Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
I really had no intention of creating a huge thread about this¡.? Sorry.
?
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:33 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:
I remember using PIP. (PeriphericalIntechangeProgram) rather then IEBGENNER to move files around, but it¡¯s the same logic. Different companies had to have their own terms, just to make it harder on us to move platforms.? ? Oh wait - they
still do that...? ?LS / DIR etc etc etc
"No, no, NO! This is UNIX, you take the vowels out."?
--
Drew Derbyshire
?
"Sad, really, isn't it?? People spend all their time making nice things
and other people come along and break them."
?????????????????????????? -- Dr. Who?, "The Enemy of the World:3"
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:33 AM Dave Trainor < dave@...> wrote:
I remember using PIP.
(PeriphericalIntechangeProgram) rather then IEBGENNER to move
files around, but it¡¯s the same logic. Different companies had to
have their own terms, just to make it harder on us to move
platforms.? ? Oh wait - they still do that...? ?LS / DIR etc etc
etc
"No, no, NO! This is UNIX, you take the vowels out."?
--
Drew Derbyshire
"Sad, really, isn't it? People spend all their time making nice things
and other people come along and break them."
-- Dr. Who?, "The Enemy of the World:3"
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
Sorry for the miscommunication.
Joe
Joe, OK but to me that¡¯s not what you wrote. To me ¡°PIP is CPM¡± implies exclusivity. Dave ? ? Oh I dont?doubt that. I was just mentioning it was in CP/M. ? Joe, ? CP/M copied it from various DEC PDP operating systems. It was still in early releases of VMS but has gone from current versions. ?
? Dave ? ? ? On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:33 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote: I remember using PIP. (PeriphericalIntechangeProgram) rather then IEBGENNER to move files around, but it¡¯s the same logic. Different companies had to have their own terms, just to make it harder on us to move platforms.? ? Oh wait - they still do that...? ?LS / DIR etc etc etc
Dave
?On 6/27/20, 1:26 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dave Trainor" <[email protected] on behalf of dave@...> wrote:
? ? Wikipedia to the rescue - yeah I guess a VAX 11/780. And more like Junior-senior year. But hey it was 42 years ago and a lot of college drinking. Like the nerds never did any drinking..
? ? Dave
? ? On 6/27/20, 1:22 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Drew Derbyshire" <[email protected] on behalf of swhobbit@...> wrote:
? ? ? ? On 6/26/20 10:13 PM, Theodore M Rolle Jr wrote:
? ? ? ? > PDP 11/780
? ? ? ? ??? (a typo, obviously).
? ? ? ? --
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? ? ? ? "What's past is prologue"? -- William Shakespeare
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Joe, OK but to me that¡¯s not what you wrote. To me ¡°PIP is CPM¡± implies exclusivity. Dave ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joe Monk
Sent: 27 June 2020 15:56
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)? Oh I dont?doubt that. I was just mentioning it was in CP/M. ? Joe, ? CP/M copied it from various DEC PDP operating systems. It was still in early releases of VMS but has gone from current versions. ?
? Dave ? ? ? On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:33 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote: I remember using PIP. (PeriphericalIntechangeProgram) rather then IEBGENNER to move files around, but it¡¯s the same logic. Different companies had to have their own terms, just to make it harder on us to move platforms.? ? Oh wait - they still do that...? ?LS / DIR etc etc etc
Dave
?On 6/27/20, 1:26 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dave Trainor" <[email protected] on behalf of dave@...> wrote:
? ? Wikipedia to the rescue - yeah I guess a VAX 11/780. And more like Junior-senior year. But hey it was 42 years ago and a lot of college drinking. Like the nerds never did any drinking..
? ? Dave
? ? On 6/27/20, 1:22 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Drew Derbyshire" <[email protected] on behalf of swhobbit@...> wrote:
? ? ? ? On 6/26/20 10:13 PM, Theodore M Rolle Jr wrote:
? ? ? ? > PDP 11/780
? ? ? ? ??? (a typo, obviously).
? ? ? ? --
? ? ? ? Drew Derbyshire
? ? ? ? "What's past is prologue"? -- William Shakespeare
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Oh I dont?doubt that. I was just mentioning it was in CP/M.
Joe
Joe, ? CP/M copied it from various DEC PDP operating systems. It was still in early releases of VMS but has gone from current versions. ?
? Dave ? ? ? On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:33 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote: I remember using PIP. (PeriphericalIntechangeProgram) rather then IEBGENNER to move files around, but it¡¯s the same logic. Different companies had to have their own terms, just to make it harder on us to move platforms.? ? Oh wait - they still do that...? ?LS / DIR etc etc etc
Dave
?On 6/27/20, 1:26 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dave Trainor" <[email protected] on behalf of dave@...> wrote:
? ? Wikipedia to the rescue - yeah I guess a VAX 11/780. And more like Junior-senior year. But hey it was 42 years ago and a lot of college drinking. Like the nerds never did any drinking..
? ? Dave
? ? On 6/27/20, 1:22 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Drew Derbyshire" <[email protected] on behalf of swhobbit@...> wrote:
? ? ? ? On 6/26/20 10:13 PM, Theodore M Rolle Jr wrote:
? ? ? ? > PDP 11/780
? ? ? ? ??? (a typo, obviously).
? ? ? ? --
? ? ? ? Drew Derbyshire
? ? ? ? "What's past is prologue"? -- William Shakespeare
? ? ? ? --
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Joe, ? CP/M copied it from various DEC PDP operating systems. It was still in early releases of VMS but has gone from current versions. ? ? Dave ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joe Monk
Sent: 27 June 2020 12:12
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)? ? On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:33 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote: I remember using PIP. (PeriphericalIntechangeProgram) rather then IEBGENNER to move files around, but it¡¯s the same logic. Different companies had to have their own terms, just to make it harder on us to move platforms.? ? Oh wait - they still do that...? ?LS / DIR etc etc etc
Dave
?On 6/27/20, 1:26 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dave Trainor" <[email protected] on behalf of dave@...> wrote:
? ? Wikipedia to the rescue - yeah I guess a VAX 11/780. And more like Junior-senior year. But hey it was 42 years ago and a lot of college drinking. Like the nerds never did any drinking..
? ? Dave
? ? On 6/27/20, 1:22 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Drew Derbyshire" <[email protected] on behalf of swhobbit@...> wrote:
? ? ? ? On 6/26/20 10:13 PM, Theodore M Rolle Jr wrote:
? ? ? ? > PDP 11/780
? ? ? ? ??? (a typo, obviously).
? ? ? ? --
? ? ? ? Drew Derbyshire
? ? ? ? "What's past is prologue"? -- William Shakespeare
? ? ? ? --
? ? ? ? This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean.
? ? ? ? Click here to report this message as spam.
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VAX 11/780 ... now that brings back some memories.?
When I was at the University of Texas at Arlington working on my engineering degree, we had the first VAX 11/780 in the state of Texas... it was so new it hadnt?been fully integrated into the University curriculum as of yet. My first class where I had to use it was ?Pascal programming.
Joe
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:26 AM Dave Trainor < dave@...> wrote: Wikipedia to the rescue - yeah I guess a VAX 11/780. And more like Junior-senior year. But hey it was 42 years ago and a lot of college drinking. Like the nerds never did any drinking..
Dave
?On 6/27/20, 1:22 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Drew Derbyshire" <[email protected] on behalf of swhobbit@...> wrote:
? ? On 6/26/20 10:13 PM, Theodore M Rolle Jr wrote:
? ? > PDP 11/780
? ? ??? (a typo, obviously).
? ? --
? ? Drew Derbyshire
? ? "What's past is prologue"? -- William Shakespeare
? ? --
? ? This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean.
? ? Click here to report this message as spam.
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:33 AM Dave Trainor < dave@...> wrote: I remember using PIP. (PeriphericalIntechangeProgram) rather then IEBGENNER to move files around, but it¡¯s the same logic. Different companies had to have their own terms, just to make it harder on us to move platforms.? ? Oh wait - they still do that...? ?LS / DIR etc etc etc
Dave
?On 6/27/20, 1:26 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dave Trainor" <[email protected] on behalf of dave@...> wrote:
? ? Wikipedia to the rescue - yeah I guess a VAX 11/780. And more like Junior-senior year. But hey it was 42 years ago and a lot of college drinking. Like the nerds never did any drinking..
? ? Dave
? ? On 6/27/20, 1:22 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Drew Derbyshire" <[email protected] on behalf of swhobbit@...> wrote:
? ? ? ? On 6/26/20 10:13 PM, Theodore M Rolle Jr wrote:
? ? ? ? > PDP 11/780
? ? ? ? ??? (a typo, obviously).
? ? ? ? --
? ? ? ? Drew Derbyshire
? ? ? ? "What's past is prologue"? -- William Shakespeare
? ? ? ? --
? ? ? ? This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean.
? ? ? ? Click here to report this message as spam.
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OP: sorry we hijacked your thread. Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day) I'm glad you included the MD5, and it checks out. I can also handle SHA256 if that's what you prefer. I've got a file manager plugin for opening ISOs that had no problem with turnkey-mvs-2.iso once extracted (outside the file manager) from the tar.gz. Asking it to first extract turnkey-mvs-2.tar.gz (inside the file manager) then browse the ISO was a bridge too far. Another quick download, again on the order of an eye blink. Good ISP there. Thanks for the file, a quick examination shows the following. Date & time stamps are for what is the predominating d/t stamp. CBT's ftp://cbttape.org/pub/cdimages/MVS_Turnkey_Volker_V3.zip is 563.6 MB dated 2001-06-05 12:22 PM; it is a zip file. It contains a small RECYCLER directory not present in your turnkey-mvs-2.tar.gz. Your turnkey-mvs-2.tar.gz is 564.7 MB dated 2001-06-05 3:22 PM; it's a tar.gz with an ISO containing both Joliet and ISO-9660 directories. Your turnkey-mvs-3.tar.gz is 488.3 MB dated 2001-07-31 8:00 PM; it's a tar.gz with an ISO containing both Joliet and ISO-9660 directories. It may be necessary to rummage thru the turnkey-mvs archives in order to determine what releases these are, assuming they even were labeled as distinct releases. There was a fair amount of shooting from the hip, not much minded by mostly seasoned systems programmers trying to make MVS38j go, yet still trying to target for a system usable by newbies. It looks like (free) GIO has a 1GB storage limit, so just two of these TK3 images is probably too much. As a rough approximation, it looks like bsp38j.zip is still out on Volker's site BSP38J - The Archive I also noticed ScottC and Doug Wegscheid uploaded some TK3 stuff to the H390-MVS Files section as well. Thanks guys. TK3UPD.needed.extras.v1r1m3.zip This is a file of useful extras to go with TK3UPD.ZIP. File Doug Wegscheid 499 kB Jun 16 tk3upd.zip Turnkey 3 MVS (Beta 2) v1.0 - released 2009-10-17 (Base Software) Original Link: File ScottC 61 MB Jun 16 I think there's also a fixpack1.zip floating around for TK3SU. There's also a TK3SU1, and who knows what else. I started to track down some posts related to TK3UPD, but they're spread across several years (2009-2011?)and in both H390-MVS and turnkey-mvs Yahoo message archives. No time for that now. BTW, the Yahoo turnkey-mvs message archive has been loaded: /g/turnkey-mvs/files/00-archived-yahoo-turnkey-messages.zip 2002-2019 Jim
On 6/26/20 6:50 PM, Jay Moseley wrote: Jim,
I opened up both V3 iso images (labeled on my system as 2002 and 2003) and it appears that the files on both are dated 2002-07-31. I have two CDs of Volker's Turnkey in a box: one originated from a download from SOURCE.RFC822.ORG (which no longer exists) and is dated 07/23/2003 on the CD; the second originated at CBT sent directly to me and is labeled in the printed cover: #2 Revised June 2001.
I believe I had 3 physical CDs when I created these iso files, but it may be that I created what now appears to be a duplicate of the 2002-07 material from a CBT DVD.
I also don't know why, but I cannot open the 2001 iso image on my Linux system without 'mounting' it. I made a new iso copy from the original CD and it exhibits the same behavior. Anyway, I am putting it up at my site and will leave it for a while if anyone wants to grab this earlier version.
592.2 MB MD5: 4ba824ebb67a43755ef3503496b98278? turnkey-mvs-2.tar.gz
The people who host my site are the best. I went through several of the 'free' hosts back in 2000-2001 and they all were the pits. These guys have had my site since 2001 and I just paid for another 10 year extension. They just recently removed quota allotment - now says unlimited and the report no longer even tells me how much I have up there!
Jay
On 6/26/20 5:47 PM, Jim Morrison wrote:
Awesome, Jay. Thanks! Your website is nice & fast, it took no time
to snarf it.
The version
is
from 2002-07-31 or that may just be when you created the zip. All of
the files seem to have that date stamp.
The CBT version appears to be from the summer of 2001 with the most
recent file probably from 2001-06-05.
I'd be interested in the others, if they're available online. If I
have anything prior to TK3 I can't lay hands on it. One of the issues
of having loads of disk space.
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I remember using PIP. (PeriphericalIntechangeProgram) rather then IEBGENNER to move files around, but it¡¯s the same logic. Different companies had to have their own terms, just to make it harder on us to move platforms. Oh wait - they still do that... LS / DIR etc etc etc Dave ?On 6/27/20, 1:26 AM, " [email protected] on behalf of Dave Trainor" < [email protected] on behalf of dave@...> wrote: Wikipedia to the rescue - yeah I guess a VAX 11/780. And more like Junior-senior year. But hey it was 42 years ago and a lot of college drinking. Like the nerds never did any drinking.. Dave
On 6/27/20, 1:22 AM, " [email protected] on behalf of Drew Derbyshire" < [email protected] on behalf of swhobbit@...> wrote: On 6/26/20 10:13 PM, Theodore M Rolle Jr wrote: > PDP 11/780 ??? (a typo, obviously). -- Drew Derbyshire "What's past is prologue" -- William Shakespeare -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam.
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Wikipedia to the rescue - yeah I guess a VAX 11/780. And more like Junior-senior year. But hey it was 42 years ago and a lot of college drinking. Like the nerds never did any drinking.. Dave ?On 6/27/20, 1:22 AM, " [email protected] on behalf of Drew Derbyshire" < [email protected] on behalf of swhobbit@...> wrote: On 6/26/20 10:13 PM, Theodore M Rolle Jr wrote: > PDP 11/780 ??? (a typo, obviously). -- Drew Derbyshire "What's past is prologue" -- William Shakespeare -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam.
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On 6/26/20 10:13 PM, Theodore M Rolle Jr wrote: PDP 11/780 ??? (a typo, obviously). -- Drew Derbyshire "What's past is prologue" -- William Shakespeare
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
That should be on the list of ¡°fortune cookie sayings¡± if I have ever heard one!...
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Right on dude,
Dave
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The only language common to all programmers is profanity.
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 00:47 Dave Trainor < dave@...> wrote:
Jay got me what I was looking for -? but - if this originated on the PDP-11 that would be the exact one no doubt that I remember from 1975-78, Xavier University had a PDP 11/73 and that got replaced at the end of my freshman year with a PDP 11/780 and those
were my memories of mainframe usage in college.? My first Cobol class was punched cards that I had to submit and get back with the errors and a 52-card pickup at the end. But I was actually using a computer - which was a wonder then to a kid.? RSTS was the
OS I believe.?
Ancient history now,? but decided to play with MVS in retirement. Much the same as best I remember, but I have spent all my years in Unix (and Windows Admin) and it's all a distant and pleasant memory learning Pascal, Cobol and Fortran.? Once sure thing,? the
computer itself back then was in a nice little glass room where I was not allowed......? ?
So being the owner and SysProg is a daunting task and I am finding a steep learning curve but one keeping my mind engaged, I am one that must figure it out - eventually, cussing along the way.
Dave
On 6/26/20, 8:55 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dennis Stone" <[email protected] on behalf of
dstone21@...> wrote:
? ? If all you are looking for is the Fortune Cookie program and/or data
? ? files, CBT file 169 has the old PDP-11 file, and CBT file 547 has
? ? Volker's fortune cookie program and data, I believe.
? ? Dennis
? ? On 6/26/20 7:50 PM, Jay Moseley wrote:
? ? > On 6/26/20 5:47 PM, Jim Morrison wrote:
? ? >> Awesome, Jay.?? Thanks!?? Your website is nice & fast, it took no time
? ? >> to snarf it.
? ? >>
? ? >> The version
? ? >>
? ? >> is from 2002-07-31 or that may just be when you created the zip.?? All
? ? >> of the files seem to have that date stamp.
? ? >>
? ? >> The CBT version appears to be from the summer of 2001 with the most
? ? >> recent file probably from 2001-06-05.
? ? >>
? ? >> I'd be interested in the others, if they're available online. If I
? ? >> have anything prior to TK3 I can't lay hands on it.?? One of the
? ? >> issues of having loads of disk space.
? ? >>
? ? >
? ? > Jim,
? ? >
? ? > I opened up both V3 iso images (labeled on my system as 2002 and 2003)
? ? > and it appears that the files on both are dated 2002-07-31. I have two
? ? > CDs of Volker's Turnkey in a box: one originated from a download from
? ? > (which no longer exists) and is dated 07/23/2003 on
? ? > the CD; the second originated at CBT sent directly to me and is
? ? > labeled in the printed cover: #2 Revised June 2001.
? ? >
? ? > I believe I had 3 physical CDs when I created these iso files, but it
? ? > may be that I created what now appears to be a duplicate of the
? ? > 2002-07 material from a CBT DVD.
? ? >
? ? > I also don't know why, but I cannot open the 2001 iso image on my
? ? > Linux system without 'mounting' it. I made a new iso copy from the
? ? > original CD and it exhibits the same behavior. Anyway, I am putting it
? ? > up at my site and will leave it for a while if anyone wants to grab
? ? > this earlier version.
? ? >
? ? >
? ? > 592.2 MB MD5: 4ba824ebb67a43755ef3503496b98278 turnkey-mvs-2.tar.gz
? ? >
? ? > The people who host my site are the best. I went through several of
? ? > the 'free' hosts back in 2000-2001 and they all were the pits. These
? ? > guys have had my site since 2001 and I just paid for another 10 year
? ? > extension. They just recently removed quota allotment - now says
? ? > unlimited and the report no longer even tells me how much I have up
? ? > there!
? ? >
? ? > Jay
? ? >
? ? >
? ? >
? ? --
? ? Dennis
? ? --
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The only language common to all programmers is profanity.
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 00:47 Dave Trainor < dave@...> wrote:
Jay got me what I was looking for -? but - if this originated on the PDP-11 that would be the exact one no doubt that I remember from 1975-78, Xavier University had a PDP 11/73 and that got replaced at the end of my freshman year with a PDP 11/780 and those were my memories of mainframe usage in college.? My first Cobol class was punched cards that I had to submit and get back with the errors and a 52-card pickup at the end. But I was actually using a computer - which was a wonder then to a kid.? RSTS was the OS I believe.?
Ancient history now,? but decided to play with MVS in retirement. Much the same as best I remember, but I have spent all my years in Unix (and Windows Admin) and it's all a distant and pleasant memory learning Pascal, Cobol and Fortran.? Once sure thing,? the computer itself back then was in a nice little glass room where I was not allowed......? ?
So being the owner and SysProg is a daunting task and I am finding a steep learning curve but one keeping my mind engaged, I am one that must figure it out - eventually, cussing along the way.
Dave
?On 6/26/20, 8:55 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dennis Stone" <[email protected] on behalf of dstone21@...> wrote:
? ? If all you are looking for is the Fortune Cookie program and/or data
? ? files, CBT file 169 has the old PDP-11 file, and CBT file 547 has
? ? Volker's fortune cookie program and data, I believe.
? ? Dennis
? ? On 6/26/20 7:50 PM, Jay Moseley wrote:
? ? > On 6/26/20 5:47 PM, Jim Morrison wrote:
? ? >> Awesome, Jay.?? Thanks!?? Your website is nice & fast, it took no time
? ? >> to snarf it.
? ? >>
? ? >> The version
? ? >>
? ? >> is from 2002-07-31 or that may just be when you created the zip.?? All
? ? >> of the files seem to have that date stamp.
? ? >>
? ? >> The CBT version appears to be from the summer of 2001 with the most
? ? >> recent file probably from 2001-06-05.
? ? >>
? ? >> I'd be interested in the others, if they're available online. If I
? ? >> have anything prior to TK3 I can't lay hands on it.?? One of the
? ? >> issues of having loads of disk space.
? ? >>
? ? >
? ? > Jim,
? ? >
? ? > I opened up both V3 iso images (labeled on my system as 2002 and 2003)
? ? > and it appears that the files on both are dated 2002-07-31. I have two
? ? > CDs of Volker's Turnkey in a box: one originated from a download from
? ? > (which no longer exists) and is dated 07/23/2003 on
? ? > the CD; the second originated at CBT sent directly to me and is
? ? > labeled in the printed cover: #2 Revised June 2001.
? ? >
? ? > I believe I had 3 physical CDs when I created these iso files, but it
? ? > may be that I created what now appears to be a duplicate of the
? ? > 2002-07 material from a CBT DVD.
? ? >
? ? > I also don't know why, but I cannot open the 2001 iso image on my
? ? > Linux system without 'mounting' it. I made a new iso copy from the
? ? > original CD and it exhibits the same behavior. Anyway, I am putting it
? ? > up at my site and will leave it for a while if anyone wants to grab
? ? > this earlier version.
? ? >
? ? >
? ? > 592.2 MB MD5: 4ba824ebb67a43755ef3503496b98278 turnkey-mvs-2.tar.gz
? ? >
? ? > The people who host my site are the best. I went through several of
? ? > the 'free' hosts back in 2000-2001 and they all were the pits. These
? ? > guys have had my site since 2001 and I just paid for another 10 year
? ? > extension. They just recently removed quota allotment - now says
? ? > unlimited and the report no longer even tells me how much I have up
? ? > there!
? ? >
? ? > Jay
? ? >
? ? >
? ? >
? ? --
? ? Dennis
? ? --
? ? This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean.
? ? Click here to report this message as spam.
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Jay got me what I was looking for - but - if this originated on the PDP-11 that would be the exact one no doubt that I remember from 1975-78, Xavier University had a PDP 11/73 and that got replaced at the end of my freshman year with a PDP 11/780 and those were my memories of mainframe usage in college. My first Cobol class was punched cards that I had to submit and get back with the errors and a 52-card pickup at the end. But I was actually using a computer - which was a wonder then to a kid. RSTS was the OS I believe. Ancient history now, but decided to play with MVS in retirement. Much the same as best I remember, but I have spent all my years in Unix (and Windows Admin) and it's all a distant and pleasant memory learning Pascal, Cobol and Fortran. Once sure thing, the computer itself back then was in a nice little glass room where I was not allowed...... So being the owner and SysProg is a daunting task and I am finding a steep learning curve but one keeping my mind engaged, I am one that must figure it out - eventually, cussing along the way. Dave ?On 6/26/20, 8:55 PM, " [email protected] on behalf of Dennis Stone" < [email protected] on behalf of dstone21@...> wrote: If all you are looking for is the Fortune Cookie program and/or data files, CBT file 169 has the old PDP-11 file, and CBT file 547 has Volker's fortune cookie program and data, I believe. Dennis On 6/26/20 7:50 PM, Jay Moseley wrote: > On 6/26/20 5:47 PM, Jim Morrison wrote: >> Awesome, Jay.?? Thanks!?? Your website is nice & fast, it took no time >> to snarf it. >> >> The version >> >> is from 2002-07-31 or that may just be when you created the zip.?? All >> of the files seem to have that date stamp. >> >> The CBT version appears to be from the summer of 2001 with the most >> recent file probably from 2001-06-05. >> >> I'd be interested in the others, if they're available online. If I >> have anything prior to TK3 I can't lay hands on it.?? One of the >> issues of having loads of disk space. >> > > Jim, > > I opened up both V3 iso images (labeled on my system as 2002 and 2003) > and it appears that the files on both are dated 2002-07-31. I have two > CDs of Volker's Turnkey in a box: one originated from a download from > SOURCE.RFC822.ORG (which no longer exists) and is dated 07/23/2003 on > the CD; the second originated at CBT sent directly to me and is > labeled in the printed cover: #2 Revised June 2001. > > I believe I had 3 physical CDs when I created these iso files, but it > may be that I created what now appears to be a duplicate of the > 2002-07 material from a CBT DVD. > > I also don't know why, but I cannot open the 2001 iso image on my > Linux system without 'mounting' it. I made a new iso copy from the > original CD and it exhibits the same behavior. Anyway, I am putting it > up at my site and will leave it for a while if anyone wants to grab > this earlier version. > > > 592.2 MB MD5: 4ba824ebb67a43755ef3503496b98278 turnkey-mvs-2.tar.gz > > The people who host my site are the best. I went through several of > the 'free' hosts back in 2000-2001 and they all were the pits. These > guys have had my site since 2001 and I just paid for another 10 year > extension. They just recently removed quota allotment - now says > unlimited and the report no longer even tells me how much I have up > there! > > Jay > > > -- Dennis -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam.
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
If all you are looking for is the Fortune Cookie program and/or data files, CBT file 169 has the old PDP-11 file, and CBT file 547 has Volker's fortune cookie program and data, I believe.
Dennis
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On 6/26/20 7:50 PM, Jay Moseley wrote: On 6/26/20 5:47 PM, Jim Morrison wrote:
Awesome, Jay.?? Thanks!?? Your website is nice & fast, it took no time to snarf it.
The version is from 2002-07-31 or that may just be when you created the zip.?? All of the files seem to have that date stamp.
The CBT version appears to be from the summer of 2001 with the most recent file probably from 2001-06-05.
I'd be interested in the others, if they're available online. If I have anything prior to TK3 I can't lay hands on it.?? One of the issues of having loads of disk space.
Jim,
I opened up both V3 iso images (labeled on my system as 2002 and 2003) and it appears that the files on both are dated 2002-07-31. I have two CDs of Volker's Turnkey in a box: one originated from a download from SOURCE.RFC822.ORG (which no longer exists) and is dated 07/23/2003 on the CD; the second originated at CBT sent directly to me and is labeled in the printed cover: #2 Revised June 2001.
I believe I had 3 physical CDs when I created these iso files, but it may be that I created what now appears to be a duplicate of the 2002-07 material from a CBT DVD.
I also don't know why, but I cannot open the 2001 iso image on my Linux system without 'mounting' it. I made a new iso copy from the original CD and it exhibits the same behavior. Anyway, I am putting it up at my site and will leave it for a while if anyone wants to grab this earlier version.
592.2 MB MD5: 4ba824ebb67a43755ef3503496b98278 turnkey-mvs-2.tar.gz
The people who host my site are the best. I went through several of the 'free' hosts back in 2000-2001 and they all were the pits. These guys have had my site since 2001 and I just paid for another 10 year extension. They just recently removed quota allotment - now says unlimited and the report no longer even tells me how much I have up there!
Jay
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On 6/26/20 5:47 PM, Jim Morrison wrote: Awesome, Jay.? Thanks!? Your website is nice & fast, it took no time to snarf it.
The version is from 2002-07-31 or that may just be when you created the zip.? All of the files seem to have that date stamp.
The CBT version appears to be from the summer of 2001 with the most recent file probably from 2001-06-05.
I'd be interested in the others, if they're available online.? If I have anything prior to TK3 I can't lay hands on it.? One of the issues of having loads of disk space.
Jim, I opened up both V3 iso images (labeled on my system as 2002 and 2003) and it appears that the files on both are dated 2002-07-31. I have two CDs of Volker's Turnkey in a box: one originated from a download from SOURCE.RFC822.ORG (which no longer exists) and is dated 07/23/2003 on the CD; the second originated at CBT sent directly to me and is labeled in the printed cover: #2 Revised June 2001. I believe I had 3 physical CDs when I created these iso files, but it may be that I created what now appears to be a duplicate of the 2002-07 material from a CBT DVD. I also don't know why, but I cannot open the 2001 iso image on my Linux system without 'mounting' it. I made a new iso copy from the original CD and it exhibits the same behavior. Anyway, I am putting it up at my site and will leave it for a while if anyone wants to grab this earlier version. 592.2 MB MD5: 4ba824ebb67a43755ef3503496b98278 turnkey-mvs-2.tar.gz The people who host my site are the best. I went through several of the 'free' hosts back in 2000-2001 and they all were the pits. These guys have had my site since 2001 and I just paid for another 10 year extension. They just recently removed quota allotment - now says unlimited and the report no longer even tells me how much I have up there! Jay
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
Awesome, Jay. Thanks! Your website is nice & fast, it took no time to snarf it.
The version is from 2002-07-31 or that may just be when you created the zip. All of the files seem to have that date stamp.
The CBT version appears to be from the summer of 2001 with the most recent file probably from 2001-06-05.
I'd be interested in the others, if they're available online. If I have anything prior to TK3 I can't lay hands on it. One of the issues of having loads of disk space.
Jim
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On 6/26/20 4:48 PM, Jay Moseley wrote: On 6/26/20 4:37 PM, Jim Morrison wrote:
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?> Indeed it's one of minor things I don't like about TK4-, that it doesn't teach.
I remembered there was quite a lot of supplemental material on the early TK3 distributions, especially in early days.? So I began trying to capture whatever I could lay my hands on from TK3 and it's follow-ons before the material vanishes.
There is a very early TK3 over at CBT that may have a lot of what Jay mentions below.? It's 563 MB:
ftp://cbttape.org/pub/cdimages/MVS_Turnkey_Volker_V3.zip
Jim,
I have hosted a version of Volker's Turnkey #3, the version from 2003 on my site for a long time:
I also have a 2002 edition of #3 and a 2001 edition of #2 that I keep around.
Jay
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On 6/26/20 4:37 PM, Jim Morrison wrote: Drew mentioned
> Indeed it's one of minor things I don't like about TK4-, that it
doesn't teach.
I remembered there was quite a lot of supplemental material on the early TK3 distributions, especially in early days.? So I began trying to capture whatever I could lay my hands on from TK3 and it's follow-ons before the material vanishes.
There is a very early TK3 over at CBT that may have a lot of what Jay mentions below.? It's 563 MB:
ftp://cbttape.org/pub/cdimages/MVS_Turnkey_Volker_V3.zip
Jim, I have hosted a version of Volker's Turnkey #3, the version from 2003 on my site for a long time: I also have a 2002 edition of #3 and a 2001 edition of #2 that I keep around. Jay
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
Drew mentioned Indeed it's one of minor things I don't like about TK4-, that it doesn't teach. I remembered there was quite a lot of supplemental material on the early TK3 distributions, especially in early days. So I began trying to capture whatever I could lay my hands on from TK3 and it's follow-ons before the material vanishes. There is a very early TK3 over at CBT that may have a lot of what Jay mentions below. It's 563 MB: ftp://cbttape.org/pub/cdimages/MVS_Turnkey_Volker_V3.zip I've sent an email off to Phil (halfmeg) to see what he has from TKSU1, ..., TK3UPD. My collection is a bit less complete for those. In the mean time I've uploaded mostly URLs to the turnkey-mvs forum files section TK3-archive. I've also posted a few URLs (GIO doesn't seem to have a Links offering) for some of the TK3 era participants; I apologize to anyone I've missed and if they will let me know I will add them or they can add themselves. I started with the majors: Volker Bandke, Jay Moseley, & Greg Price. For some strange reason Kevin Leonard doesn't have his updates to the DASDMODs online, or at least that I could find. Huh, I guess I'll add my CBT page as well. Forgot. D'oh. I've grabbed the bsp38j.zip, and will have a look at it. It may have some stuff I've previously missed. Thanks for uploading it. Jim On 6/26/20 3:48 PM, Jay Moseley wrote: Dave,
I uploaded an archive that Volker sent me in 2003 that contains a lot of material that went into Turnkey 3. There is an AWS tape image with a reload jobstream to lay it down. You will find a MACLIB in there that you will also need, along with the job to assemble the fortune cookie program and the fortunes.
The archive is bsp38j.zip in the files area.
Jay
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