On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 10:45 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
A 16600 series should be easy to open. Two T-10 screws on the top edge
of the case on the back, plus two T-15 screws holding the carry handle
on the side. Then the case should just slide off backwards.
Maybe the 16600-97010 Service Guide PDF file isn't available at
Keysight anymore.
Opened up last night and cleaned out all the dust and lint.?
I had to loosen the button screws on the top also.
Looks like will be easy to service if and when the time comes.?
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Wasn't able to find the service guide or anything other than sales documents regarding the 16601A.
Keysight reset the login's or at least my account and I have to create a new account.? Looks like the 16700 series has some documents, not the 16600.
Do you or anyone else have a copy of the?16600-97010 Service Guide PDF file or any other manuals?
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Re: Off Topic: 3D scanning and printing
I have some fairly decent 3D scanning hardware in my lab, and probably more appropriately, high-resolution digital coordinate probes that can be used to pick accurate measurements off of parts, directly into printable models.
if you¡¯d like us to take a crack at it, I¡¯d be happpy to give it a go.
(of course, i¡¯ve got standard plastic FDM printers, powder-bed printers and SLA printers available too.)
William Ray
Director, Computatioal Biology and Bioinformatics Division, The Ohio State University Biophysics Program.
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Re: Off Topic: 3D scanning and printing
Ashley,
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I¡¯m not too far from you in Coeur d¡¯Alene Idaho.? I have access to a 3D printer to see how this works.? I would need the 3D file.? You can contact me off group at
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Coeur d'Alene, ID? 83815
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Completely OT: We are looking for someone who will scan and 3D print a small HP part for us. The part is the Nose Piece for the HP RF/AC probe used on the HP 410C/HP
410B.
? We are not looking for a freebie, we are happy to compensate for services.
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Re: Off Topic: 3D scanning and printing
It's a fairly simple nose-cone-like shape; however, I think the tricky part is there are some fine OD threads that might not print well and, instead, may need to be machined after printing.
Thanks,
Barry - N4BUQ
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3D scanning has lagged far behind 3D printing. How complex is the shape of
the part? Do you think it might be more feasible to CAD model it and 3D
print that? Just a thought.
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Completely OT: We are looking for someone who will scan and 3D print a
small HP part for us. The part is the Nose Piece for the HP RF/AC probe
used on the HP 410C/HP 410B.
We are not looking for a freebie, we are happy to compensate for
services.
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Re: Off Topic: 3D scanning and printing
3D scanning has lagged far behind 3D printing. How complex is the shape of the part? Do you think it might be more feasible to CAD model it and 3D print that? Just a thought.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 2:58 PM Ashley Hall via Groups.Io <Ashley40= [email protected]> wrote:
Completely OT: We are looking for someone who will scan and 3D print a small HP part for us. The part is the Nose Piece for the HP RF/AC probe used on the HP 410C/HP 410B.
? We are not looking for a freebie, we are happy to compensate for services.
Thank You
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Kiss-Electronics
Ms Ashley Hall
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Completely OT: We are looking for someone who will scan and 3D print a small HP part for us. The part is the Nose Piece for the HP RF/AC probe used on the HP 410C/HP 410B.
? We are not looking for a freebie, we are happy to compensate for services.
Thank You
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Kiss-Electronics
Ms Ashley Hall
183 N 5th PL.
Cornelius, Oregon
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Re: E4406A firmware update Win7/10 problem
Also here is a blog post about setting it up with VMWare
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You can still get the Windows XP Mode VM
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This was built for Win7 to do exactly what you¡¯re talking about, running XP only software. You can either us Virtual PC or import it into VMWare Player I believe.
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Hi John,
I could do that :)
Dunno if MS would get their knickers-in-a-knot over XP being distributed
like that though.
regards
Tim
On 3/10/2018 9:43 AM, John Miles wrote:
>> I've been through your pain with my E4406A , so now I have a dedicated
>> XP VM just for the task.
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> That's the way to go, all right.? If your VM image doesn't contain anything private, you might think about zipping it up and uploading it to the manuals/firmware section at
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Re: E4406A firmware update Win7/10 problem
You can still get the Windows XP Mode VM
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This was built for Win7 to do exactly what you¡¯re talking about, running XP only software. You can either us Virtual PC or import it into VMWare Player I believe.
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Hi John,
I could do that :)
Dunno if MS would get their knickers-in-a-knot over XP being distributed
like that though.
regards
Tim
On 3/10/2018 9:43 AM, John Miles wrote:
>> I've been through your pain with my E4406A , so now I have a dedicated
>> XP VM just for the task.
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> That's the way to go, all right.? If your VM image doesn't contain anything private, you might think about zipping it up and uploading it to the manuals/firmware section at
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Re: E4406A firmware update Win7/10 problem
Good point, Didier might not want to take that chance.
In principle it should be fine since the VM will still be subject to product activation before it could actually be used as a general-purpose XP image, but MS likely won't see it that way.
-- john, KE5FX
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problem
Hi John,
I could do that :)
Dunno if MS would get their knickers-in-a-knot over XP being distributed
like that though.
regards
Tim
On 3/10/2018 9:43 AM, John Miles wrote:
I've been through your pain with my E4406A , so now I have a dedicated
XP VM just for the task.
That's the way to go, all right. If your VM image doesn't contain anything
private, you might think about zipping it up and uploading it to the
manuals/firmware section at www.ko4bb.com .
-- john, KE5FX
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Re: E4406A firmware update Win7/10 problem
Hi John,
I could do that :)
Dunno if MS would get their knickers-in-a-knot over XP being distributed like that though.
regards
Tim
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On 3/10/2018 9:43 AM, John Miles wrote: I've been through your pain with my E4406A , so now I have a dedicated
XP VM just for the task.
That's the way to go, all right. If your VM image doesn't contain anything private, you might think about zipping it up and uploading it to the manuals/firmware section at www.ko4bb.com .
-- john, KE5FX
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Re: E4406A firmware update Win7/10 problem
I've been through your pain with my E4406A , so now I have a dedicated
XP VM just for the task.
That's the way to go, all right. If your VM image doesn't contain anything private, you might think about zipping it up and uploading it to the manuals/firmware section at www.ko4bb.com . -- john, KE5FX
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Re: E4406A firmware update Win7/10 problem
Hi Neil, As per the email from Kuba... On 2/10/2018 11:06 PM, Kuba Ober wrote: Neil, probably the ¡°ancient¡± XP virtual machine would be ideal. +1 this . I've been through your pain with my E4406A , so now I have a dedicated XP VM just for the task. regards Tim
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Re: 16702A/B fan upgrade (was Recently accuired a Hp 16700a)
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 02:39 PM, jafinch78 . wrote:
Then I found this link also with some more options:?
Looks like this is the only product for sale from the manuf. based on the above reference:?https://www.addonics.com/products/adsalvd160.php
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Re: 16702A/B fan upgrade (was Recently accuired a Hp 16700a)
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 12:20 PM, Mark Litwack wrote:
after looking just now it seems to have vanished for any reasonable price.? $1000+ is crazy pricing.
Correct.? Do you have a reader to make a copy of the firmware and hopefully the PCB isn't many layers so a photo can help with reverse engineering? :-|)
Does seem more feasible after observing the pricing.?
I did find there are a few more adapters that have been made over the years... all if found at crazy pricing:
AztecMonster CF-3.5" SCSI Converter Card
Acard A500 and ACA500
IO-Data R-IDSC-E/R & IDSC21-E
Yamaha V769970
Then I found this link also with some more options:?
I sent cf2scsi a message for the price and I'll reply back with what cf2scsi support responds back with.?
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Re: 16702A/B fan upgrade (was Recently accuired a Hp 16700a)
I bought a SCSI2SD v5.0b in November 2017 and installed it in my
16702B and got it running without too much
trouble.?? There were some small mechanical issues but nothing too
much.?? I got a bunch of GNU software
downloaded and running as well.?? I did not alter the SCSI wiring,
just replaced the hard disk with the SCSI2SD.
I left the CD drive as originally configured.??? It seems like a
good product.
Pete.
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I had trouble with the SCSI2SD v6 in both a 16702A and a 16702B.?
Inertial Computing couldn't really figure it out either.? I
finally tracked it down to the SCSI2SD couldn't be on the same
SCSI chain with the CD ROM drive in either model analyzer.? But
the analyzer's original hard drive could be on the same SCSI chain
with the SCSI2SD card.? Weird.? So in the end, I had to do a two
step process of 1) reigniting a working SCSI hard drive with the
latest OS from the CD ROM drive, then 2) disconnect the CD ROM
drive and do a DD (unix disk copy command) of the hard drive to
the SCSI2SD.? From then on, the SCSI2SD worked without the hard
drive installed (though, as indicated, the speed improvement isn't
really there, probably due to other bottlenecks in the disk
subsystem).? All this would require one to have a working hard
drive in the analyzer to begin with, of course.? Which, without a
speed improvement, doesn't offer a lot of value to using the
SCSI2SD in this application (though I kept it and use it in the
16702B, keeping the original working hard drive as a backup since
I wouldn't be able to reignite directly to the SCSI2SD if it
failed).
The owner of Inertial Computing was very helpful in diagnosing all
of this.? Great guy to work with.? But ultimately, the technology
just didn't quite work as expected in THIS particular
application...at least for me and across two analyzers.
Scott
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Re: 16702A/B fan upgrade (was Recently accuired a Hp 16700a)
The Acard ARS-2000SUP was $200 when I bought it about a year ago, and that was already more than what I wanted to sink into an old logic analyzer.? But I had to know if it was going to get me the big speed improvement.? I bought it new on ebay, and after looking just now it seems to have vanished for any reasonable price.? $1000+ is crazy pricing.
You could send mail to Inertial Computing and ask about the 16601A with the SCSI2SD v6.? The 16601A appears in the compatibility list for the v5 here:
Inertial Computing did give me a full refund after we failed to get the v6 working.
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In my search for solid state SCSI devices, I also came across this:
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No prices and I have no experience with them.? Judging by the fancy look of their web site and their customer brag list, it's probably expensive.
Of course there's always the possibility of finding an actual SSD SCSI drive, but compatibility with the16601A will likely be hit-or-miss, and like everything SCSI now-a-days, sure to be over-priced.
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Re: 16702A/B fan upgrade (was Recently accuired a Hp 16700a)
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 09:05 AM, Mark Litwack wrote:
Acard ARS-2000SUP
Good info that pointed me in a direction I was wanting to go with the 16601A.? I was thinking about using the Noctua fan on my TDS-520 mod test bed. Specs don't match however.
Are there any other PATA/SATA to SCSI converters other than the Acard ARS-2000SUP on the market??
$1,000 was more than I expected to find and seems like an interesting project in itself.? I'd like a copy of that systems firmware and schematic.
Had anyone tried on the SCSI2SD v5 or SCSI2SD v6 on a 16601A or 16600 series?
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Re: 16702A/B fan upgrade (was Recently accuired a Hp 16700a)
I had trouble with the SCSI2SD v6 in both a 16702A and a 16702B.? Inertial Computing couldn't really figure it out either.? I finally tracked it down to the SCSI2SD couldn't be on the same SCSI chain with the CD ROM drive in either model analyzer.? But the analyzer's original hard drive could be on the same SCSI chain with the SCSI2SD card.? Weird.? So in the end, I had to do a two step process of 1) reigniting a working SCSI hard drive with the latest OS from the CD ROM drive, then 2) disconnect the CD ROM drive and do a DD (unix disk copy command) of the hard drive to the SCSI2SD.? From then on, the SCSI2SD worked without the hard drive installed (though, as indicated, the speed improvement isn't really there, probably due to other bottlenecks in the disk subsystem).? All this would require one to have a working hard drive in the analyzer to begin with, of course.? Which, without a speed improvement, doesn't offer a lot of value to using the SCSI2SD in this application (though I kept it and use it in the 16702B, keeping the original working hard drive as a backup since I wouldn't be able to reignite directly to the SCSI2SD if it failed).
The owner of Inertial Computing was very helpful in diagnosing all of this.? Great guy to work with.? But ultimately, the technology just didn't quite work as expected in THIS particular application...at least for me and across two analyzers.
Scott
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Re: 16702A/B fan upgrade (was Recently accuired a Hp 16700a)
I have a 16702B logic analyzer, and I was unable to get the SCSI2SD v6 to work on it after over a month of back and forth with Inertial Computing.? They thought it was a signaling level problem and even sent me a modified board to try, but to no avail.? That was about a year and a half ago, and I still don't see the 16702B on their compatibility list.? The 16702A *is* on the list, but I can't vouch for it.
I also tried the SCSI2SD v5, and that worked fine, but it was actually about 15% slower than the original hard drive (measuring a boot time of about 3:20).
I eventually ended up with an Acard ARS-2000SUP, which is a 20MB/s SATA to SCSI converter, and installed an SSD in it.? That was only faster by about 10-20%.
I was hoping for a big improvement in getting rid of the mechanical disk, but clearly these systems are constrained by more than just disk I/O.
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Re: Power Supply PCB Microfuses for H/P 8656A
Those plug-in fuses are convenient but expensive. Just replacing missing ones can take a lot of money at over $5 a pop, and if they start blowing and you have to troubleshoot, it can get quite painful. If you are willing to solder in a leaded fuse that looks like a small resistor you can save a lot of money, which is what I did years ago? on an HP 8640B signal generator. You do lose the convenience of a plug-in but it costs a lot less. (I wrote about this in my "Idea Exchange" column in the QRP Quarterly, a small ham radio publication, in 2011.)
I have some things to take care of today but I'll pass along some DigiKey numbers later. (The leaded fuses from Littelfuse cost under a dollar each.)
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Dale Dean / AF7WH