Hello

My group has just been moved from Yahoo where when new members joined the group they needed to give a reason why they wanted to join

As a moderator I need to see this reason in order to approve them to the group

However I don't see this option here in the setup. Does it exist in settings somewhere?

Thanks

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Let’s post about this on beta to show Mark how pressing this need is.?

Hopefully this feature gets implemented soon!

On 02/14/2018 10:13 AM, Marina wrote:

if I should have known better

What to migrate, and how to migrate it, are issues that list-owners have
discussed since at least 1980. Back then, "best practice" was to send
two or three emails that contained the new address for the list, and how
to subscribe to it, and then unsubscribing everybody from the old
mailing list. If you lost 70% of the subscriber base doing so, well so
be it.

relocate just members without their own content (messages).

How useful will third parties find the list content?

For a software support list, it probably contains some useful material.
For a social chat list, it probably can be forgotten, with minimal loss.

do you think I could be still sued for copyright violation?

What country do you live in?

In the United States, you can be sued for any reason, or no reason at
all. The issue is whether or not the other party has a case that a
lawyer will take on contingency.
In the United Kingdom, solicitors ask about your ability to pay the
barristers retained by the other side.
This difference in who pays, means that petty squabbles in the United
States are far more likely to go to court, than in the United Kingdom.

Europe has "Right to be forgotten" legislation, which mandates all
knowledge of the individual be wiped from the record. This isn't
copyright at play ---- individuals have had stories in which they are
merely incidental by-passers purged from newspaper morgues.

#

I've migrated lists, and included their archives.
I've migrated lists, and excluded their archives.
Five years down the line, the presence or absence of the list archives
makes no difference to the list subscribers.

For historians in the field that the list covers, list archives are
incredibly useful pieces of data.
Even a list as mundane as "The 541 Front Road Home Owners Association
Off-Topic Chat List" can be useful for historians of that neighbourhood.
However, few organisations have the resources to preserve digital artefacts.

Were I to migrate a list today, I would:
* Migrate the list subscribers;
* Back up list archives, and transfer them to an appropriate historical
society, library, or museum;
thereby making the new site look, and feel brand-new.

jonathon

Someone that has actually done it would need to verify, but it should put them all on Special Notices Only.

Duane

I think I've finally figured out where the one BOLD word is coming from.? When you search for a word in the directory, that word will be in bold on the results page.? Now we just need to find out why your description is being truncated at about 170 characters...

Duane

Let's assume that a Yahoo Group is being prepared to be transferred.

Let's assume that the Yahoo Group has been in existence for over 15 years.

Let's assume that the Yahoo Group to be transferred there are a large number of members with "No Email' Delivery.

Let's assume that at the new group at groups.io? that "No Email" delivery is no longer an option.

What happens to the membership delivery status during the transfer??

Al

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 04:26 pm, Sharon Villines wrote:

On Feb 13, 2018, at 6:38 PM, toki <toki.kantoor@...> wrote:

I don’t know what the message is that is sent to transferred members is very
clear about what is happening and apparently has a link for people to opt out
of the transfer. We lost 2-300 people in the transfer

First question: how did you know that 2-300 people opted-out of the transfer? Did you receive a notice?

Second question.
I have chosen to move my group message archive, too.
So I suppose that at some point all YG group messages will show on my new Groups.io group.

My question is: if a member opts-out of the transfer for privacy/copyright/whatever reason, is there a way to delete from Groups.io his/her old YG messages?

Keeping his/her messages in the new group, where they can be viewed by other members, is considered a copyright violation, from what I can understand.

Marina

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 03:52 pm, toki wrote:

Under the EU Data Privacy Rules, it is theoretically possible for one to
be in violation of the rules.

The bigger legal risk is a copyright violation.
A user claiming that their original content was not licensed for display
on Groups.IO.

After reading all this, I am full of doubts and I wonder if I should have known better and relocate just members without their own content (messages).

I am going through the relocating process now, well before May, do you think I could be still sued for copyright violation?

Marina

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 11:38 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

Groups.io does not yet have a web-based fill-in box, but I don't know
how useful Yahoo Group's feature of that type is, when there's no custom
question asked.

At some point in my YG group, to keep the focus on the group subject, we started to restrict memberships. In our website and on the group page we stated clearly that only subscription requests with a short introduction were accepted.
Members wishing to join the group used the Yahoo box to introduce themselves and explain in a few words why they were interested in the group.
Pending members with no description were contacted by the moderator in charge and kindly asked to come out of the dark.
It worked well.

Marina

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 12:37 am, Shal Farley wrote:

That's odd. I found that group in the directory and I don't see any bold-faced
word. In fact, it doesn't look like the directory shows any formatting that
the group Description might have.
Or maybe you've gone on to other testing by now, as that group's Description
looks very short (one sentence) and no formatting also on the group's home
page

Many thanks for your help, Shal.

That group description was meant to be short, so length it's not problem in that case.
My other group description, on the other hand, was meant to be a bit longer (not excessively), but Groups Directory shows just a line and a half of text.
From that cut off description it isn't even clear what the group is about.
I turned both descriptions into plain text days ago, so there was no further testing going on, what you saw is the actual text.
Can you have a look at my second group, please? Search for Biblit in Groups Directory
/g/Biblit

If you're still seeing one of those words in bold, maybe there's a plug-in or
other software affecting what your browser is showing you. Otherwise I don't
know how to explain it.

I tried visiting Groups Directory with Microsoft Edge and then with my smartphone (searching with Google and Chrome). Even with my husband's Mac I still see that word in bold (plus the strangely shortened text).
Maybe something irreparable happened between me and Groups.io when I created the two texts.
I don't really know how to sort this out.
Food for wizard's thought.

Marina

Thank you, Shal. I'll wait it out, then.

By the way, I've found out that you cannot invite people to a subgroups. You can either add them (which is a Premium Group feature, if I am not mistaken) or they must joing the group on their own (through the subscribe address, I presume).

Marina

Marina,

I was going to create two subgroups, one for moderators and the other
for expanded discussion (meetings organization, off-topics, etc.), but
I wonder if I'd better wait until the main group (4000+ members) has
successfully relocated.

I would say create them before sending the Go email, or wait until you receive the "completed" notice. Either way should be fine, but I wouldn't risk creating them while the transfer is in progress.

Shal

Marina,

I have another small group I created to test Groups.io.
The group description in Directory has the same problem: same word in bold.

That's odd. I found that group in the directory and I don't see any bold-faced word. In fact, it doesn't look like the directory shows any formatting that the group Description might have.

Or maybe you've gone on to other testing by now, as that group's Description looks very short (one sentence) and no formatting also on the group's home page:



If you're still seeing one of those words in bold, maybe there's a plug-in or other software affecting what your browser is showing you. Otherwise I don't know how to explain it.

Shal

Shal,

All I can say is before I approved this person, they replied to my email asking them if they got the Pending Subscription email, which they told me No...I did ask them to check their Spam folder. I have two more people I have not approved yet, and I have asked them the same question about the Pending Subscription, but no word back from them yet. One member on GMF thought I should send this problem to Support, so I did. Mark emailed me asking for the email addresses of these three people, so I sent that information to him. Not long after I sent that information to Mark I received a request from a new person to join, and this time I got the email from them pertaining to the Pending Subscription. Go figure.

Don

mary,

I need to send different "pending" and "welcome" messages and I see
groups.io only lets one be active.

It only allows one of each type to be active.

There should be no problem having both a Pending Subscription notice and a Welcome notice active at the same time. I have both in some of my groups.

Shal

Don,

I looked at the Most Recent Successful Delivery, and it said Message;
Welcome notice: Welcome Message, Delivered 11:46 am. Most Recent
Unsuccessful Attempt: No email deliveries

Ok, this was after you approved the member. So I'm not sure the evidence for what happened to the Pending notices should still be here.

It does say that there were no unsuccessful attempts, so that likely means that the pending notices were accepted by the person's email service, but I'm not 100% sure. All notices should be bounce tracked, just like message posts are, I'd cite it as a bug if I had evidence that one wasn't tracked.

Shal

Marina,

I would like to give the main group members the opportunity to contact
the moderation subgroup, but I don't want them to be actually part of
the subgroup or read messages among moderators.

In the Message Policies section of the mod subgroup's settings, check "Allow Non Subscribers to Post
Posts by non-subscribers will be moderated, instead of rejected".

The two limitations are:

1) Non-members here means any non-member; there's no way to restrict it to just members of the primary group.

2) Messages from the primary group members are moderated when posting to the mod subgroup. This one might be considered an advantage, but I mention it because it is not optional.

Shal