Re: Closing the Yahoo group
On 2018-09-03 2:32 p.m., Barbara Howard wrote: Is it time to close it down completely or will this just happen in due course without
input from me? If it's up to me, then how do I go about it? When I shut down my lists on Yahoo: * banned all existing members; * unsubscribed all banned members; * set subscribe to invite only; * set the list to private; * Changed the list description to list only the new list URL; Due to the way YahooGroups was setup at the time, I had to ban the members, in order to unsubscribe them. Seemed stupid to me at the time, but such was the state of YahooGroups. I did not delete the lists. Roughly five years before I shuttered my lists, several similar lists closed their doors, with the list-owner deleting them. Within six months, the list names were re-used, except the topic was pron, rather than the subject implied by the list-name. jonathon
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Ken, I wanted them centered but to no avail ¡ª whatever I tried they revert
bank to slammed left margin. Not fatal, but not great. I had that problem trying to manipulate the code, but I found that the centering button in the WYSIWYG editor works, but seems to require that you include at least a blank paragraph above the image in the selection when you center it. In the code that seems to make the image part of that paragraph. That's probably a bug, or a little nest of them. Also, you don't necessarily need the revision date on the bottom line, the wiki page has it automatically at the top right. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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I tried copy/paste a page from a Mediawiki page: Notice the top of the page links to the actual pdf that the member composed. More on that later. ?? The result wasn¡¯t great. I had to do a bit of reformatting and had to handle the photos individually (upload, place, size, etc). I wanted them centered but to no avail ¡ª whatever I tried they revert bank to slammed left margin. Not fatal, but not great.? /g/catalina30/wiki/Repairing-an-AquaLift-muffler-%28with-pictures%29Note That I also link to the pdf. Mediawiki handles media content (pics, pdf, whatever) SO MUCH better than IO. I had to load the pdf into the IO FILES section and link to it. Not ideal (I created a folder something like ¡±wiki content¡± to hold wiki files. I could have linked to the original pdf location, but you know how that goes with future dead links, etc.? My suggestion is, if you want a serious wiki site with bells and all that, find a place to host MediaWiki and create a permalink to it on an anchored IO wiki page. ?BUT Mediawiki is not WYSIWYG like IO (you¡¯ll need to get used to using wiki markup language). ? So there¡¯s always loads of trade offs!
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Re: Closing the Yahoo group
Thanks for taking the time to respond,?Vijay. I think it was just a blip that members posted to Yahoo. Maybe returning from holiday. I think the moderating idea will prevent/alert members from posting there much longer.
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Barbara
On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 at 13:49, vijaybhuchar via Groups.Io <vijaybhuchar= [email protected]> wrote:
If it was my group, I would reject every pending message with a standard reply saying that the group has moved and they should resubscribe and resend.
Also post one final message there with words to that effect.
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Re: Closing the Yahoo group
Thanks so much, Ilene. When the time comes I now have a note of what to do. Much appreciated.
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Barbara
It is up to you whether you keep the Y group open or you close it.
First make sure you are signed in.
Go to your group.
To get rid of it got to Management - upper right corner?
Scroll down until you see Delete Group
Click on that and I am not sure if you will have to confirm it or not but that is how you delete your yahoo group.
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I keep my yahoo groups open only for reference if I need to find someone's email address using a Yahoo ID.
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Re: Closing the Yahoo group
Hi Michael
I have made a note of your 'instructions' they will come in handy over the next weeks and months. Good idea to keep the 'old' site.
Many thanks,
Barbara
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> Many thanks for previous help with the move to Groups.io which I and members are happy with. However, I have noticed that our Yahoo group still exists and one or two members have unwittingly posted there. Is it time to close it down completely or will this just happen in due course without input from me? If it's up to me, then how do I go about it?
No need to ¡®close it down completely¡¯.
In the groups I moved I:
-updated the YahooGroups Group Description page (¡°About") to announce the move and URL of the new Groups.io
-put everyone on Moderation (including myself) to prevent new posts on YahooGroups
-turned off YahooGroups Notifications for everyone except myself
-sent out a YahooGroups Special Notice (re)announcing the move, the new URL, and the new posting address
-sent out a Groups.io Special Notice announcing the move, the new URL, and the new posting address
Occasionally someone tries to post to the old YahooGroup, when I get the notification:
- I 'reject their message and reply¡¯ through the YahooGroup reminding them of the move and new posting address
- check that they were moved to Groups.io
- sometimes follow up with a message direct to them
Keep the old YahooGroups - they are a ¡®backup¡¯ archive, in case you discover something missing in the move, e.g. YahooGroups has an Attachments folder in Files, Groups.io does not move Attachments from YahooGroups. YahooGroups Attachments must be downloaded and then uploaded to Groups.io Files one by one, which changes the ¡®ownership¡¯ of the attachment/file if not done by the sender of the attachment.
BTW, Groups.io does keep Attachments attached to Groups.io Messages, which requires posters to use a good Subject line to make it easy to locate, and/or Moderation to Edit, Save & Approval Messages to correct Subject lines.
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Re: Closing the Yahoo group
Paul, thank you. I now have changed the welcome message and, indeed, made all messages to be moderated. Such a good idea. I didn't think of that,
Barbara
Hello Barbara,
We had the same situation with our relict Yahoo group after moving to GIO.
What I did was change the message in the masthead photo on the main page to say that we had moved to GIO and to come see us there.? But I left the YGroup in place as a signpost to our new GIO group.
Well at first that didn't stop a few of the die-hard members from trying to post on the old YGroup so I changed it so that all posts would have to be approved by a moderator AND I also posted a message to the group titled, 'This is the Final Post to CRL' in which I announced (yet again) that we had moved and provide a URL to the new GIO group.
Now in the very rare case that someone tries to post to the old YGroup I get an alert that there is a post needing approval.? Then I reject the post and include? a note giving directions to the member for where to join us on GIO.
We have been moved now since the end of June of this year and the posts to the old group have all stopped now.
I'd suggest just leaving your old YGroup in place as a signpost to your new GIO group but set the old one as inactive so that no one can post to it.
Cheers!
Paul M.
CRL Owner/Moderator
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Re: a list member having trouble unsubscribing
Good suggestion. Thanks. Of course, it takes the same amount of my time for me to unsubscribe them as it does to send them an email referring them to the unsubscribe address. Oh, well.
Jonathan
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On 9/3/2018 6:44 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote: On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 07:35 PM, Jonathan Sivier wrote:
I figured I would ask in case this comes up again sometime.
I have a number of people in my group who never log in, and are paranoid about doing so. Your best option for these people is to refer them to the unsub address on your home page.
Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: a list member having trouble unsubscribing
On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 07:35 PM, Jonathan Sivier wrote:
I figured I would ask in case this comes up again sometime.
I have a number of people in my group who never log in, and are paranoid about doing so. Your best option for these people is to refer them to the unsub address on your home page. Hope this helps, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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a list member having trouble unsubscribing
I got a note from a member of one of my lists today. She says she was trying to unsubscribe, but that the unsubscribe website makes it impossible because it demands agreement to the cookies before pushing the unsubscribe ¡°leave group¡± option. I'm not quite sure what this means. I'm assuming she is referring to the unsubscribe link that comes with every message. However, I've never tried to unsubscribe so I don't really know what happens when you do that. In any case I would probably have my browser already accepting cookies from the Groups.io web site so I wouldn't see any message about them.
Has anyone else run into something like this? I went ahead a removed her from the list, but I figured I would ask in case this comes up again sometime.
Jonathan
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Tom, Can the same thing be done with a PDF? While I'm certain you can copy the text of a PDF from Adobe Reader or your web browser or whatever application you use, and paste it into the edit for a group wiki page, I'm far less confident about the formatting and any embedded images. Also, PDF pages are like cut sheets of paper - each having a specific size for printing. Whereas wiki pages, like HTML pages, are more like scrolls of arbitrary length. Things like having running text in multiple columns is possible in Word and PDF, but basically foreign to wiki and web pages. So I'd say that while you can get the text there, by hook or by crook, you might be faced with a lot of reformatting work depending on the formatting features used in the PDF file. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: Displaying HTML/XML code in message archive?
Brendan, Content such as this:
<a_made_up_xml_element new_attribute=¡±new_value¡±>
<another_made_up_xml_tag />
</a_made_up_xml_element>
¡ is formatted properly in emails, but not in the group¡¯s message
archive. Looks the same to me in both Thunderbird and in GMF's page: /g/GroupManagersForum/message/11529Looking at the View Source of your message I notice that it is heavily styled, including adding its own style definitions. In the Message Formatting section of your group's Settings page there are the "Force HTML Emails", the "Normalize HTML Emails", and the "Plain Text Only" options, none of which are checked in GMF. These may affect the rendering of text, but really shouldn't cause a misinterpretation of text for code, if that's what you're seeing. In any case, the rendering of messages (and wiki pages) on Groups.io's web site "sanitizes" the HTML code to protect against elements like script or iframe which might be used in exploits. Sometimes that cleaning is over-aggressive and removes style elements that are innocent. So in a heavily styled message such as yours it is possible that the cleaning is affecting the presentation. This message is plain text, so we'll see if that's part of the issue. It appears that the ¡°Message Formatting¡± section of the settings page
only changes the format of emailed messages, and we don¡¯t have a
problem with those. I believe that both "Normalize HTML Emails", and "Plain Text Only" operate on the inbound message, and should affect both the email and web formatting. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: Closing the Yahoo group
Oh yeah that is another reason to leave the Y group open.
In many cases old Ads Letters are still in circulation so someone may visit the Y group and try to join.
Then they would be directed to the IO group from the home page at Y directing them to IO.
And in the rare case they do try to join, the pending application message will send them to IO group.
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So you can use the Y group as a tool for advertising.
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One of my Y groups, I deleted everyone from the group.
The others I made it so no one is allowed to post to the group.
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The Y group did come in handy to get a message from me to the members when unexpectedly some of the IO groups were done a while ago. I sent a message to the Y group to let the members know.
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Date: 9/3/2018 12:49:15 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Closing the Yahoo group
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Hello Barbara,
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We had the same situation with our relict Yahoo group after moving to GIO.
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What I did was change the message in the masthead photo on the main page to say that we had moved to GIO and to come see us there.??But I left the YGroup in place as a signpost to our new GIO group.
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Well at first that didn't stop a few of the die-hard members from trying to post on the old YGroup so I changed it so that all posts would have to be approved by a moderator AND I also posted a message to the group titled, 'This is the Final Post to CRL' in which I announced (yet again) that we had moved and provide a URL to the new GIO group.
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Now in the very rare case that someone tries to post to the old YGroup I get an alert that there is a post needing approval.??Then I reject the post and include??a note giving directions to the member for where to join us on GIO.
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We have been moved now since the end of June of this year and the posts to the old group have all stopped now.
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I'd suggest just leaving your old YGroup in place as a signpost to your new GIO group but set the old one as inactive so that no one can post to it.
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Cheers!
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Paul M.
CRL Owner/Moderator
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Re: Closing the Yahoo group
Many thanks for previous help with the move to Groups.io which I and members are happy with. However, I have noticed that our Yahoo group still exists and one or two members have unwittingly posted there. Is it time to close it down completely or will this just happen in due course without input from me? If it's up to me, then how do I go about it?
No need to ¡®close it down completely¡¯. In the groups I moved I: -updated the YahooGroups Group Description page (¡°About") to announce the move and URL of the new Groups.io -put everyone on Moderation (including myself) to prevent new posts on YahooGroups -turned off YahooGroups Notifications for everyone except myself -sent out a YahooGroups Special Notice (re)announcing the move, the new URL, and the new posting address -sent out a Groups.io Special Notice announcing the move, the new URL, and the new posting address Occasionally someone tries to post to the old YahooGroup, when I get the notification: - I 'reject their message and reply¡¯ through the YahooGroup reminding them of the move and new posting address - check that they were moved to Groups.io - sometimes follow up with a message direct to them Keep the old YahooGroups - they are a ¡®backup¡¯ archive, in case you discover something missing in the move, e.g. YahooGroups has an Attachments folder in Files, Groups.io does not move Attachments from YahooGroups. YahooGroups Attachments must be downloaded and then uploaded to Groups.io Files one by one, which changes the ¡®ownership¡¯ of the attachment/file if not done by the sender of the attachment. BTW, Groups.io does keep Attachments attached to Groups.io Messages, which requires posters to use a good Subject line to make it easy to locate, and/or Moderation to Edit, Save & Approval Messages to correct Subject lines.
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Re: Closing the Yahoo group
If it was my group, I would reject every pending message with a standard reply saying that the group has moved and they should resubscribe and resend.
Also post one final message there with words to that effect.
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On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 04:22 PM, Barbara Howard wrote:
Hello,
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Many thanks for previous help with the move to Groups.io which I and members are happy with. However, I have noticed that our Yahoo group still exists and one or two members have unwittingly posted there. Is it time to close it down completely or will this just happen in due course without input from me? If it's up to me, then how do I go about it?
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Barbara Howard ()
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Re: Closing the Yahoo group
Hello Barbara,
We had the same situation with our relict Yahoo group after moving to GIO.
What I did was change the message in the masthead photo on the main page to say that we had moved to GIO and to come see us there. But I left the YGroup in place as a signpost to our new GIO group.
Well at first that didn't stop a few of the die-hard members from trying to post on the old YGroup so I changed it so that all posts would have to be approved by a moderator AND I also posted a message to the group titled, 'This is the Final Post to CRL' in which I announced (yet again) that we had moved and provide a URL to the new GIO group.
Now in the very rare case that someone tries to post to the old YGroup I get an alert that there is a post needing approval. Then I reject the post and include a note giving directions to the member for where to join us on GIO.
We have been moved now since the end of June of this year and the posts to the old group have all stopped now.
I'd suggest just leaving your old YGroup in place as a signpost to your new GIO group but set the old one as inactive so that no one can post to it.
Cheers!
Paul M.
CRL Owner/Moderator
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Re: Closing the Yahoo group
It is up to you whether you keep the Y group open or you close it.
First make sure you are signed in.
Go to your group.
To get rid of it got to Management - upper right corner?
Scroll down until you see Delete Group
Click on that and I am not sure if you will have to confirm it or not but that is how you delete your yahoo group.
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I keep my yahoo groups open only for reference if I need to find someone's email address using a Yahoo ID.
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Ilene
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Date: 9/3/2018 10:22:45 AM
Subject: [GMF] Closing the Yahoo group
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Hello,
Many thanks for previous help with the move to Groups.io which I and members are happy with. However, I have noticed that our Yahoo group still exists and one or two members have unwittingly posted there. Is it time to close it down completely or will this just happen in due course without input from me? If it's up to me, then how do I go about it?
Barbara Howard () ?
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Hello,
Many thanks for previous help with the move to Groups.io which I and members are happy with. However, I have noticed that our Yahoo group still exists and one or two members have unwittingly posted there. Is it time to close it down completely or will this just happen in due course without input from me? If it's up to me, then how do I go about it?
Barbara Howard ()
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