On Feb 14, 2018, at 7:50 AM, toki <toki.kantoor@...> wrote:
Five years down the line, the presence or absence of the list archives
makes no difference to the list subscribers.
For many lists, I think this is probably true, but for organizations, they can be very useful. History is known for that.
I live in a cohousing community, 17 years old. Cohousing is like a friendly condo ¡ª it has facilities, a social life, and decision-making history. 2-3 times a year I go to the archives to settle arguments or dispute ¡°statements of fact.¡± They are very helpful because I can see not only what happened but the whole context. Having digital archives is fabulous ¡ª they don¡¯t take up a whole room of paper than is not indexed.
One thing I like about Groups.io is that the archives are much faster to search. On Yahoo, I have to wait so long for pages to load that it was grindingly boring. Old movies didn¡¯t even help. I had to watch something compelling to fill the time.
Dec 1998
...someone told us there's a Dame Judi rose...introduced at the London show last year..I'm going to try Jackson & Perkins to see if I can get it. I'll post the results for any of you who may be gardeners as I am.
May 2000
...little is known about Ltd. Rearsby Roses in the U.S¡..appears to be an amateur hybridizer based in Leister (and Dench's private gardener¡ occasionally offers in-house roses for sale in Britain. "Dame Judi Dench" is another such occasional offering. [a long message with lots of info on the international rose business]
...Dench is the name under which this dark red floribunda is sold. Its international code name (which is permanently attached to this particular plant, even in the event of a name change) is: PEAthunder This rose is unregistered in the United States. It was hybridized in England by Pearce, a small independent floribunda specialist. Judi Dench was released 1997 in England by Rearsby Roses Limited. This rose is currently and exclusively available through this nursery. It is owned by Robert W. Boswijk. They offer new roses by small independent hybridizers Cowlinshaw and Pearce. Rearsby Roses Ltd. does not export to the United States. Contact information for Rearsby Roses Ltd. Rearsby Roses Ltd., Melton Road, Rearsby, Leicester LE7 4YP, England Telephone: 0116 26020 1211¡
Another ¡°secret¡± ist had a series of messages from a monk in Arizona who did all the paper work to import the rose and grow it in isolation in Arizona. He took donations and promised cuttings when the plants were released from isolation. It was 2-3 years later that we got the cuttings and he used the rose to fundraise for his youth program. That part of the history is lost because the list was deleted by the owner with no notice to anyone.
To great fanfare in May of 2017, an apricot shrub rose was introduced in England by a famous rose hybridizer with no mention of the earlier red floribunda developed by Judi's gardener.
While attending the preview of the Royal Horticulture Society¡¯s Chelsea Flower Show this week, Dench went to see the special rose hybrid called the Rosa Dame Judi Dench. Grown in an Albrighton-based nursery, it took Shropshire grower David Austin eight years to perfect the apricot-colored rose.
Not everyone cares about this but this is history preserved in YahooGroups. And it will likely disappear.
Sharon
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Sharon Villines, Washington, DC
"As long as you have two or fewer, your ducks are always in a row." The Covert Comic
