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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
On 6/26/20 4:37 PM, Jim Morrison wrote:
Drew mentionedJim, I have hosted a version of Volker's Turnkey #3, the version from 2003 on my site for a long time: I also have a 2002 edition of #3 and a 2001 edition of #2 that I keep around. Jay |
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
Drew mentioned
Indeed it's one of minor things I don't like about TK4-, that itdoesn't teach. I remembered there was quite a lot of supplemental material on the early TK3 distributions, especially in early days. So I began trying to capture whatever I could lay my hands on from TK3 and it's follow-ons before the material vanishes. There is a very early TK3 over at CBT that may have a lot of what Jay mentions below. It's 563 MB: ftp://cbttape.org/pub/cdimages/MVS_Turnkey_Volker_V3.zip I've sent an email off to Phil (halfmeg) to see what he has from TKSU1, ..., TK3UPD. My collection is a bit less complete for those. In the mean time I've uploaded mostly URLs to the turnkey-mvs forum files section TK3-archive. I've also posted a few URLs (GIO doesn't seem to have a Links offering) for some of the TK3 era participants; I apologize to anyone I've missed and if they will let me know I will add them or they can add themselves. I started with the majors: Volker Bandke, Jay Moseley, & Greg Price. For some strange reason Kevin Leonard doesn't have his updates to the DASDMODs online, or at least that I could find. Huh, I guess I'll add my CBT page as well. Forgot. D'oh. I've grabbed the bsp38j.zip, and will have a look at it. It may have some stuff I've previously missed. Thanks for uploading it. Jim On 6/26/20 3:48 PM, Jay Moseley wrote: Dave, |
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
Got the file no problem, thank you Jay. I will work on this after dinner.
?On 6/26/20, 4:49 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Jay Moseley" <[email protected] on behalf of JayMoseley@...> wrote: Dave, I uploaded an archive that Volker sent me in 2003 that contains a lot of material that went into Turnkey 3. There is an AWS tape image with a reload jobstream to lay it down. You will find a MACLIB in there that you will also need, along with the job to assemble the fortune cookie program and the fortunes. The archive is bsp38j.zip in the files area. Jay -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. |
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
Dave,
I uploaded an archive that Volker sent me in 2003 that contains a lot of material that went into Turnkey 3. There is an AWS tape image with a reload jobstream to lay it down. You will find a MACLIB in there that you will also need, along with the job to assemble the fortune cookie program and the fortunes. The archive is bsp38j.zip in the files area. Jay |
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
Hey that would be perfect. Thank you for the offer.
Dave ?On 6/26/20, 4:41 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Jay Moseley" <[email protected] on behalf of JayMoseley@...> wrote: On 6/26/20 3:34 PM, Dave Trainor wrote: > So now at the risk of sounding like I am whining¡¡. > > I have the JCL to install FCOOK$ > > //SYSUT1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.SETUP.CNTL(FCOOK$) > Dave, I can send you whatever pieces you need. Do you need the assembler source and jcl both? Jay -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. |
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
On 6/26/20 3:34 PM, Dave Trainor wrote:
So now at the risk of sounding like I am whining¡¡.Dave, I can send you whatever pieces you need. Do you need the assembler source and jcl both? Jay |
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýSo now at the risk of sounding like I am whining¡¡.???? I have the JCL to install FCOOK$ ??????????????? //SYSUT1?? DD? DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.SETUP.CNTL(FCOOK$) From Volkers mvs0090 ? Can¡¯t figure out how to download SYS1.SETUP.CNTL(FCOOK$)? other than to grab a copy of his whole TK3 CD, which I did,? guess I need to actually install it to be able to access the DASD files as there is no indication where this is and assuming this is a setup JCL file what other files are necessary.? So that I can extract them to apply to my MVS 3.8j. ? Dave ? From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Doug Wegscheid <dwegscheid@...> ate: Friday, June 26, 2020 at 3:38 PM ? http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/turnkey/cookbook/bspfcook.html ?
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýDave, Our old Honeywell System had a FORTRAN (or could have been ¡°B¡± but I think it was pre B) program that did this. I wonder where I put the message file. I used to have a copy somewhere¡ ¡ it had some gems¡ any UK readers may (or may not) agree with¡.? .. e.g. ? ¡°A pleasant view of Swindon , as seen through your rearview mirror¡± ? Or that great line from Betjeman, ? ¡°come friendly bomb and fall on Slough¡± ? Dave ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Trainor
Sent: 26 June 2020 20:32 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day) ? Yes I agree, as rexx would not have been around circa 1978 at the university.??? The ¡°fortune cookie¡± thing that Volker has is more or less exactly what I am asking about.? I built my system from scratch (if you can it that) following Jay Mosley¡¯s excellent instructions and learned quite a bit in doing so rather than booting a pre made system.? But am a novice without a doubt. So a CLIST sounds like the ticket, is the ¡°fortune cookie¡± code available? Or something similar?? Most of the time in the Unix world I lived in so many years, I found scripts that sorta did what I wanted and then modified them rather that start with a clean sheet of coding paper.? Teaches a lot about others logic doing that too. ? Thanks, Dave ? From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Monk <joemonk64@...> ? This wouldve?been a CLIST executed as part of your logon PROC. ? Joe ? On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:00 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:
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Re: creating CICS help
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-----Original Message-----still contain an In-Reply-To header with the message ID of the message beingpart of the thread being replied to.Thats what I thought too but no, if you create a completely new subject groups.io assumes you are a lazy bugger, can't be bothered to start a new message and breaks the thread totally It seems to do a pretty good job and as far as I can tell from looking at the headers it removes any "in-reply to" and creates a clean new thread. Try tracing the conversations in Thunderbird using threaded. In my Thunderbird in a threaded view it separates them when I changed to "creating CICS help". It used to be in-consistent between creating web messages and submitting by e-mail. Web messages preserved some thread info, but it was recently made consistent. Dave |
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThank you Doug, this is exactly what I was searching for. ? From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Doug Wegscheid <dwegscheid@...> ? http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/turnkey/cookbook/bspfcook.html ?
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
Other than an excellent tutorial on CLIST, like most all of his web pages, I don't see anything about a MOTD script on that page.
I agree implementing this as a logon CLIST sounds like the way to do it. 1) A file of 100+ "sayings" enough to avoid duplication too quickly 2) a random number generator to pick a line in above fie 3) a write statement to display that particular line Does not really sound like rocket science. Mostly the creativity and "artistic ability" to create the list of sayings. Someone has had to do this before. While its probably not suitable for "Business" which is I am sure where MVS mostly lives(d), Universities are another story, and now we are all just hobbyists, so I find it an acceptable of a few CPU ticks. Thanks, Dave ?On 6/26/20, 7:59 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Mike Schwab" <[email protected] on behalf of Mike.A.Schwab@...> wrote: Instructions at the end. On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 5:00 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote: > > Is anyone aware of a utility for a MOTD (Message of the day) utility for MVS? I seem to remember back 40yr ago we always got a humorous message as I am guessing a broadcast message when we logged on, sometimes it was informative like ¡®the system will be unavailable from 18:00 to 20:00¡¯ or other times it just was funny. > > Was this just the operators manually creating a MOTD (obviously the maint schedule would be), or is there a utility to generate a automatic message? I could not find anything in searching CBT or Google, other than ones for old Unix versions or Windows. > > > > Thanks, > Dave > > -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. |
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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)
http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/turnkey/cookbook/bspfcook.html
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýYes I agree, as rexx would not have been around circa 1978 at the university.??? The ¡°fortune cookie¡± thing that Volker has is more or less exactly what I am asking about.? I built my system from scratch (if you can it that) following Jay Mosley¡¯s excellent instructions and learned quite a bit in doing so rather than booting a pre made system.? But am a novice without a doubt. So a CLIST sounds like the ticket, is the ¡°fortune cookie¡± code available? Or something similar?? Most of the time in the Unix world I lived in so many years, I found scripts that sorta did what I wanted and then modified them rather that start with a clean sheet of coding paper.? Teaches a lot about others logic doing that too. ? Thanks, Dave ? From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Monk <joemonk64@...> ? This wouldve?been a CLIST executed as part of your logon PROC. ? Joe ? On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:00 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:
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Re: creating CICS help
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 07:06:06PM +0100, Dave Wade wrote:
Ooops well it does if you totally change the subject. So this appears to beNo, even if the subject is completely changed a reply to a message will still contain an In-Reply-To header with the message ID of the message being replied to. Most modern mail readers will still thread that message as part of the thread being replied to. -- Kevin Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum. |
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Re: creating CICS help
Ooops well it does if you totally change the subject. So this appears to be
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Re: creating CICS help
Kevin,
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Sorry, but generally in "groups.io" when you change the subject the thread identifier is changed. Dave -----Original Message-----is not a reply to a previous message starts a new thread. |
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Re: creating CICS help (was Re: [H390-MVS] SYSCPK issues)
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 09:59:31AM -0700, Drew Derbyshire wrote:
Please start a new thread (and change the subject!) when starting a newAlso keep in mind that replying to an existing message and changing the subject does not start a new thread. Sending a message to the list that is not a reply to a previous message starts a new thread. -- Kevin Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum. |
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creating CICS help (was Re: [H390-MVS] SYSCPK issues)
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOn 6/26/20 9:35 AM,
dylson_valente@... via groups.io wrote:
Please start a new thread (and change the subject!) when starting a new thread. Also, paste your configuration
statements (which can edited or commented on one by one), not of a
picture of your statements.
-ahd-
-- Drew Derbyshire "Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine" -- "Casablanca" |
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Re: RES: [H390-MVS] Third party performance monitor
On 2020-06-26 10:06 PM, Richard Kitz via groups.io wrote:
CA-LOOKYes, so back in the day when they shut the system every night (and put covers over all the boxen in case the sprinklers went off) I had my SMP4 APPLY running with DIS(WRITE), and left the instruction "if you have to cancel it, only cancel it once". SMP had an ESTAE with TERM=YES so that if ABTERM came along it would rewrite the numerous cylinders of directory blocks to the CDS. They took the request literally, and when the APPLY did not terminate within the operators' wanting-to-go-home patience limit, they issued an E CAN which is a LOOK command, thereby not issuing an OS CANCEL more than once. Of course, the effect was the same as if they'd issued an additional CANCEL, and the SMP CDS was totally cactus.? Luckily there was a backup from which to retry that particular software maintenance effort. Gotta laugh. Mind you, some of those LOOK console commands were lifesavers on numerous occasions, checking out jobs' allocations, address space status, etc.? Quite a powerful product in its time. Cheers, Greg |