I think we all are seeing where this is going, so I'm taking the liberty to quote the

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On 02/09/19 20:52, Tam Hanna wrote:

Hello,

this now, leaves me in a bad situation - both Tom and you are Engineers whom I deeply respect.


However, if I look back at my life, I still feel that I owe to respond to this in defence of myself, my political attitudes and my world view. In my circle of contacts in the UK, almost 75% are pro Brexit. This, of course, is a question of the cluster effect and I agree to that.


HOWEVER: in the last 20 years, liberals have passed so many laws and statutes with no concern whatsoever given to conservatives thought.

Always ask yourself: if Remain had won 51 to 49 percent, how much consideration would have been given to Leave voters? Then, give exactly this amount to Remain voters.



With best regards
Tam HANNA

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On 2019. 09. 02. 21:21, Peter Gottlieb wrote:

Even the slimmest of majorities may end up severely damaging a country. Sometimes, by a voting system's quirks (electoral college), even a minority may end up being extremely damaging.? In any case it's close to 50:50.

Perhaps the problem is that the same mechanism (of the slightest of margins) which is used for deciding inconsequential issues is used for deciding existential issues.

Not sure there are any easy fixes.




On 9/2/2019 2:56 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 02/09/19 18:19, Tam Hanna wrote:

In the UK, it even achieved a total majority in an election

I've stayed out of this conversation until now, but misstatements like that are *far* more offensive than an odd word.

Even on the day, it was only 52:48, and it may well be reversed now.

Enough politics, before my blood turns to gas.

On 2019. 09. 02. 21:21, Peter Gottlieb wrote:

Even the slimmest of majorities may end up severely damaging a country. Sometimes, by a voting system's quirks (electoral college), even a minority may end up being extremely damaging.? In any case it's close to 50:50.

Perhaps the problem is that the same mechanism (of the slightest of margins) which is used for deciding inconsequential issues is used for deciding existential issues.

Not sure there are any easy fixes.




On 9/2/2019 2:56 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 02/09/19 18:19, Tam Hanna wrote:

In the UK, it even achieved a total majority in an election

I've stayed out of this conversation until now, but misstatements like that are *far* more offensive than an odd word.

Even on the day, it was only 52:48, and it may well be reversed now.

Enough politics, before my blood turns to gas.

On 9/2/2019 2:56 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 02/09/19 18:19, Tam Hanna wrote:

In the UK, it even achieved a total majority in an election

I've stayed out of this conversation until now, but misstatements like that are *far* more offensive than an odd word.

Even on the day, it was only 52:48, and it may well be reversed now.

Enough politics, before my blood turns to gas.

A month ago I have received - here in the UK - a letter from our Australian customer.?
You just don't get them like this anymore - nice envelope, other hemisphere stamps, good paper, old style font and hand signed.
Reasonably serious, technical business letter - including the F-word used for seemingly no particular reason!
Leo

On 9/2/2019 1:12 PM, Anders wrote:

Yes, "foreign" would me much easier without all those dialects :)

I have fond memories of when I did a presentation, together with two colleagues from the UK, at a convention in the US. Appartently did some in the audience object to the use of Britsh English so in the evaluation we all received afterwards, we laughed out loud at the comment "There should only be Native American speakers" - OK. Time to brush up on my Navajo then :)

(sorry, the thread about bad language triggered this)

On 9/2/2019 12:23 PM, ulf_r_k via Groups.Io wrote:

I once submitted a suggestion to an internet
social blog contact to check out the last track
of the soundtrack of the music from the film
"Home" by composer Armand Amar.

The name of that track got censored...

It seems that just about everyone gets offended
by everything these days.

Even our laser printer rejects print jobs
from time to time with the response:

"Error Offending Stack Command"

Cheers

Ulf Kylenfall
SM6GXV

On 2019. 09. 02. 19:17, Carsten Bormann wrote:

On Sep 2, 2019, at 17:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire@...> wrote:

Hey, be careful here, this is very subjective, and your assertion is
wrong.

I don¡¯t what ¡°this¡± is, but the original message (f*** the EU) was both unprofessional and also totally unacceptable in a technical forum. It was also unnecessary (and, to add injury to insult, it is not showing the intelligence of the poster in a very pleasant light). If people can¡¯t sense this, they should simply be more careful in using a foreign language.

And this doesn¡¯t mean aligning to any standards of political correctness or whatever has been surmised here, or another enactment of My Fair Lady, just basic professionalism.

And what Anders said, +1000.

Gr¨¹?e, Carsten

On 2019. 09. 02. 14:49, Chuck Harris wrote:
> "Bad" is too loose of a term when you are moderating a forum with
> worldwide membership.
>
> What is bad to an Englishman, is Sunday church talk among of many
> of the Eastern European countries formerly of the Soviet Union, or
> their far Northern neighbors.
>
> You probably have to be more specific, and say what you really mean:
>
> Please avoid using graphic verbal portrayals of the rape of puppy dogs,
> ducks, apes, goats, humans and other entities; sex acts with humans,
> animals, common kitchen appliances and utensils, and other animate and
> inanimate objects; when posting on this group.? I am sure I have missed
> a few categories, but please avoid them too.
>
> When I want to learn new ways of swearing, all I have to do is wander
> over to the local middle school.
>
> -Chuck Harris (only partly in jest)
>
> Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd wrote:
>> I believe we should all encourage youngsters to join groups like these,
>> especially the HP/Agilent/Keysight group, which can be very educational. Do
>> please do so.
>>
>> I have received a complaint from someone who encouraged a young member to
>> join, but feels unhappy about the use of bad language. I can see her point.
>> So can you please all stop this.
>>
>> Dave (owner of both groups)
>>
>
>

Hi Paul,

First, measure the current draw on the battery when there the E4418B is disconnected from AC power.? You can do this by pulling the jumper (J1) and measuring the current across the jumper pins.?? If the current is too high (I can measure a good one later today), I would check C78 (10 microFarad, 10V cap) or diode CR2.? If those check good the problem could be in the battery monitor chip (U1).?? This being said, don't overlook the battery itself.? How old is the battery?

Tom Bryan
N3AJA

On 9/2/2019 9:40 AM, Paul Bicknell wrote:

My E4418B power meter came up with Ram battery failed

?

As I only replaced it 3 years ago I opened it up and it was at 0.2 volts?

So replaced it cleared the fault and did a sylph test it returned the same fault

?

This happened several times eventually it cleared?

After a second power cycle and several moor sylph tests

?

Any one else hade the same problem in clearing Ram battery failed