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Re: Daily Summary email delivery issue?

 

On Wed, Mar 19, 2025 at 03:22 PM, Julie in MD (Maryland) wrote:
(The members that started bouncing today are very old members ported from yahoo.groups.? I only mentioned in case it could be related. )
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Are the bouncing members the ones that didn't get the daily summary?

Frances
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Re: Daily Summary email delivery issue?

 

There was a Daily Summary delivery for me yesterday (March 18) and for the member reporting the issue and for the random spot check I did for a half dozen members including individuals in multiple times zones Eastern to Pacific.? However none of us got a message this morning March 19 and none of the spot checks had delivery failures either.? ?Since several members posted new messages yesterday that should have generated a Daily Summary this morning.? Email delivery history shows nothing for today, except my owner+ messages which are being delivered.? No groups summary.
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I am guessing that the system issue reported yesterday must have had more fallout for morning email...but wanted to know where to monitor or if I am unique in experiencing the issue.??
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For now I will watch for responses here? and monitor that beta group site to see if there is an update.??
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(The members that started bouncing today are very old members ported from yahoo.groups.? I only mentioned in case it could be related. )
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Re: Daily Summary email delivery issue?

 

On Wed, Mar 19, 2025 at 02:42 PM, Julie in MD (Maryland) wrote:
s there a delivery issue on Daily summaries today?? I was alerted by a member of one group I moderate that they had no morning summary.
I see in Beta groups that Mark Fletcher (developer of ) runs:
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Degraded service #outage

When:
Tuesday, March 18, 2025
3:20pm to 4:05pm
(UTC-07:00) America/Los Angeles

Organizer:
Mark Fletcher
[email protected]

Description:

A change to the site caused an overloaded database, leading to slow web responses and the appearance of the maintenance page. Ironically, the change was to allow additional unit testing of part of the site (the unit tests passed, but the code did not behave correctly under load).

All email sent during this time was queued up and has been processed.

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If there was email yesterday, check to see if there was a catch up.
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Frances
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Daily Summary email delivery issue?

 

Is there a delivery issue on Daily summaries today?? I was alerted by a member of one group I moderate that they had no morning summary.? There delivery history? showed daily "accepted" every day but not today.? Since I often operate from the web site I checked my own email and and realize there was no daily summary delivered to my email today.? My email delivery shows no email delivery today nor do several members I checked including? a primary fellow moderator.? There was activity in our group yesterday so there should be a Daily Summary.? Is there a groups.io systemwide issue?? IF there is a place I should be checking to find alerts of system wide issues I am not sure where to look - actually that is a good thing because it means this happens so rarely I've never learned how to check for system issues.
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Both groups I moderate are free, grandfathered if that matters.??
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Also I noted in the activity log that shortly after noon, 12:18 pm (ET) 11 members were suddenly bouncing if that might be related.??
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Julie McMahon
Moderator/Owner
LBD Caring Spouses
Life After Lewy
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Re: posting visible to sender and email threads

 

In my group, only a sentence or two is permitted to be quoted from the original message, and even then only if absolutely necessary for clarity. We all got the original message, so no one needs to read it again.? We surely do not need the whole footer!
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2) When some members reply to a message, the thread does not appear.? Other times yes, but generally no.? Why is the message, or thread, being replied to not show??

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Re: Migrating Old Yahoo Archived Mailing Lists Messages to Groups.IO

 

Thanks. I hoped it was possible, but wanted to confirm.
Re: posting visible to sender and email threads

 

On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 12:37 PM, Carlos McDonald wrote:

1) When I post or reply to a posting, my message doesn’t show even though I’ve clicked on the preference to receive my copies. I only know for sure it went through if someone else replies.? Not sure if this is to all group users or just me but is there something in Settings for this?

As Frances said, if it appears in the online message archive, then it got sent. You can also see if it was sent back to you at /g/GROUPNAME/subdeliveries (where GROUPNAME is the name of the group).
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That doesn't necessarily mean it will be delivered, though.
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If I send a post by email, and it's thus already in my Outbox, GMail often filters out what comes back as a dupe. The most reliable way I've found to circumvent this behavior is to subscribe to a digest instead of individual emails.?

2) When some members reply to a message, the thread does not appear.? Other times yes, but generally no.? Why is the message, or thread, being replied to not show??

By default, does not quote previous content. If you want a quote to appear, you have to do it yourself. This is easy enough to do, either using the online editor or your own mail client. I am appending some text on this from the Member's Manual.
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I find this to be desirable behavior. To see all the messages in context, one can always read them online.
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Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Quoting messages you are replying to

Note:?This topic covers quoting messages that you are replying to on a group’s website. If you are replying to messages via email, the method for automatically including quoted messages in replies as well as where quoted text is placed (for example, at the top or bottom of the message) depend on the specific email application you are using.

When you are replying to a message on a group’s website, you can automatically include (quote) all or part of that message in your reply.

To quote the entire message you are replying to:

  1. Under the message you want to reply to, click or tap the?Reply?link.
  2. On the text formatting toolbar above the text editing box, click or tap the?Quote post?icon??at the far left (in a desktop browser, it is to the right of the More options icon). The message text is inserted automatically at the top of your reply’s text editing box, along with the message’s posting date and time and the author’s name.

To quote only part of the message you are replying to:

  1. While viewing the message you want to reply to, select the specific text that you want to quote. (You do not need to use a copy function.)
  2. Click or tap the?Reply?link under the message. The text you selected is inserted automatically at the top of your reply’s text editor box, along with the message’s posting date and time and the author’s name.
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Re: posting visible to sender and email threads

 

On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 12:37 PM, Carlos McDonald wrote:

) When I post or reply to a posting, my message doesn’t show even though I’ve clicked on the preference to receive my copies. I only know for sure it went through if someone else replies.? Not sure if this is to all group users or just me but is there something in Settings for this?

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2) When some members reply to a message, the thread does not appear.? Other times yes, but generally no.? Why is the message, or thread, being replied to not show??

Do your posts show online in the Messages archive?

You should also check your subscription and group activity and email delivery history.
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Check this - perhaps you are getting the emails to your group owner email address, or a private reply.
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Moderator notifications:
Activity log:
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Frances
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posting visible to sender and email threads

 

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Basically a novice so any help very appreciated.

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Have 2 questions and wondering if there’s something I haven’t done as the group administrator.?

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1) When I post or reply to a posting, my message doesn’t show even though I’ve clicked on the preference to receive my copies. I only know for sure it went through if someone else replies.? Not sure if this is to all group users or just me but is there something in Settings for this?

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2) When some members reply to a message, the thread does not appear.? Other times yes, but generally no.? Why is the message, or thread, being replied to not show??

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Thank you!

Carlos McDonald

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Re: Group archive discovered to be publicly viewable

 

On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 03:50 PM, BarryS wrote:
After several years of assumed security, we have discovered that our group's archive settings allowed 'anyone to view'. We have corrected the settings, so the archive will be viewable only by group members going forward.
Keep in mind that while the archives were available to the public, they were probably scanned by Google and other search companies.? Eventually they'll realize they can't get there any more and give up.? It's my understanding that Google will delete old search results when this happens, but I don't know about others.? There's also a way to force Google to try a new scan to speed up the process, but I don't have it handy.
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Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual found in the Help Center.
Re: Group archive discovered to be publicly viewable

 

On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 04:50 PM, BarryS wrote:
Nevertheless, it would be useful to know if/when the archive has been viewed by nonmembers.
开云体育 stores no record of viewing by members, let alone nonmembers.
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Regards,
Bruce
Group archive discovered to be publicly viewable

 

After several years of assumed security, we have discovered that our group's archive settings allowed 'anyone to view'. We have corrected the settings, so the archive will be viewable only by group members going forward.?

It's good to know that ' When an archive is publicly viewable, email addresses are always hidden from nonmembers who view the archive'

Nevertheless, it would be useful to know if/when the archive has been viewed by nonmembers. Is there a digital record of such views, and if so how can it be accessed?

Many thanks.
Barry
Re: Migrating Old Yahoo Archived Mailing Lists Messages to Groups.IO

 

On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 10:58 AM, Martin Iturbide wrote:
We had a lot of useful material on the Yahoo Groups discussion that .
Interesting that archive.org was able to scrape some of these groups and retrieve messages with full email addresses. I thought you had to be a group admin to do that.

But this backup is just plain text and it is not simple for people to search on that discussions or even be indexed by Google.
The archive I just downloaded contained content from 41 separate OS/2-related groups. Of those that archive.org was able to get any messages, they seem to be in mbox format, and some of the messages within are in html.?

My question, is there any way, or experience on migrating this Yahoo Groups backup text backup into 开云体育? The idea will be to create a read only group to show the messages in an organized way and that can be searchable.
You might try posting a private message to Mark Fletcher ([email protected]). In the past, he has been willing to manually import such files in exchange for a year of Premium ($220 per group).
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You could try also using Lena's Perl script (/g/GroupManagersForum/message/22251) to re-post the messages to a group or subgroup. The script itself is available at /g/GroupManagersForum/files/ioimport.zip That approach would be free, but it runs at 40 messages/hour, and I have never been able to get it to work. I didn't try very hard, though.
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See also /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/15860 . Some of the info therein is out of date.
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Regards,
Bruce
Re: Member difficulties

 

On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 08:02 AM, UKenGB wrote:
Is it possible to upgrade to Premium for just one month and then revert to Basic?
Yes. There is a green button on the Upgrade page specifically for that purpose.
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Follow the instructions at /helpcenter/single/ownersmanual#groupproceduresgroup_upgradinghtm and select the rightmost button in the Premium block. Your cost will be $20 if you have <500 members. More members than that, and I'm afraid you'll have to pay extra.

When reverting back to Basic, can I be sure we will retain the features we currently have as a pre 2000 Group?
We have received no reports of any problem with this.
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Regards,
Bruce
Re: Migrating Old Yahoo Archived Mailing Lists Messages to Groups.IO

 

Thanks. Creating PDFs is an alternative.
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But I'm open for more alternatives on how to organize the Yahoo Groups backup in a way that are searchable for the public. Preferable if those can be imported to a 开云体育 group.
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Regards
Member difficulties

 

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I run a number of Groups and try to impress on all members to NOT use a work email address and ALWAYS set up a password to enable access to the account in the event of email problems. Do they listen? No.

So periodically someone changes their email address, loses access to the old one and has never set up their password for access to their account. and so are locked out.

Of course they can join again, but as a different member and hence not associated with previous activities.

For a free/Basic Group, of course even the owner cannot fix this, but it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility to pay for a month's upgrade to Premium in order to fix the problem, then revert to Basic. However hoping for help with a couple of questions about this:-

? Is it possible to upgrade to Premium for just one month and then revert to Basic?

? When reverting back to Basic, can I be sure we will retain the features we currently have as a pre 2000 Group?

Hope someone can help with this.



Ken ?G i l l e t t

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Re: Question: +owner messages

 

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I do check for group.io mail frequently in outlook on my computer. I use the app if I am out and about. The reason I said a pending owner message notification would be useful is that I have asked members of my listserv to use that address if they want something changed or done with a message sent to the listserv. Most people send those messages to my personal email, and while I check that frequently as well, I go to the listserv messages first - as we are a "moderate all messages" group.?

It's not a huge deal to me, I replied to an ask from someone to say if we thought that a pending owner message would be useful to us. I can live without it, and have since we moved our group from Yahoo to groups.io - right when groups.io began. I love the high functionality of groups.io and am grateful to Mark that he created it.

Wicca

From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bruce Bowman via groups.io <bowman46118@...>
Sent:?Saturday, March 15, 2025 6:02 AM
To:[email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject:?Re: [GMF] Question: +owner messages
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On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 05:16 AM, Wicca Jampolsky Davidson wrote:
I think a pending owner message flag would be useful as the members of my 1036 person group use?the +owner email to call my attention to some detail in a message they have sent for posting.?
Okay, I think I finally get it. You (and possibly Ken) use the app/web interface exclusively for groups.io functions and don't check email often (if at all). On that basis I can understand why some indicator that an +owner message has arrived might be useful.
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I'm not fond of the Pending idea, though. The problem is, how do you clear the "flag?" Are we going to force group admins to log in just to do this? Sending you an email to tell you that you have an email doesn't strike me as productive, either.?
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Rather than a flag or badge, it might be useful to have an option?to set up a Moderator web/app notification?for this (/helpcenter/manual/ownersmanual/notifications/notifications_mod_individual_groups.htm), perhaps including a link to the message. Those group admins who do check their email regularly can simply not turn it on.
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Nonetheless, please note that +owner messages from non-members?are not stored on the site. Unless Mark changes that too, you'll still have to launch your email to address those.
Regards,
Bruce
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P.S. GMF gets a lot of spam sent to +owner. No way would I turn on such a notification...the emails are bad enough.
Re: Question: +owner messages

 
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On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 05:16 AM, Wicca Jampolsky Davidson wrote:
I think a pending owner message flag would be useful as the members of my 1036 person group use?the +owner email to call my attention to some detail in a message they have sent for posting.?
Okay, I think I finally get it. You (and possibly Ken) use the app/web interface exclusively for groups.io functions and don't check email often (if at all). On that basis I can understand why some indicator that an +owner message has arrived might be useful.
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I'm not fond of the Pending idea, though. The problem is, how do you clear the "flag?" Are we going to force group admins to log in just to do this? Sending you an email to tell you that you have an email doesn't strike me as productive, either.?
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Rather than a flag or badge, it might be useful to have an option to set up a Moderator web/app notification for this (/helpcenter/manual/ownersmanual/notifications/notifications_mod_individual_groups.htm), perhaps including a link to the message. Those group admins who do check their email regularly can simply not turn it on.
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Nonetheless, please note that +owner messages from non-members are not stored on the site. Unless Mark changes that too, you'll still have to launch your email to address those.

Regards,
Bruce
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P.S. GMF gets a lot of spam sent to +owner. No way would I turn on such a notification...the emails are bad enough.
Re: Question: +owner messages

 

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I think a pending owner message flag would be useful as the members of my 1036 person group use?the +owner email to call my attention to some detail in a message they have sent for posting.?

Wicca?

From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bruce Bowman via groups.io <bowman46118@...>
Sent:?Friday, March 14, 2025 8:00 PM
To:[email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject:?Re: [GMF] Question: +owner messages
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On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 02:41 PM, Ken Schweizer wrote:
Can I assume there isn’t a?folder called?“+owner messages”?
In the Activity Log, pull down the filter menu and select action "Message - to +owner". You can get a complete list that way.
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Generally, though...
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-- In the web interface, +owner messages are grouped by subscriber.?
-- There is no separate notification you can set up for when an +owner message arrives.?
-- As best I can tell, +owner messages from non-members are not stored at all.

Obviously, there isn’t a pending owner message flag. Is that something that would be useful to others?
Superficially, I'm not too interested in...
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-- receiving a notification that an +owner message has arrived,
-- reviewing it for content, and then
-- releasing it back to myself.
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That said, there may be some use case that I'm not understanding.
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Regards,
Bruce
Re: Question: +owner messages

 

On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 02:41 PM, Ken Schweizer wrote:
Can I assume there isn’t a?folder called?“+owner messages”?
In the Activity Log, pull down the filter menu and select action "Message - to +owner". You can get a complete list that way.
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Generally, though...
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-- In the web interface, +owner messages are grouped by subscriber.?
-- There is no separate notification you can set up for when an +owner message arrives.?
-- As best I can tell, +owner messages from non-members are not stored at all.

Obviously, there isn’t a pending owner message flag. Is that something that would be useful to others?
Superficially, I'm not too interested in...
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-- receiving a notification that an +owner message has arrived,
-- reviewing it for content, and then
-- releasing it back to myself.
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That said, there may be some use case that I'm not understanding.
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Regards,
Bruce
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