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Bruce,

... (except this one, where editing is disabled anyway).

No, it isn't. Perhaps you're thinking of beta?

Shal


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Paul,

Could not the 'split', then 'merged' (i.e., merged) topic keep the
same name (or mostly the same name) but be distinguished from the
orignal topic by using a hashtag on the original topic to set it a
part from the moved message that was split off?

In the scenario I was describing the misplaced message already had the wrong subject, which is (in part) why it was misplaced from correct topic. In that case the temporary subject I give it when splitting it (if that's necessary) doesn't really matter because no email will be sent with that particular subject. Then when I merge it into the correct topic the temporary subject will disappear altogether from the Messages list.

Shal


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Marla,

... the Groups.io envelope icon. Is there an SVG of this available?

The logo originated in a contest at 99designs. Clicking through to their site I don't see any ability for us (the public) to download the image in any form. Which makes sense, only the owner of the image should have that ability.


It seems likely to me that only Mark has access to any quality better than what you find on the site's pages.

Shal


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So I have now completed my members' transfer. But I just discovered that calendar events are not transferred.?

Any ideas about best practices to get them from Yahoo?
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On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 10:03 am, RickGlaz wrote:

I like the warning normal Group members get that re-sends are going to be done and to
not abuse that feature. (And how the WEB archives auto deletes the original message.)

I'm not 100% sure what you mean by that, but although the original message is replaced in the display with the edited message, the original message is actually not auto-deleted. If you want to wipe out the original message, you have to go into the edit history and explicitly delete the original. (The ability for the moderator to delete it was a hard-won battle in beta around a year ago.)
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On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 04:48 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

Hopefully this will help reduce the overall confusion. See also:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam

I am stuck at the moment because I am still waiting for a copy of the new message to members who find themselves cast into the outer darkness; until I get it I cannot add it to the work-in-progress wiki. (No; I haven't simply forgotten about it!) Mark may not have seen the post I put in beta that followed his original announcement of the change, and I am hopeful that the message I sent to "support" might prove fruitful. It was sent a couple of days ago and I know that for perfectly valid reasons the turnaround time there is a bit long.

From various other threads / posts on this and the betagroup forum "messages to prospective / actual members" and "interrnal processes" are something of a black hole to moderators, which is a pity. IMHO an awful lot of of the queries that arise could be prevented if the Help section had more information in it. I know that is easy to say, but that doesn't stop it being true.

Regards,

Chris

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 07:03 am, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 04:48 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

NEW: Display the name of the owner of each photo album.

I requested this recently in beta...all appreciation to Mark!

It will come in handy for cleaning out photo albums owned by those who subsequently leave the group.

Bruce

Now, (wish, wish) if we only had the ability to edit the owner for photo albums. The Yahoo group transfer process was not successful at bringing over folder owner names. I can't see any settings that would pertain to this. Perhaps some default permission for Group Owner/Moderator to change the ownership of the folder.
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I've done the multiple memberships with different permissions for Years. (At Y!)

Moving on... (About editing.)
In 1989, FDR (First Data Resources) a major Credit Card Processor experimented
with allowing merchants to edit transactions "after the fact" but before their batch closings
were sent -- generally at close of business for the day.
It created chaos and confusion (mistakes happened before or after) and allowed fraud.
Nothing was trackable.

QuickBooks (by Intuit) allowed similar edits 'Company File wide' (which is reasonable)
but allowed the audit trail file to be turned off. (So no record of who did what or when.)
It is unlikely they did CC merchant accounts at that time so that is unrelated.
(I was an Online-Banking Beta Tester, Nebula ver5 all the way to last build 93. 1996)
(I'm in EasterEgg.)

Getting back to how this relates to Group actions:
Allowing edits with no re-sends is a slippery slope. (The above samples are very condensed.)
I like the warning normal Group members get that re-sends are going to be done and to
not abuse that feature. (And how the WEB archives auto deletes the original message.)

Having said all that, the way the WEB site can and does change the old messages
dynamically and in real-time (like adding your picture to ALL messages later, in hindsight,)
is very cool...

Rick

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On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 04:48 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

NEW: For enterprise groups, add a link back to Groups.io under the
account dropdown in the upper right.

I was very happy to see this change...it makes switching between my enterprise groups and my regular groups much easier

Linda Perry

Maria,

There are several online sites that can change image files to svg. For example, you can select this png file ( /img/org.1/mainlogo.png?) and have it converted to an svg file such as this. Of course, it would look better when the background is not white.



http://pngtosvg.com/
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On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 09:30 pm, Southenders Admin wrote:

I deleted the member and reinstated him. No more missing email
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Norm,

I am pretty sure you are referring to the comment I made in a previous post. Happy to hear that it worked.

However, I have also been following your quest to transfer a group from Yahoo to groups.io. Are these two different instances? You've said in other posts that no members have yet joined the group that you are in the process of transferring. Was your question about missing email about a different groupsio group or was it an issue on the Yahoo group you are transferring?
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On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 07:37 am, Bruce Bowman wrote:

I own all of the groups that I participate in (except this one

Many of us create a separate 'member' account on our groups so we can see and test this sort of thing.? Might minimize the surprises later.

Duane
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On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 07:08 am, Duane wrote:

NOT resending is only an option for a moderator.?

See, this is one of those undocumented things that I never run across because I own all of the groups that I participate in. I guess I need to incrementally take away my own privileges and see what other surprises are in store...or create a second member account as Duane suggested.

Thanks Duane!

Bruce

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 07:03 am, Bruce Bowman wrote:

In this case the poster/editor has the option to re-send to the group, but many of them don't

NOT resending is only an option for a moderator.? An edit by a regular member will always be sent again.

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On Mar 24, 2018, at 10:01 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

You can rename a group any time you want. It's not advisable to do so because it confuses people and their email client. It's when you delete a group that you can't reuse the name unless you can get it freed up by contacting support.

A reminder that when you rename a group or subgroup, that any instructions, intro letter, etc., do not automatically correct to the new name. You need to recheck everything.

Sharon
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"As long as you have two or fewer, your ducks are always in a row." The Covert Comic

Please note the distinction between the Members list and the Directory. The former is under the Admin section and is used to edit permissions, subscription info and to send private communications. The latter is a semi-public place to identify group members and share profile information.

This may be obvious to you but perhaps not to your friend in Germany. It is frequent source of confusion in discussions of this nature.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 04:48 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

NEW: Display the name of the owner of each photo album.

I requested this recently in beta...all appreciation to Mark!

It will come in handy for cleaning out photo albums owned by those who subsequently leave the group.

Bruce

Thanks Shall.
We're a group of 150 retired men. The wife of one member got her husband in.
Neither I nor any of the ten members I had dinner with last night received that email. But those who have are confused.
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On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 04:42 pm, Valerie Bock wrote:

The split and re-merge solution does seem kind of awkward, but I can see the logic behind it.

It is awkward but versatile.

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Something a little less complex would be an improvement!

No matter how convenient it is made, emails will still be going out with the original, "wrong" subject line.?

The same is true with the message editing option, only worse...someone posts a message, it immediately goes out, only to have the original poster edit it so the content is different from what everyone previously got. In this case the poster/editor has the option to re-send to the group, but many of them don't, leading to confusion.*

You can achieve Facebook-like behavior by doing what Facebook does...set everybody to "no email" and force your subscribers to read things on the web.?It's either that, or moderate all posts and send back the noncompliant ones.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

*I might actually allow message editing if there was a configuration option to disable "no resend,"?

Members Visibility is set to "Owners and Moderators with the correct permissions",

I figured out my wife's deal before I read your last line in your first Email. She as owner had only 3 permissions set before I changed her to "Moderator". BUT, one of those was "Set Moderator Privileges". I didn't realize "Privileges" equated to "Permissions". I took off the check mark and voila the list went away. Why can't "Privileges" be "Permissions"?

But I still have Bart's problem. Not only do I "Save" any changes I go back to "Members" and re-enter the member's profile to be sure it "took". I'm too new not to. Bart is in Germany and I am in California (yes it is late here) so I'll have him log in anew to see if all is better.

Thanks! I'll be back if he still doesn't have access.

> On March 24, 2018 at 10:46 PM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
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> Paul,
>
> > I set moderator Bart to “view member list” and “Set Member
> > Subscriptions” so he could help another member but he says the member
> > list is not visible.
>
> In the Privacy section of your group's Settings page, what is Members
> Visible set to? If it is "Owners Only" that's the problem with Bart.
>
> > So I changed my wife from Owner to Moderator and gave her the same
> > permissions as Bart. Then I logged in on her computer to her
> > membership and looked at her membership profile AND all the
> > permissions are shown ...
>
> Whenever performing tests of this sort always remember to refresh the
> page when you switch tabs, or windows, or browsers, or machines.
> Otherwise browser (or server) page caching may fool you. That said...
>
> If the Members Visible is set to "Owners Only", then I don't understand
> how she can see her own Membership page. She shouldn't see the Members
> button in the left column at all. On the other hand, if it is set to
> "All Owners, and moderators with the correct permissions" then I don't
> understand why Bart doesn't see the list.
>
> Assuming for the moment the latter case, if you mean that her
> permissions were all checked I don't have an explanation for that.
>
> Did you change her role and uncheck her permissions in the same session
> with her membership page, or did you change her role first, save that,
> and then come back to uncheck her other permissions? If the latter is it
> possible you didn't save those changes?
>
> > and I was able to change any at will! Her “Role” is set to
> > “moderator”.
>
> If they were all checked that would include the permission to "Set
> Moderator Privileges" - which is why you would have been able to change
> any at will.
>
> Shal
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