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Re: OT Weinschel/Aeroflex 8310 programmable attenuator


 

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Hi Jim,

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I somewhat agree with you regarding the quality of the attenuator modules.

I'm used to HP11713 A or Agilent 11713C controllers and 18GHz attenuators that go with them...it's not the same kind of design.

But it also depends on the application. Here is the result of a test on a 50dB switching: My Spectrum is in a max resBW of 8 MHz, in zero span, and I obtain a switching response of 550ns for a level almost 0.5dB from the final value , and 1us for a value close to 0.1dB.

So, this attenuator is very interesting for speed, but less for precision and stability.

In addition, its frequency response is not constant depending on the attenuation value, but for narrow band applications, this is not a big handicap.

For me, this attenuator is a good addition to what I already had.

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Yves

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De?: [email protected] <[email protected]> De la part de Jim Ford
·¡²Ô±¹´Ç²â¨¦?: 17 novembre 2023 18:18
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Objet?: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] OT Weinschel/Aeroflex 8310 programmable attenuator

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Hi, George and Yves.? I used an 8310 at work a few years ago.? We found the attenuator modules inside the box unreliable, unfortunately.? At least the interface was simple enough.? Good luck with yours!? ? ? ?Jim Ford

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From: Gyorgy Albert <gyorgy.albert@...>

Date: 11/17/23 2:04 PM (GMT-08:00)

Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] OT Weinschel/Aeroflex 8310 programmable attenuator

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Hi Yves,

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I have an identical unit like yours. The 8310 manual is not really including the setup and programming details, only on the top level, to access the attenuator values. In the 8210 manual ( this is the controller, and it is the board with the 24LC256) there are more details. Here is a link to the pdf file :

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It is quite a smart device, as the attenuators themselves. Actually I have a pair of 150T series 18 GHz attenuators (11+110 dB), and I tried to configure the 8210, to replace the original 0.8-2.4 GHz attenuator. During the initial trials, at a moment I was desperate because it was not working, and I assumed that it might be a good idea, to erase the EEPROM which contains the configuration, so I can start with a fresh one. But unfortunately it erased also the display and keyboard settings.

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After that, I figured out, that it was a mistake in the manual, and this was the cause of my settings failure. So all the settings worked in the end, and I could configure the new attenuator pair.

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Since I wrote the first email I made some other trials, and I have a hunch. There are some system level command keywords, which are not directly accessible over GPIB, used for the configuration. But you define a Macro, which contains these system level commands. You can set the default Poweron macro to execute some system level commands, and this will enable the display/keyboard at startup ( in the 8210 manual there is a reference to a document: SmartStep Programmers Reference, but I have not find it. It could contain the missing information. I wrote to Spectrumcontrol, but as I imagined, they didn¡¯t answer).

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These macros are saved to the EEPROM, so making a copy, I could use it. But this is even not necessary (as I figured out). The Macros can be read out on GPIB. If you could try to read them out, I can give you the command sequence ( of course they are in the 8210 manual). In my 8310, after the EEPROM erasure, there us only a default Poweron macro, which is doing in fact nothing. The EEPROM is not containing any Macro definition (because this is the default, and it is not saved in the EEPROM, it is in the firmware).

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Thanks in advance,

G

Gyorgy Albert

Tehnologistic

+40-722-304534

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On 17 Nov 2023, at 23:13, Yves Tardif <yves_tardif@...> wrote:

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Hi Gyorgy,

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I have a Weinschel 8310-136-F firmware V 2.70. What is your exact model from the list...the contents of the 24LC256 could be different from mine.

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There is an internal dip switch, and possibly a link for internal rs-232 communication of the device.

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But what command did you use to erase your EEPROM, I can't find anything in the operation and service manual.

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Yves

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De?: [email protected] <[email protected]> De la part de Gyorgy Albert
·¡²Ô±¹´Ç²â¨¦?: 17 novembre 2023 13:10
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Objet?: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] OT Weinschel/Aeroflex 8310 programmable attenuator

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Hi All,
I apologize for the off topic, but I am in trouble, and I don't find any sources of information. Maybe one of you will be able to help.

By a stupid mistake I erased the EEPROM of my 8310 programmable attenuator (don't as how, because it is simple. There is a GPIB command ERASE EEPROM. And it worked :-( ).
I could restore all the attenuator configurations, and the control over GPIB is working fine. But my front panel keyboard and display remains disabled. And I don't find any information about how could I enable it (over GPIB). For sure there are some related GPIB commands, but in the manual of the 8210 (the smart step controller) these are not documented (normally the controller is delivered without a connected keyboard and display).

I wonder if someone is using these Smart Step attenuators, and could make a copy of the configuration EEPROM (or already has a copy). It is a 24LC256 (but is SMD, in SO8 package). So it would be a little hassle to extract it, and copy it. But maybe, once in my life I have a bit of luck.

Thanks for any help.

Gyorgy/George

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