessional and also totally unacceptable in a technical forum.  It was also unnecessary (and, to add injury to insult, it is not showing the intelligence of the poster in a very pleasant light).  If people can’t sense this, they should simply be more careful in using a foreign language.  

And this doesn’t mean aligning to any standards of political correctness or whatever has been surmised here, or another enactment of My Fair Lady, just basic professionalism.

And what Anders said, +1000.

Grü?e, Carsten

Re: Please avoid the use of bad language

#99035

Somewhere in my collection I have a pamphlet (dating most likely from the early sixties) detailing how an engineer should dress, behave, etc.? In one section it admonishes the reader to the effect that while swearing should be avoided in a professional situation, it may be necessary to say "damn" on occasion.

I've always thought that was hilarious.??

I do get tired of people who seem to have a vocabulary consisting of about 20 words, half of which involve what we're discussing here; can't they expand their vocabulary just a little?? It's just laziness in my opinion.?

-Dave

On Monday, September 2, 2019, 06:37:23 AM PDT, Tam Hanna <tamhan@...> wrote:

Hello Chuck,

now now. I see this as an offense to the English, having drunk with
Brit, Irishman, Scot and Welshperson (Kelper) in Slovakia and always
having had a to-the-point conversation without need for trigger warnings
or safe spaces.

IMHO, the time has come to fight back against this trend of
babyfication. When I was young, Austria had a lively political culture
from far right to far left. Yet, everyone respected the other personally
and individuals behaving like this fine specimen here
() would have been left out
to dry from shame.

But, I fully understand that my view of the world is as outdated as my
oscilloscope and TMI collection...given that forking the group is
impossible for me as I am already gravely overworked, and that I like
the (current) collection of members, I grudgingly bide to the owner's will.

However, let me state for the record that caving to feminist / SJW /
"for the children" demands, no matter how small, usually is the first
step to the downfall of an Engineering organization. I have seen this
many times in my recent career...and, now, have become an advocate for a
"No Quarters" attitude.

So, let the SJW influx begin.

With best regards
Tam HANNA

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On 2019. 09. 02. 14:49, Chuck Harris wrote:
> "Bad" is too loose of a term when you are moderating a forum with
> worldwide membership.
>
> What is bad to an Englishman, is Sunday church talk among of many
> of the Eastern European countries formerly of the Soviet Union, or
> their far Northern neighbors.
>
> You probably have to be more specific, and say what you really mean:
>
> Please avoid using graphic verbal portrayals of the rape of puppy dogs,
> ducks, apes, goats, humans and other entities; sex acts with humans,
> animals, common kitchen appliances and utensils, and other animate and
> inanimate objects; when posting on this group.? I am sure I have missed
> a few categories, but please avoid them too.
>
> When I want to learn new ways of swearing, all I have to do is wander
> over to the local middle school.
>
> -Chuck Harris (only partly in jest)
>
> Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd wrote:
>> I believe we should all encourage youngsters to join groups like these,
>> especially the HP/Agilent/Keysight group, which can be very educational. Do
>> please do so.
>>
>> I have received a complaint from someone who encouraged a young member to
>> join, but feels unhappy about the use of bad language. I can see her point.
>> So can you please all stop this.
>>
>> Dave (owner of both groups)
>>
>
>

Off-topic: Language

#99034

Yes, "foreign" would me much easier without all those dialects :)

I have fond memories of when I did a presentation, together with two colleagues from the UK, at a convention in the US. Appartently did some in the audience object to the use of Britsh English so in the evaluation we all received afterwards, we laughed out loud at the comment "There should only be Native American speakers" - OK. Time to brush up on my Navajo then :)

(sorry, the thread about bad language triggered this)

Re: Please avoid the use of bad language

#99033

Call me a curmudgeon...

I have received a complaint from someone who encouraged a young member to join, but feels unhappy about the use of bad language. I can see her point. So can you please all stop this

There are few things that require almost complete command of a language more than the use of swearwords. IMHO do they rarely add anything meaningful to a discussion, especially in a forum frequented by non-native-english speakers (like me). I can certainly understand the need to vent one's spleen in some cases, but swearing and profanity should not be the norm.

Just my 0.02€

Re: Please avoid the use of bad language

#99032

Hello,

I don't think this group can produce such profanity that I'd be worried if my kid got to read it.

If they're old enough for electronics, they're old enough to know about and glance over the "adult" expressions, and if they can't handle it, then

someone is failing at parenting.
Sadly, accepting that requires taking personal responsibility...which does not go along well with being a crybaby in the first place.

The issue here, is, that so far, conservatives have always walked away, hoping that the person will grow up. Sadly, practical experience shows that this is not the case.

IMHO, there are two possible outcomes. Either a) we stop giving a quarter, or b) other countries do it for us.

Tam

With best regards
Tam HANNA

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On 2019. 09. 02. 16:58, Razvan wrote:
I find it amusing that we're having this discussion here, which is the most formal online gathering I'm part of.

I don't think this group can produce such profanity that I'd be worried if my kid got to read it. If they're old enough for electronics, they're old enough to know about and glance over the "adult" expressions, and if they can't handle it, then someone is failing at parenting.

Regards,
Razvan

On 02/09/2019 16:36, Tam Hanna wrote:
Hello Chuck,

now now. I see this as an offense to the English, having drunk with Brit, Irishman, Scot and Welshperson (Kelper) in Slovakia and always having had a to-the-point conversation without need for trigger warnings or safe spaces.

IMHO, the time has come to fight back against this trend of babyfication. When I was young, Austria had a lively political culture from far right to far left. Yet, everyone respected the other personally and individuals behaving like this fine specimen here () would have been left out to dry from shame.

But, I fully understand that my view of the world is as outdated as my oscilloscope and TMI collection...given that forking the group is impossible for me as I am already gravely overworked, and that I like the (current) collection of members, I grudgingly bide to the owner's will.

However, let me state for the record that caving to feminist / SJW / "for the children" demands, no matter how small, usually is the first step to the downfall of an Engineering organization. I have seen this many times in my recent career...and, now, have become an advocate for a "No Quarters" attitude.

So, let the SJW influx begin.

With best regards
Tam HANNA

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On 2019. 09. 02. 14:49, Chuck Harris wrote:
"Bad" is too loose of a term when you are moderating a forum with
worldwide membership.

What is bad to an Englishman, is Sunday church talk among of many
of the Eastern European countries formerly of the Soviet Union, or
their far Northern neighbors.

You probably have to be more specific, and say what you really mean:

Please avoid using graphic verbal portrayals of the rape of puppy dogs,
ducks, apes, goats, humans and other entities; sex acts with humans,
animals, common kitchen appliances and utensils, and other animate and
inanimate objects; when posting on this group.? I am sure I have missed
a few categories, but please avoid them too.

When I want to learn new ways of swearing, all I have to do is wander
over to the local middle school.

-Chuck Harris (only partly in jest)

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd wrote:
I believe we should all encourage youngsters to join groups like these,
especially the HP/Agilent/Keysight group, which can be very educational. Do
please do so.

I have received a complaint from someone who encouraged a young member to
join, but feels unhappy about the use of bad language. I can see her point.
So can you please all stop this.

Dave (owner of both groups)

892X Cal file request ...RF I/O

#99031

Looking for the Cal fie for an RF I/O assembly .

Need to update the calibration factors for a repaired RF I/O and it looks like the easiest way is to just update an existing cal file with the needed values.

I have actually corrected the values on the EEPROM but the checksum? for that area is no off? and not sure what hash or checksum routine was used? ...looks like its 16 bits at the start of the array.

May be worthwhile to actually keep a collection of those files for the different assembly types as well

?

Thanks

Re: Please avoid the use of bad language

#99030

I once submitted a suggestion to an internet

social blog contact to check out the last track

of the soundtrack of the music from the film

"Home" by composer Armand Amar.

The name of that track got censored...

It seems that just about everyone gets offended

by everything these days.

Even our laser printer rejects print jobs

from time to time with the response:

"Error Offending Stack Command"

Cheers

Ulf Kylenfall

SM6GXV

Re: E4418B power meter clearing Ram battery failed

#99029

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Hi Paul,

I measured a working E4418B here.? The battery Voltage on mine is 2.8948V with J1 in and 2.8960V with J1 out.? The current measured across J1 is about 42 microAmperes.? This is without AC power connected.

Tom

On 9/2/2019 11:48 AM, Tom B wrote:

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Hi Paul,

First, measure the current draw on the battery when there the E4418B is disconnected from AC power.? You can do this by pulling the jumper (J1) and measuring the current across the jumper pins.?? If the current is too high (I can measure a good one later today), I would check C78 (10 microFarad, 10V cap) or diode CR2.? If those check good the problem could be in the battery monitor chip (U1).?? This being said, don't overlook the battery itself.? How old is the battery?

Tom Bryan
N3AJA

On 9/2/2019 9:40 AM, Paul Bicknell wrote:

My E4418B power meter came up with Ram battery failed

?

As I only replaced it 3 years ago I opened it up and it was at 0.2 volts?

So replaced it cleared the fault and did a sylph test it returned the same fault

?

This happened several times eventually it cleared?

After a second power cycle and several moor sylph tests

?

Any one else hade the same problem in clearing Ram battery failed

Re: E4418B power meter clearing Ram battery failed

#99028

开云体育

Hi Paul,

First, measure the current draw on the battery when there the E4418B is disconnected from AC power.? You can do this by pulling the jumper (J1) and measuring the current across the jumper pins.?? If the current is too high (I can measure a good one later today), I would check C78 (10 microFarad, 10V cap) or diode CR2.? If those check good the problem could be in the battery monitor chip (U1).?? This being said, don't overlook the battery itself.? How old is the battery?

Tom Bryan
N3AJA

On 9/2/2019 9:40 AM, Paul Bicknell wrote:

Show quoted text

My E4418B power meter came up with Ram battery failed

?

As I only replaced it 3 years ago I opened it up and it was at 0.2 volts?

So replaced it cleared the fault and did a sylph test it returned the same fault

?

This happened several times eventually it cleared?

After a second power cycle and several moor sylph tests

?

Any one else hade the same problem in clearing Ram battery failed

?

Regards Paul

Re: Please avoid the use of bad language

#99027

On 9/2/19 11:18 AM, j.kernkamp@... wrote:
I agree completely.? Inappropriate language is used for the same reason
as personal attacks - shock effect - and both should be banned.?
Basically, if YOU would not say it to your Mother or your kids, it's
inappropriate.? And, if you are a person that WOULD use such language on
your Mother or your kids, I would vote to ban you from the group.  Hey, be careful here, this is very subjective, and your assertion is
wrong.

  Case in point: I use "the F word" all the time, and it's not for
"shock effect", it's just a part of my normal, everyday vocabulary.  I'm
not a devil worshipper, an axe murderer, a drug addict, a child rapist,
or an uneducated thug...I just say "F***" a lot.  And I'm no outlier
here: Most people I know are exactly the same way.  And I keep a very
high signal/noise ratio amongst my social contacts; they are all
technical people, and nearly all engineers of one sort or another.

  And since you mentioned mothers, about mine: My mother is a noted AP
journalist, a published author, and was (before retirement) a respected
corporate CEO.  She said to me last night on the phone that she was
"F***ING SCARED" of this hurricane. (she's in Florida)

  With (at least some) respect, people who get all uppity because they
[gasp] HEARD A WORD really need to calm down and get a grip.  If that
sort of thing is really the worst thing that you face over the course of
a day, I'd gladly swap lives.

  Seriously.  I don't mean this as crappy as it sounds; I don't hate
these people.  I really do feel badly for people who are so sensitive
and touchy that their minds are thrown into a tailspin because someone
else said a word.  What happens when real problems pop up in life?  Some
nutjob Republican bumpkin with an AR-15 goes berzerk, your house catches
on fire, a friend gets cancer, or something like that?  If hearing a
word makes a person so upset, I'd not want to be anywhere near that
person in the face of real adversity.

  Don't sweat words.  Worry about what matters in life.  Please think
about this.

               -Dave

-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

Re: Please avoid the use of bad language

#99026

On 9/2/19 11:32 AM, Razvan wrote:
Wanting to keep your kid as a pure ray of light, and shifting the burden
of that goal on the world itself, is not only unreasonable, but
irresponsible.  We see the eventual result of that type of coddling in the news every day.

                -Dave

-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

Re: Please avoid the use of bad language

#99025

开云体育

And how do you know what that person would say in front of their mother or their kids?

I too agree that there is a limit, but I don't know what that limit is and I'd rather have social pressure than outright banning. Ultimately, if I don't like the way someone speaks, I'm going to block them. If everyone in that group is like that, then I can just leave.

Wanting to keep your kid as a pure ray of light, and shifting the burden of that goal on the world itself, is not only unreasonable, but irresponsible.

Regards,
Razvan

On 02/09/2019 18:18, j.kernkamp@... wrote:

I agree completely.? Inappropriate language is used for the same reason as personal attacks - shock effect - and both should be banned.? Basically, if YOU would not say it to your Mother or your kids, it's inappropriate.? And, if you are a person that WOULD use such language on your Mother or your kids, I would vote to ban you from the group.

-- 
Razvan Cojocariu
Cojotech SRL

+4073 558 3392

Re: Please avoid the use of bad language

#99024

Or the people around you have learned to protect *you* from such language, perhaps by expressed thoughts similar to the one you just posted.? I have found that real people, of all stripes, when they feel comfortable around and with you, will occasionally use such language.

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On 9/2/2019 11:18 AM, j.kernkamp@... wrote:
I agree completely.? Inappropriate language is used for the same reason as personal attacks - shock effect - and both should be banned.? Basically, if YOU would not say it to your Mother or your kids, it's inappropriate.? And, if you are a person that WOULD use such language on your Mother or your kids, I would vote to ban you from the group.

Re: Please avoid the use of bad language

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#99023

I agree completely.? Inappropriate language is used for the same reason as personal attacks - shock effect - and both should be banned.? Basically, if YOU would not say it to your Mother or your kids, it's inappropriate.? And, if you are a person that WOULD use such language on your Mother or your kids, I would vote to ban you from the group.

Re: Please avoid the use of bad language

#99022

I find it amusing that we're having this discussion here, which is the most formal online gathering I'm part of.

I don't think this group can produce such profanity that I'd be worried if my kid got to read it. If they're old enough for electronics, they're old enough to know about and glance over the "adult" expressions, and if they can't handle it, then someone is failing at parenting.

Regards,
Razvan

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On 02/09/2019 16:36, Tam Hanna wrote:
Hello Chuck,

now now. I see this as an offense to the English, having drunk with Brit, Irishman, Scot and Welshperson (Kelper) in Slovakia and always having had a to-the-point conversation without need for trigger warnings or safe spaces.


IMHO, the time has come to fight back against this trend of babyfication. When I was young, Austria had a lively political culture from far right to far left. Yet, everyone respected the other personally and individuals behaving like this fine specimen here () would have been left out to dry from shame.


But, I fully understand that my view of the world is as outdated as my oscilloscope and TMI collection...given that forking the group is impossible for me as I am already gravely overworked, and that I like the (current) collection of members, I grudgingly bide to the owner's will.


However, let me state for the record that caving to feminist / SJW / "for the children" demands, no matter how small, usually is the first step to the downfall of an Engineering organization. I have seen this many times in my recent career...and, now, have become an advocate for a "No Quarters" attitude.


So, let the SJW influx begin.


With best regards
Tam HANNA

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On 2019. 09. 02. 14:49, Chuck Harris wrote:
"Bad" is too loose of a term when you are moderating a forum with
worldwide membership.

What is bad to an Englishman, is Sunday church talk among of many
of the Eastern European countries formerly of the Soviet Union, or
their far Northern neighbors.

You probably have to be more specific, and say what you really mean:

Please avoid using graphic verbal portrayals of the rape of puppy dogs,
ducks, apes, goats, humans and other entities; sex acts with humans,
animals, common kitchen appliances and utensils, and other animate and
inanimate objects; when posting on this group.? I am sure I have missed
a few categories, but please avoid them too.

When I want to learn new ways of swearing, all I have to do is wander
over to the local middle school.

-Chuck Harris (only partly in jest)

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd wrote:
I believe we should all encourage youngsters to join groups like these,
especially the HP/Agilent/Keysight group, which can be very educational. Do
please do so.

I have received a complaint from someone who encouraged a young member to
join, but feels unhappy about the use of bad language. I can see her point.
So can you please all stop this.

Dave (owner of both groups)

-- 
Razvan Cojocariu

Re: Please avoid the use of bad language

#99021

Single Joule per Watt?

Peter

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On Sep 2, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Tam Hanna <tamhan@...> wrote:

Hello Chuck,

now now. I see this as an offense to the English, having drunk with Brit, Irishman, Scot and Welshperson (Kelper) in Slovakia and always having had a to-the-point conversation without need for trigger warnings or safe spaces.


IMHO, the time has come to fight back against this trend of babyfication. When I was young, Austria had a lively political culture from far right to far left. Yet, everyone respected the other personally and individuals behaving like this fine specimen here () would have been left out to dry from shame.


But, I fully understand that my view of the world is as outdated as my oscilloscope and TMI collection...given that forking the group is impossible for me as I am already gravely overworked, and that I like the (current) collection of members, I grudgingly bide to the owner's will.


However, let me state for the record that caving to feminist / SJW / "for the children" demands, no matter how small, usually is the first step to the downfall of an Engineering organization. I have seen this many times in my recent career...and, now, have become an advocate for a "No Quarters" attitude.


So, let the SJW influx begin.


With best regards
Tam HANNA

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On 2019. 09. 02. 14:49, Chuck Harris wrote:
"Bad" is too loose of a term when you are moderating a forum with
worldwide membership.

What is bad to an Englishman, is Sunday church talk among of many
of the Eastern European countries formerly of the Soviet Union, or
their far Northern neighbors.

You probably have to be more specific, and say what you really mean:

Please avoid using graphic verbal portrayals of the rape of puppy dogs,
ducks, apes, goats, humans and other entities; sex acts with humans,
animals, common kitchen appliances and utensils, and other animate and
inanimate objects; when posting on this group.  I am sure I have missed
a few categories, but please avoid them too.

When I want to learn new ways of swearing, all I have to do is wander
over to the local middle school.

-Chuck Harris (only partly in jest)

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd wrote:
I believe we should all encourage youngsters to join groups like these,
especially the HP/Agilent/Keysight group, which can be very educational. Do
please do so.

I have received a complaint from someone who encouraged a young member to
join, but feels unhappy about the use of bad language. I can see her point.
So can you please all stop this.

Dave (owner of both groups)

E4418B power meter clearing Ram battery failed

#99020

开云体育

My E4418B power meter came up with Ram battery failed

?

As I only replaced it 3 years ago I opened it up and it was at 0.2 volts?

So replaced it cleared the fault and did a sylph test it returned the same fault

?

This happened several times eventually it cleared?

After a second power cycle and several moor sylph tests

?

Any one else hade the same problem in clearing Ram battery failed

?

Regards Paul

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Re: Please avoid the use of bad language

#99019

Hello Chuck,

now now. I see this as an offense to the English, having drunk with Brit, Irishman, Scot and Welshperson (Kelper) in Slovakia and always having had a to-the-point conversation without need for trigger warnings or safe spaces.

IMHO, the time has come to fight back against this trend of babyfication. When I was young, Austria had a lively political culture from far right to far left. Yet, everyone respected the other personally and individuals behaving like this fine specimen here () would have been left out to dry from shame.

But, I fully understand that my view of the world is as outdated as my oscilloscope and TMI collection...given that forking the group is impossible for me as I am already gravely overworked, and that I like the (current) collection of members, I grudgingly bide to the owner's will.

However, let me state for the record that caving to feminist / SJW / "for the children" demands, no matter how small, usually is the first step to the downfall of an Engineering organization. I have seen this many times in my recent career...and, now, have become an advocate for a "No Quarters" attitude.

So, let the SJW influx begin.

With best regards
Tam HANNA

Enjoy electronics? Join 15k7 other followers by visiting the Crazy Electronics Lab at

Show quoted text

On 2019. 09. 02. 14:49, Chuck Harris wrote:
"Bad" is too loose of a term when you are moderating a forum with
worldwide membership.

What is bad to an Englishman, is Sunday church talk among of many
of the Eastern European countries formerly of the Soviet Union, or
their far Northern neighbors.

You probably have to be more specific, and say what you really mean:

Please avoid using graphic verbal portrayals of the rape of puppy dogs,
ducks, apes, goats, humans and other entities; sex acts with humans,
animals, common kitchen appliances and utensils, and other animate and
inanimate objects; when posting on this group.  I am sure I have missed
a few categories, but please avoid them too.

When I want to learn new ways of swearing, all I have to do is wander
over to the local middle school.

-Chuck Harris (only partly in jest)

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd wrote:
I believe we should all encourage youngsters to join groups like these,
especially the HP/Agilent/Keysight group, which can be very educational. Do
please do so.

I have received a complaint from someone who encouraged a young member to
join, but feels unhappy about the use of bad language. I can see her point.
So can you please all stop this.

Dave (owner of both groups)

Re: Please avoid the use of bad language

#99018

"Bad" is too loose of a term when you are moderating a forum with
worldwide membership.

What is bad to an Englishman, is Sunday church talk among of many
of the Eastern European countries formerly of the Soviet Union, or
their far Northern neighbors.

You probably have to be more specific, and say what you really mean:

Please avoid using graphic verbal portrayals of the rape of puppy dogs,
ducks, apes, goats, humans and other entities; sex acts with humans,
animals, common kitchen appliances and utensils, and other animate and
inanimate objects; when posting on this group.  I am sure I have missed
a few categories, but please avoid them too.

When I want to learn new ways of swearing, all I have to do is wander
over to the local middle school.

-Chuck Harris (only partly in jest)

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd wrote:

Show quoted text

I believe we should all encourage youngsters to join groups like these,
especially the HP/Agilent/Keysight group, which can be very educational. Do
please do so.

I have received a complaint from someone who encouraged a young member to
join, but feels unhappy about the use of bad language. I can see her point.
So can you please all stop this.

Dave (owner of both groups)