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Re: Finding mvs/http link for tk4-, Vista, etc?

 

Sorry, forgot I hadn't started MVS3.8 yet. My bad.
Bernard

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 5:26 PM cjar1950 via <cjar1950=[email protected]> wrote:
Bernard,

Do you have to open the port in the Windows 11 firewall?

Chris
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 17:19:07 -0600
"Bernard Rich" <bernard.rich1957@...> wrote:
> When I launch Vista3270 it requires me to enter an IP port and the one I
> previously used (3270) is not accepted. Suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Bernard
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 5:06 PM Mike Stramba <mikestramba@...> wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure what your question is.
> >
> > E.g are you looking for the link to vista 3270 website ?? ?( tk-4 website ?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 5:41 PM Bernard Rich <bernard.rich1957@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I had to buy a new PC to run Windows 11 and have forgotten how to
> >> identify link IDs for Vista,? tk4- and related peripheral apps to //https.
> >> Any refs to appropriate docs, apps, etc?
> >> Thanks very much,
> >> Bernard Rich
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>








Re: Finding mvs/http link for tk4-, Vista, etc?

 

Bernard,

Do you have to open the port in the Windows 11 firewall?

Chris
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<cjar1950@...>



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On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 17:19:07 -0600
"Bernard Rich" <bernard.rich1957@...> wrote:
When I launch Vista3270 it requires me to enter an IP port and the one I
previously used (3270) is not accepted. Suggestions?
Thanks,
Bernard

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 5:06 PM Mike Stramba <mikestramba@...> wrote:

I'm not sure what your question is.

E.g are you looking for the link to vista 3270 website ? ( tk-4 website ?

Mike

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 5:41 PM Bernard Rich <bernard.rich1957@...>
wrote:

I had to buy a new PC to run Windows 11 and have forgotten how to
identify link IDs for Vista, tk4- and related peripheral apps to //https.
Any refs to appropriate docs, apps, etc?
Thanks very much,
Bernard Rich





Re: Finding mvs/http link for tk4-, Vista, etc?

 

When I launch Vista3270 it requires?me to enter an IP port and the one I previously used (3270) is not accepted. Suggestions?
Thanks,
Bernard?

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 5:06 PM Mike Stramba <mikestramba@...> wrote:
I'm not sure what your question is.

E.g are you looking for the link to vista 3270 website ??? ( tk-4 website ?

Mike

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 5:41 PM Bernard Rich <bernard.rich1957@...> wrote:
I had to buy a new PC to?run Windows 11 and have forgotten how to identify link IDs for Vista,? tk4- and related peripheral apps to //https. Any refs to appropriate docs, apps, etc?
Thanks very much,
Bernard Rich


Re: Finding mvs/http link for tk4-, Vista, etc?

Mike Stramba
 

I'm not sure what your question is.

E.g are you looking for the link to vista 3270 website ??? ( tk-4 website ?

Mike


On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 5:41 PM Bernard Rich <bernard.rich1957@...> wrote:
I had to buy a new PC to?run Windows 11 and have forgotten how to identify link IDs for Vista,? tk4- and related peripheral apps to //https. Any refs to appropriate docs, apps, etc?
Thanks very much,
Bernard Rich


Finding mvs/http link for tk4-, Vista, etc?

 

I had to buy a new PC to?run Windows 11 and have forgotten how to identify link IDs for Vista,? tk4- and related peripheral apps to //https. Any refs to appropriate docs, apps, etc?
Thanks very much,
Bernard Rich


Re: OT: "Sent from whatever device I am using."

 

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 09:21 PM, Fish Fish wrote:
I'm just curious why some people (or some devices??) feel the need to append the message:

"Sent from whatever device I am using."
Groups.io actually strips out quite a few of the common ones but i's the custom ones like this that get through the filters.

Regards
Andy


Re: OT: "Sent from whatever device I am using."

 

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 04:14:19PM -0800, Fish Fish wrote:
Matthew Wilson wrote:

[...]
Whether it actually has an effect on recipients or not, I see
the "Sent from a mobile device" signature as a subtle plea
that really reads "please don't judge me too harshly for any
typos in this message, and if I sound rude or terse please
understand it's probably because typing on phones is horrible
so I'm trying to make it quick."

Maybe I'm just crazy but that's my thought process :-)
I don't think you're crazy at all, Matthew, because THAT makes perfect
sense! Thanks!
There must be at least a few people who feel the same way. I just noticed a
coworker at my current employer has the phrase his phone adds set to:

Blundered out from my iPhone

Now that I have access to work e-mail on my phone, I think I'll try to find
that setting in my phone and set it to the same in case I ever have to
resort to sending an e-mail from my phone.




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Kevin


Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.


Re: OT: "Sent from whatever device I am using."

 

Matthew Wilson wrote:

[...]
Whether it actually has an effect on recipients or not, I see
the "Sent from a mobile device" signature as a subtle plea
that really reads "please don't judge me too harshly for any
typos in this message, and if I sound rude or terse please
understand it's probably because typing on phones is horrible
so I'm trying to make it quick."

Maybe I'm just crazy but that's my thought process :-)
I don't think you're crazy at all, Matthew, because THAT makes perfect sense! Thanks!

I guess I'm actually the crazy one because I don't even own a mobile phone.

Nor a laptop.

Nor "do" social media.

Nor play games on my computer.

Etc.

--
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories

mail: fish@...


Re: SMP/E r4 books?

 

Grabbed. Thanks!


On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 5:06 PM Jeff Snyder <jsnyder1369@...> wrote:
Hey Jay,

The Centre for Computing History has the following r5 manuals online.? Not r4, but pretty close...

Exhibit??? Ref Code??? Date??? Item

8600??? GC28-1108-6??? Jun-90??? IBM - System Modification Program Extended Messages and Codes Release 5


8602??? SC23-0130-3??? Jun-89??? IBM - System Modification Program Extended Installation Release 5


8601??? SC23-0221-3??? Jun-90??? IBM - System Modification Program Extended Program Packaging Guide Release 5


8341??? SC28-1302-8??? Jun-90??? System Modification Program Extended - Users Guide



Jeff



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Jay Maynard


Re: SMP/E r4 books?

 

Hey Jay,

The Centre for Computing History has the following r5 manuals online.? Not r4, but pretty close...

Exhibit??? Ref Code??? Date??? Item

8600??? GC28-1108-6??? Jun-90??? IBM - System Modification Program Extended Messages and Codes Release 5


8602??? SC23-0130-3??? Jun-89??? IBM - System Modification Program Extended Installation Release 5


8601??? SC23-0221-3??? Jun-90??? IBM - System Modification Program Extended Program Packaging Guide Release 5


8341??? SC28-1302-8??? Jun-90??? System Modification Program Extended - Users Guide



Jeff


Re: OT: "Sent from whatever device I am using."

 

On 01.12.2023 17:00, gdblodgett wrote:
Many of the hardware manufacturers email software embeds the model name
and number on the bottom of the emails.? So to make it harder for bad
actors to send targeted malware to me I change, thats all.
Unfortunately, the email signature in the message body itself is just
one indication of the device you're using; changing it doesn't change
the others.

For example, in that message you sent, the MIME part boundary was
"--_com.samsung.android.email_11545092392523990". So I'm going to
venture a guess that if I were a bad actor who wanted to send you
targeted malware to exploit a known flaw in your device... I'd pull out
something for a Samsung device running Android.

But I'd never do that to you :-)

-Matthew


Re: OT: "Sent from whatever device I am using."

 

Fish,

It's a default setting. It does not show in the compose window. So the
device owner is not aware of it until someone complains.
They then have to decide if its easier to ignore the complainant or figure
out how to turn it off.
Probably the first is easier. On my Android the second is a pain. To get to
the settings I have to scroll past all my folders (there are a few) to get
to the setting cog and then find the setting....
So the basic answer is "ignorance" and/or "laziness" - you choose.

Dave
G4UGM & EA7KAE

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Fish Fish
Sent: 12 January 2023 21:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: [H390-MVS] OT: "Sent from whatever device I am using."

(OFF TOPIC)

NOTE: I'm NOT picking on you, Gary, because I've seen it from other people
as
well, BUT...

I'm just curious why some people (or some devices??) feel the need to
append
the message:

"Sent from whatever device I am using."

(or similar type message, e.g. sent from my <insert brand of phone> phone)
to
their posts? Do they (or the device they're using??) honestly believe
that's
important information for the recipient to know?

It's not *completely* annoying to me, but is admittedly *slightly*
(somewhat)
annoying, as it provides absolutely no useful/helpful information.

Why do people(?)/devices(?) do that?

Again, I'm not really complaining!

I'm just, well, somewhat confused and curious by it all.

(weird)

--
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories

mail: fish@...






Re: OT: "Sent from whatever device I am using."

 

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 01:58:50PM -0800, Matthew Wilson wrote:

I see the "Sent from a mobile device" signature as a subtle plea that
really reads "please don't judge me too harshly for any typos in this
message, and if I sound rude or terse please understand it's probably
because typing on phones is horrible so I'm trying to make it quick."

Maybe I'm just crazy but that's my thought process :-)
You're not crazy. A phone is a sub-optimal device for e-mail at best. The
above sounds like a perfectly reasonable plea. I don't use my phone for
personal e-mail, or for texting if I can avoid it. I prefer a full grown
keyboard with keys I can feel. With my current e-mail setup, I can't even
access my personal e-mail from my phone. Sadly, my employer recently
insisted that I get my phone set up so that I can at least check my work
e-mail from my phone when I'm on call. Uggghhh.




--

Kevin


Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.


Re: OT: "Sent from whatever device I am using."

 

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Hi Fish,

Many of the hardware manufacturers email software embeds the model name and number on the bottom of the emails.? So to make it harder for bad actors to send targeted malware to me I change, thats all.

Regards,
Gary


Sent from whatever device I am using.


-------- Original message --------
From: Fish Fish <david.b.trout@...>
Date: 1/12/23 4:21 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [H390-MVS] OT: "Sent from whatever device I am using."

(OFF TOPIC)

NOTE: I'm NOT picking on you, Gary, because I've seen it from other people as well, BUT...

I'm just curious why some people (or some devices??) feel the need to append the message:

?? "Sent from whatever device I am using."

(or similar type message, e.g. sent from my <insert brand of phone> phone) to their posts? Do they (or the device they're using??) honestly believe that's important information for the recipient to know?

It's not *completely* annoying to me, but is admittedly *slightly* (somewhat) annoying, as it provides absolutely no useful/helpful information.

Why do people(?)/devices(?) do that?

Again, I'm not really complaining!

I'm just, well, somewhat confused and curious by it all.

(weird)

--
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
http://www.softdevlabs.com
mail: fish@...








Re: OT: "Sent from whatever device I am using."

 

Hi Fish,

On 01.12.2023 13:20, Fish Fish wrote:
(OFF TOPIC)

I'm just curious why some people (or some devices??) feel the need to append the message:

"Sent from whatever device I am using."

(or similar type message, e.g. sent from my <insert brand of phone> phone) to their posts? Do they (or the device they're using??) honestly believe that's important information for the recipient to know?

It's not *completely* annoying to me, but is admittedly *slightly* (somewhat) annoying, as it provides absolutely no useful/helpful information.

Why do people(?)/devices(?) do that?
There are two reasons in my mind:

1) Free advertising for device manufacturers. When you buy a new iPhone
or Samsung device, they set the signature to "Sent from my iPhone" or
"Sent from my Samsung Galaxy" or something along those lines by default.
They figure (correctly) that a large percentage of people won't bother
going through the settings pages, finding the spot a couple layers deep
where you can change or remove that. So... the device makers get free
advertising.

2) I change mine on my phone to "Sent from a mobile device." No free
advertising for a company I paid hundreds of dollars to, but still
communicates context to the recipient. I don't often send emails from my
phone, but when I do, they don't reflect my usual attention to detail or
thoroughness. Typing long-form content on phones isn't ideal, and they
tend to change your words ("auto-correct") without you noticing, and I'm
less likely to fully explain my thoughts because I just can't be
bothered to try to type very much on a tiny on-screen keyboard. Whether
it actually has an effect on recipients or not, I see the "Sent from a
mobile device" signature as a subtle plea that really reads "please
don't judge me too harshly for any typos in this message, and if I sound
rude or terse please understand it's probably because typing on phones
is horrible so I'm trying to make it quick."

Maybe I'm just crazy but that's my thought process :-)

-Matthew


OT: "Sent from whatever device I am using."

 

(OFF TOPIC)

NOTE: I'm NOT picking on you, Gary, because I've seen it from other people as well, BUT...

I'm just curious why some people (or some devices??) feel the need to append the message:

"Sent from whatever device I am using."

(or similar type message, e.g. sent from my <insert brand of phone> phone) to their posts? Do they (or the device they're using??) honestly believe that's important information for the recipient to know?

It's not *completely* annoying to me, but is admittedly *slightly* (somewhat) annoying, as it provides absolutely no useful/helpful information.

Why do people(?)/devices(?) do that?

Again, I'm not really complaining!

I'm just, well, somewhat confused and curious by it all.

(weird)

--
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories

mail: fish@...


Re: SMP/E r4 books?

 

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Jay,

I've got the June 2000 OS/390 collection (9 CDs) which has OS/390 Release 2.5-2.9, which may be newer than what you are looking for.? Let me know.

Regards,

Gary

On 1/12/23 09:41, Jay Maynard wrote:

I hadn't thought of that! Please do. I think I have one of those around here somewhere, but no idea where.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 8:29 AM gdblodgett <gdblodgett@...> wrote:
Hi Jay,

I have a complete OS/390 doc set in Book Master format from about Y2K at home.? I'm out at the moment. If that is close to what you are looking for I can dig out the specifics later today.?

Regards,
Gary



Sent from whatever device I am using.


-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Maynard <jaymaynard@...>
Date: 1/12/23 8:27 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] SMP/E r4 books?

Thanks, Greg, but I'm looking for SMP/E release 4, not SMP 4. Bit of a difference there.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 7:25 AM Greg Price <procegrog@...> wrote:
I'll mention that a version of the main manual is available from


Cheers,
Greg


On 12/01/2023 11:58 pm, Jay Maynard wrote:
This is a long shot, I know, but does anyone have any SMP/E release 4 manuals? Bitsavers came up dry.

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Jay Maynard



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Jay Maynard



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Jay Maynard


Re: SMP/E r4 books?

 

Thanks!


On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 1:02 PM Jim Ruddy <ruddyja5@...> wrote:
SC28-1302-11_System_Modification_Program_Extended_Users_Guide_Rel_6_Apr92 uploaded to files.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 8:28 AM Jay Maynard <jaymaynard@...> wrote:
Truly SMP/E r4. The r6 book is closer than what's available on Bitsavers, so yeah, useful.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 10:10 AM Jim Ruddy <ruddyja5@...> wrote:
Are you looking for SMP release 4 or truly looking for SMP/e release 4? I have GC28-0673-5 OS/VS System Modification Program (SMP) System Programmer's Guide which says it is for 04.10. I also have SC28-1302-11 but it says it is for SMP/E Release 6. Close enough?

Jim

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 4:58 AM Jay Maynard <jaymaynard@...> wrote:
This is a long shot, I know, but does anyone have any SMP/E release 4 manuals? Bitsavers came up dry.

--
Jay Maynard



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Jay Maynard



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Jay Maynard


Re: SMP/E r4 books?

 

SC28-1302-11_System_Modification_Program_Extended_Users_Guide_Rel_6_Apr92 uploaded to files.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 8:28 AM Jay Maynard <jaymaynard@...> wrote:
Truly SMP/E r4. The r6 book is closer than what's available on Bitsavers, so yeah, useful.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 10:10 AM Jim Ruddy <ruddyja5@...> wrote:
Are you looking for SMP release 4 or truly looking for SMP/e release 4? I have GC28-0673-5 OS/VS System Modification Program (SMP) System Programmer's Guide which says it is for 04.10. I also have SC28-1302-11 but it says it is for SMP/E Release 6. Close enough?

Jim

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 4:58 AM Jay Maynard <jaymaynard@...> wrote:
This is a long shot, I know, but does anyone have any SMP/E release 4 manuals? Bitsavers came up dry.

--
Jay Maynard



--
Jay Maynard


Re: SMP/E r4 books?

 

Truly SMP/E r4. The r6 book is closer than what's available on Bitsavers, so yeah, useful.


On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 10:10 AM Jim Ruddy <ruddyja5@...> wrote:
Are you looking for SMP release 4 or truly looking for SMP/e release 4? I have GC28-0673-5 OS/VS System Modification Program (SMP) System Programmer's Guide which says it is for 04.10. I also have SC28-1302-11 but it says it is for SMP/E Release 6. Close enough?

Jim

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 4:58 AM Jay Maynard <jaymaynard@...> wrote:
This is a long shot, I know, but does anyone have any SMP/E release 4 manuals? Bitsavers came up dry.

--
Jay Maynard



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Jay Maynard