On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 04:15 am, Duane wrote:

I think I've finally figured out where the one BOLD word is coming from.?
When you search for a word in the directory, that word will be in bold on the
results page.?

Duane, you ARE a wizard. It sounds very much like Columbus' egg, but you did find the answer.

Now we just need to find out why your description is being
truncated at about 170 characters...

If you sort out that one, I'll build you a monument.

Many thanks,
Marina

Just realised the "Re: Require info from prospective members" topic covered what i was asking. So I'm sure not the only one asking for this feature, hope someone takes note

Have to say surprised such a basic handy option is not included anyway, Apart from that no issues at all

Hi All,
I thought this had been discussed before but can't find it here or in Beta.?
Does anyone know if it has been suggested for mods being given editing power for member's signatures?? If so what was the verdict??
Our group members all have folders and photo albums whose links need to be in their signatures so our support team can find their info easily.? I cannot tell you how hard it is to explain to some of the computer challenged members how to set up their signatures.? When we give them the links to copy and paste, half the time they are not linkified.? Sometimes the hidden formatting causes crazy signature texts.??


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On Feb 14, 2018, at 7:50 AM, toki <toki.kantoor@...> wrote:

Five years down the line, the presence or absence of the list archives
makes no difference to the list subscribers.

For many lists, I think this is probably true, but for organizations, they can be very useful. History is known for that.

I live in a cohousing community, 17 years old. Cohousing is like a friendly condo — it has facilities, a social life, and decision-making history. 2-3 times a year I go to the archives to settle arguments or dispute “statements of fact.” They are very helpful because I can see not only what happened but the whole context. Having digital archives is fabulous — they don’t take up a whole room of paper than is not indexed.

One thing I like about Groups.io is that the archives are much faster to search. On Yahoo, I have to wait so long for pages to load that it was grindingly boring. Old movies didn’t even help. I had to watch something compelling to fill the time.

Dec 1998
...someone told us there's a Dame Judi rose...introduced at the London show last year..I'm going to try Jackson & Perkins to see if I can get it. I'll post the results for any of you who may be gardeners as I am.

May 2000
...little is known about Ltd. Rearsby Roses in the U.S…..appears to be an amateur hybridizer based in Leister (and Dench's private gardener… occasionally offers in-house roses for sale in Britain. "Dame Judi Dench" is another such occasional offering. [a long message with lots of info on the international rose business]

...Dench is the name under which this dark red floribunda is sold. Its international code name (which is permanently attached to this particular plant, even in the event of a name change) is: PEAthunder This rose is unregistered in the United States. It was hybridized in England by Pearce, a small independent floribunda specialist. Judi Dench was released 1997 in England by Rearsby Roses Limited. This rose is currently and exclusively available through this nursery. It is owned by Robert W. Boswijk. They offer new roses by small independent hybridizers Cowlinshaw and Pearce. Rearsby Roses Ltd. does not export to the United States. Contact information for Rearsby Roses Ltd. Rearsby Roses Ltd., Melton Road, Rearsby, Leicester LE7 4YP, England Telephone: 0116 26020 1211…

Another “secret” ist had a series of messages from a monk in Arizona who did all the paper work to import the rose and grow it in isolation in Arizona. He took donations and promised cuttings when the plants were released from isolation. It was 2-3 years later that we got the cuttings and he used the rose to fundraise for his youth program. That part of the history is lost because the list was deleted by the owner with no notice to anyone.

To great fanfare in May of 2017, an apricot shrub rose was introduced in England by a famous rose hybridizer with no mention of the earlier red floribunda developed by Judi's gardener.

While attending the preview of the Royal Horticulture Society’s Chelsea Flower Show this week, Dench went to see the special rose hybrid called the Rosa Dame Judi Dench. Grown in an Albrighton-based nursery, it took Shropshire grower David Austin eight years to perfect the apricot-colored rose.

Not everyone cares about this but this is history preserved in YahooGroups. And it will likely disappear.

Sharon
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"As long as you have two or fewer, your ducks are always in a row." The Covert Comic

One of my two red Bs answered, she didn’t change email, she’s now blue. What does she do? She said she’d changed passwords “that’s all”.?

Now what, wait ?

We have many old posts, for example, meeting notices that would be nice to purge. Is it possible to do this after the transfer by "subject" or other bulk deletion? Or, should we delete before transfer? As you know, deleting B4 is a tedious and lengthy process.
Thanks for any answer. Dennis

On Feb 14, 2018, at 7:53 AM, Richard Carlson <rich@...> wrote:

As you can see from the myriad of responses there are many reasons why such a feature is useful. My lists are for some pretty narrow special interests and it is a great tool to make sure the prospective member is actually interested in the topic and will comply with the rules set forth (stay on topic, not inflame discussions etc)

What happens if you use the setting under Spam Control for:

Restricted Membership
Members require approval before being allowed to join the group.

On Yahoo this brings up a box for the user to submit reasons.

Sharon
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takomatime.timebanks.org

Hello

My group has just been moved from Yahoo where when new members joined the group they needed to give a reason why they wanted to join

As a moderator I need to see this reason in order to approve them to the group

However I don't see this option here in the setup. Does it exist in settings somewhere?

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Let’s post about this on beta to show Mark how pressing this need is.?

Hopefully this feature gets implemented soon!

On 02/14/2018 10:13 AM, Marina wrote:

if I should have known better

What to migrate, and how to migrate it, are issues that list-owners have
discussed since at least 1980. Back then, "best practice" was to send
two or three emails that contained the new address for the list, and how
to subscribe to it, and then unsubscribing everybody from the old
mailing list. If you lost 70% of the subscriber base doing so, well so
be it.

relocate just members without their own content (messages).

How useful will third parties find the list content?

For a software support list, it probably contains some useful material.
For a social chat list, it probably can be forgotten, with minimal loss.

do you think I could be still sued for copyright violation?

What country do you live in?

In the United States, you can be sued for any reason, or no reason at
all. The issue is whether or not the other party has a case that a
lawyer will take on contingency.
In the United Kingdom, solicitors ask about your ability to pay the
barristers retained by the other side.
This difference in who pays, means that petty squabbles in the United
States are far more likely to go to court, than in the United Kingdom.

Europe has "Right to be forgotten" legislation, which mandates all
knowledge of the individual be wiped from the record. This isn't
copyright at play ---- individuals have had stories in which they are
merely incidental by-passers purged from newspaper morgues.

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I've migrated lists, and included their archives.
I've migrated lists, and excluded their archives.
Five years down the line, the presence or absence of the list archives
makes no difference to the list subscribers.

For historians in the field that the list covers, list archives are
incredibly useful pieces of data.
Even a list as mundane as "The 541 Front Road Home Owners Association
Off-Topic Chat List" can be useful for historians of that neighbourhood.
However, few organisations have the resources to preserve digital artefacts.

Were I to migrate a list today, I would:
* Migrate the list subscribers;
* Back up list archives, and transfer them to an appropriate historical
society, library, or museum;
thereby making the new site look, and feel brand-new.

jonathon

Someone that has actually done it would need to verify, but it should put them all on Special Notices Only.

Duane

I think I've finally figured out where the one BOLD word is coming from.? When you search for a word in the directory, that word will be in bold on the results page.? Now we just need to find out why your description is being truncated at about 170 characters...

Duane

Let's assume that a Yahoo Group is being prepared to be transferred.

Let's assume that the Yahoo Group has been in existence for over 15 years.

Let's assume that the Yahoo Group to be transferred there are a large number of members with "No Email' Delivery.

Let's assume that at the new group at groups.io? that "No Email" delivery is no longer an option.

What happens to the membership delivery status during the transfer??

Al

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 04:26 pm, Sharon Villines wrote:

On Feb 13, 2018, at 6:38 PM, toki <toki.kantoor@...> wrote:

I don’t know what the message is that is sent to transferred members is very
clear about what is happening and apparently has a link for people to opt out
of the transfer. We lost 2-300 people in the transfer

First question: how did you know that 2-300 people opted-out of the transfer? Did you receive a notice?

Second question.
I have chosen to move my group message archive, too.
So I suppose that at some point all YG group messages will show on my new Groups.io group.

My question is: if a member opts-out of the transfer for privacy/copyright/whatever reason, is there a way to delete from Groups.io his/her old YG messages?

Keeping his/her messages in the new group, where they can be viewed by other members, is considered a copyright violation, from what I can understand.

Marina

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 03:52 pm, toki wrote:

Under the EU Data Privacy Rules, it is theoretically possible for one to
be in violation of the rules.

The bigger legal risk is a copyright violation.
A user claiming that their original content was not licensed for display
on Groups.IO.

After reading all this, I am full of doubts and I wonder if I should have known better and relocate just members without their own content (messages).

I am going through the relocating process now, well before May, do you think I could be still sued for copyright violation?

Marina

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 11:38 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

Groups.io does not yet have a web-based fill-in box, but I don't know
how useful Yahoo Group's feature of that type is, when there's no custom
question asked.

At some point in my YG group, to keep the focus on the group subject, we started to restrict memberships. In our website and on the group page we stated clearly that only subscription requests with a short introduction were accepted.
Members wishing to join the group used the Yahoo box to introduce themselves and explain in a few words why they were interested in the group.
Pending members with no description were contacted by the moderator in charge and kindly asked to come out of the dark.
It worked well.

Marina