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Re: Probably a stupid question - concerning Master Catalog Passwords


 

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Just to update the group on this issue I experienced, and in the interest of increasing knowledge and so if anyone else has this issue.

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The 056-012 is a RACF failure error message, thi sonly occurs because I have a MVS 3.8j system built without RACF (which postdates MVS3.8j) or more importantly RAKF which is a part of the TK series releases.?? The problem occurs because I was using the excellet application RPF and the utility 3.2 menu to preform an alloc, with a master catalog password set, as per the standard build process defined by Jay Moseley.?

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RPF does a RACF check as part of its alloc, and thus fails to correctly pass the entered password to TSO, responds with a RACF failure error 056-012.?? If there is no master catalog password set, then RPF does not preform a check and its able to alloc as expected. So this condition only occurs given the specific set of circumstances.? ??Attempts by others, confirm this, and recompiling RPF from source with the RACF/RAKF check deselected do not correct the issue.?? Possibly Rob with look at this, however his software is an asset to have, and if you are aware of this and do not have a Mast Cat Password set, then its not a problem, or if you have RAKF installed and setup, its not a problem.? At the current time, you can choose to either, 1) Setup RAKF, 2) Nullify the Mast Cat password and choose not to have one, or 3) not use RPF for an alloc and only use batch jobs to preform allocations – I consider option 3 a poor choice.

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My purpose here is just that since I received no hits on google searching for the 056-012 error code in versions of MVS prior to MVS-XA, that ?I may save someone from head scratching and they will know the source, and how to bypass the condition.

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Many thanks on my part to those who helped me in determining the cause.? It required some hours and effort to track it all down and its much appreciated.

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Thanks,

Dave Trainor, NBZFM

Louisville, KY??

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From: Dave Trainor <dave@...>
Date: Monday, January 13, 2025 at 3:37 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Probably a stupid question - concerning Master Catalog Passwords

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Correct, and my userid has those permissions OPER and ACCT both defined.? MVS 3,8j, plain vanilla, does not appear to have a lot of security besides that.

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Thanks,

Dave – N8ZFM

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From: <[email protected]> on behalf of "botongrui, aka τσ尘. via groups.io" <botongrui@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, January 13, 2025 at 3:26 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Probably a stupid question - concerning Master Catalog Passwords
Resent-From: <botongrui@...>
Resent-Date: Monday, January 13, 2025 at 3:26 PM

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I have a vague memory that you needed to be a Sysprog / Operator defined tso user for some system functions rather than a plain tso user.

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It's a vague memory, but may be pertinent.

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Regards,

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On Monday, 13 January 2025 at 20:18, Dave Trainor - N8ZFM <dave@...> wrote:

Yes, and it gets the correct characters.

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Thanks,

Dave – N8ZFM

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From: <[email protected]> on behalf of "Rene BRANDT via groups.io" <rbr146@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, January 13, 2025 at 4:04 AM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Probably a stupid question - concerning Master Catalog Passwords
Resent-From: <rbr146@...>
Resent-Date: Monday, January 13, 2025 at 4:04 AM

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Hi Dave,

If you use X3270 you can activate the trace and in the trace you can analyze what TSO receives when you enter the password.

HTH
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Le dimanche 12 janvier 2025 à 23:48:19 UTC+1, Dave Trainor - N8ZFM <dave@...> a écrit :

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You know I found in the message archive this -/g/H390-MVS/topic/hosed_password_for/74966269

From 2020 -? My problem is almost the same as what Doug was experiencing then, and it does not seem to have been answered, the root is the inability to enter the MCAT password from TSO.

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Thank you Marco for prompting me to google search IEC331I 056-012.

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Thanks,
Dave

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From:<[email protected]> on behalf of Dave Trainor - N8ZFM <dave@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Sunday, January 12, 2025 at 5:36 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Probably a stupid question - concerning Master Catalog Passwords
Resent-From: <dave@...>
Resent-Date: Sunday, January 12, 2025 at 5:36 PM

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The message logged on the console at the failure (in TSO) is:

??????????????? IEC331I ???056-012,DAVE????? ,IKJACCNT,RCU ,IGG0CLB6

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Which I agree means a “a security verification failed”.??? So my user account has authority.?? The obvious is that I can’t type SYSPROG correctly, but that is not the case.???

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Thanks,

Dave – N8ZFM

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From:<[email protected]> on behalf of "M Verpelli via groups.io" <marco.verpelli@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Sunday, January 12, 2025 at 3:22 AM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Probably a stupid question - concerning Master Catalog Passwords

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No magic secret here, or anywhere else in the universe as far as I know.
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t would be useful to know what message appears, not by magic, on the console. For example in case of wrong password

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IEC331I 056-002,HMVS01 ,IKJACCNT,RCU ,IGG0CLBM

return code 056 = a security verification failed
reason code 002 = the user did not have the required authority

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In case of other messages, it is necessary to verify which one it is and take the necessary measures reported in the sacred texts a.k.a. IBM manuals

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Marco

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