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Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?

 

Can I suggest you send your group an email from your migrated group - by email to your Groups.io email address or by logging into your group space on Groups.io and sending something from there?

Then your group members will see they are still group members and are receiving email from the group.?

I hope most most of your members are receiving mail. My group is set so that Special Notices is the least frequent delivery method. If you have Special Notices only, send your first message via your group site and tick the Special Notices checkbox.?

Frances
Re: Message Settings #groupowner

 

DOH! Face/Palm moment. Thanks.
Re: Are Adult groups allowed on groups.io

Johnny M Ross
 

Well its an adult film star group, so I dont think it is appropriate for here. This website is so much like yahoo groups, except for yahoo allowed adults only groups. Too bad they went under, they were the best for this type of group. Do you have any alternatives that accept adult groups and reach a wide audience.? I think google groups is dead now like yahoo?
Re: Are Adult groups allowed on groups.io

 

There's no way to have a group limited to adults only. To know whether your group is acceptable, you should read Conditions of Use > User Conduct in the TOS. If you still aren't sure, you could send a message to [email protected] for clarification. I think it will depend on the content and intent of the group.

Duane
Re: Message Settings #groupowner

 

They can use the email commands, shown at /static/help#emailcommands for some. They can also sign in to the site and go to any of their groups, select Subscription from the left menu, and change as needed (being sure to Save when done.)

Duane
Are Adult groups allowed on groups.io

Johnny M Ross
 

Hi, I wanted to transfer my adults only yahoo group to groups.io, but I cannot find any info that adult groups are allowed on here.Can anyone tell me for sure and if so how do I make my group available to adults only. I have not posted or done anything til I find out if my group is allowed. If not, I will be deleting it as soon as I get a reply. Thank You.
Message Settings #groupowner

 

How can members change the own email settings??

Norman
MediaPro
Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?

 

Secretary,

They would have had no idea the group was up and running as I'd never
told them,
Each would have received a "welcome" message from Groups.io, whether or not you set one up under Member Notices.

so this message must (I assume) have gone out to ALL the new members
set up as part of the migration. There was nothing "user-initiated"
about it as they would have no way of knowing that IO was there
waiting.
Bad assumption. That's clearly the message sent when your Director went to the Groups.io site and clicked on the ""Email me a link to log in" button.

So, I think you are saying that everyone will now need to log on to
/login, then type their old YG e-mail address then
either "Forget your password" or "Email me a link to log in" to access
member-only areas like Wiki.
Correct. While they're there they can set a password if they like, or they can simply use the "Email me a link to log in" button when needed and never have a password.

Shal
Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?

Secretary
 

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Hi Shal,

This is what our Director received:

Hello,
Here is a link to log into your Groups.io account:


It will expire in 60 minutes, on 01/22/2018 at 11:29pm GMT,
 but you'll stay logged in for 30 days, unless and until you log out.
If you did not ask for a login link to be sent to you, please ignore this email.

Cheers,
 The Groups.io Team

They would have had no idea the group was up and running as I'd never told them, so this message must (I assume) have gone out to ALL the new members set up as part of the migration.? There was nothing "user-initiated" about it as they would have no way of knowing that IO was there waiting.

So, I think you are saying that everyone will now need to log on to /login, then type their old YG e-mail address then either? "Forget your password" or "Email me a link to log in" to access member-only areas like Wiki.

Thanks.
On 23/01/18 11:33, Shal Farley wrote:

Secretary,

> However, the message received, presumably by all members (I had
> already joined as a tester so didn't get a message), asked them to
> click on a link in the next 60 minutes.

That message should not have resulted from the transfer, per se.

That sounds like the "Forget your password" or "Email me a link to log in" message. Which is always user-initiated, so the user should be prepared and ready to receive the message.

> What I don't understand is what I need to do next to get the guys
> fully active.

For receiving and posting group messages by email, nothing. They are good to go once copied in by the transfer agent.

To access members-only areas of the group web site they need to log in. To do that the first time they can use the Log In page and select either
"Forget your password" or "Email me a link to log in". They will need to enter their email address (the one copied over from the Y!Group), receive the message, and use the link in it within the allotted time.

Shal




Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?

 

Matty,

Is there a fallback option - i.e. if you don't click the link within
its lifetime, do you turn into a pumpkin or do you have an option to
request access or something?
As mentioned to Secretary, the timed link is only sent in response to a user action, and is only associated with logging in to the web site.

If the link times out, just request another on the Log In screen.

Shal
Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?

 

Secretary,

However, the message received, presumably by all members (I had
already joined as a tester so didn't get a message), asked them to
click on a link in the next 60 minutes.
That message should not have resulted from the transfer, per se.

That sounds like the "Forget your password" or "Email me a link to log in" message. Which is always user-initiated, so the user should be prepared and ready to receive the message.

What I don't understand is what I need to do next to get the guys
fully active.
For receiving and posting group messages by email, nothing. They are good to go once copied in by the transfer agent.

To access members-only areas of the group web site they need to log in. To do that the first time they can use the Log In page and select either
"Forget your password" or "Email me a link to log in". They will need to enter their email address (the one copied over from the Y!Group), receive the message, and use the link in it within the allotted time.

Shal
Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?

 

You are confusing a couple of things. Firstly you and your members need
to do absolutely nothing, after the transfer they receive an email
telling they have been transferred - there is a link to click in that
email if they do NOT want to be in the new group, there is no time
limit on that link.

I think what you are talking about is the first time they visit the
group they are asked to set up a password - they will then be emailed a
link to enable that and that link is valid from one hour only from the
time they click it. If they decide not to set up a password they will
still be members but won't be able to access the group via the web,
only email.

Dave

On 23 Jan 2018 at 2:38, Secretary wrote:

However, the message received, presumably by all members (I had already
joined as a tester so didn't get a message), asked them to click on a
link in the next 60 minutes.? This was daytime USA, but just before
midnight in the UK, so the probability of any/many clicking on the link
in time is approaching zero.

What I don't understand is what I need to do next to get the guys fully
active.? Advice would be much appreciated as we have our first event of
the year - a repertoire whole weekend away - this coming weekend!
Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?

Matty Smith
 

Hi
One of our Groups is in the process of being transferred and I was really concerned to see this issue raised. We are also in the UK.
Could the link like be extended to 24 hours?
Is there a fallback option - i.e. if you don't click the link within its lifetime, do you turn into a pumpkin or do you have an option to request access or something?
thanks
Matty
Matty Smith
Skype: mattysmith769 ? mobile: +44 (0) 7590 479192
What action is required by members after the transfer?

Secretary
 

My (small but perfectly formed) group has been transferred.? Many, many thanks to Mark.

However, the message received, presumably by all members (I had already joined as a tester so didn't get a message), asked them to click on a link in the next 60 minutes.? This was daytime USA, but just before midnight in the UK, so the probability of any/many clicking on the link in time is approaching zero.

What I don't understand is what I need to do next to get the guys fully active.? Advice would be much appreciated as we have our first event of the year - a repertoire whole weekend away - this coming weekend!

Thanks in anticipation.
Re: arrrggghhhh! I don't get it (just a rant)

 

You're not the only one howling into that wind.
While I attempting transfer of my largest group (almost 1800);
(Transfer requested but no action yet) I have been suggesting
similar moves for nine other groups. A couple are so dormant
that YG could be down for a week and no one would notice.
Four members quit in protest when I told the group I had requested
a files transfer. They lit into me with parting comments about being alarmist,
really aggravated than YG would not let them unsubscribe; after trying
multiple times. YG sent me multiple (upto six) un-subscription notices
for each one. Later I was able to manually remove their memberships.
They blamed me because YG was non-functional, citing my desire to
move the group as the reason for their YG problems.

I have tried to help other groups that I value, in one case setting up
a shadow group in groups.io with the same name. Their reply is that
they have been with YG for 18 years and they will consider moving only when YG
shuts down. They don't seem to realize that will be to late.

Poll the members of your 'other' groups and give them a choice of outcomes.
My groups wanted the database files and photos preserved. Automatic
membership came in second. 25% were willing to ride YG into the dust
until it dies without saving the database. About 15% did not want to take
any action, even planning to develop a group on another host. It's like
watching a ship wreck and blaming the launching of lifeboats for sinking the ship.

I do need to consider how I can move photos and files (where new photos can be added
now that YG's photo function seldom works. If I can move some of those,
then I can tell YG group members that they can start a new in groups.io group.

With some YG list owners and moderators, it's like herding cats.
(I can do that, but the dog is better)


ken

On 2018-01-22 21:36, J_Catlady wrote:
I was trying to help another cats group by suggesting that they move
from yahoo to groups.io [1]. I was sort of trying to sell them on a
"the sky is falling" scenario and they better move soon, because
that's what I've been picking up on lately - that yahoo is getting so
bad that Mark is having problems even doing the transfer, that he
can't keep up with all the transfers, etc. This is one of the best
cats groups and I didn't want to lose them in the downfall of yahoo,
and I was honestly trying to help them.
They more or less jumped down my throat. One accused me of working for
groups.io [1]. The group owner said they'd been in yahoo since 2002
and while there were "a few problems," nothing is perfect, and it
would be better for them to stay. Another said she'd joined a
groups.io [1] group a couple of years ago and was immediately deluged
with spam, but "maybe it's more secure now," she didn't know. A third
said she'd joined "eight groups.io [1] groups" and found them "less
convenient" than yahoo.
It was crazy. I didn't know how to deal with it without sounding even
more like I'm "working for" groups.io [1]. Only a couple of people
said they'd had problems with their messages not posting on yahoo and
they wouldn't mind moving, but overall, the feeling expressed was it
was too risky to move, there are problems "everywhere," etc.
Arggggghhhh!
J
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[3] /mt/8682535/357285
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[5] /g/GroupManagersForum/editsub/357285
[6] /g/GroupManagersForum
[7] /static/tos
[8] /g/GroupManagersForum/leave/defanged
Re: arrrggghhhh! I don't get it (just a rant)

 

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:22 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
It was crazy. I didn't know how to deal with it without sounding even more like I'm "working for" . Only a couple of people said they'd had problems with their messages not posting on yahoo and they wouldn't mind moving, but overall, the feeling expressed was it was too risky to move, there are problems "everywhere," etc.
?
Sorry to hear about your experience J,

Having been a group admin first on eGroups, then Y! and now groups.io nothing surprises me any more about the general public, whether they be group/forum members or not. A nasty experience for you nonetheless. Hope you feel better after venting here. :-)

Regards,

John P
Re: member got deleted

 

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:14 pm, atinalee@... wrote:

Is there any way to sign her up again without her doing it?
If you pay $10 for one month (to make your group Premium for a month) then you'll be able to add members to that group during that month.


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Re: member got deleted

 

This was discussed on here recently. The solution is not to mark
messages as spam or train her ISP not to do it in the first place. It
is not groups.io problem, they are just doing what they are told.

Dave

On 22 Jan 2018 at 11:58, atinalee@... via Groups.Io wrote:

My only issue now with iogroups is that they delete people if letters go
to spam. I have a member who got so upset she won't sign up again and I
dont want to lose members here.




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Re: member got deleted

 

In another topic Anita wrote:

My only issue now with iogroups is that they delete people if letters
go to spam. I have a member who got so upset she won't sign up again
and I dont want to lose members here.

Is there any way to sign her up again without her doing it?
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/3522

Just pulling these comments into this topic.

Shal
Re: arrrggghhhh! I don't get it (just a rant)

 

J,

I was trying to help another cats group by suggesting that they move
from yahoo to groups.io. ...

They more or less jumped down my throat.
And you're surprised by this?

I don't know whether you made your suggestion on-list or privately to the group admins, and I don't know the culture of this group and its members, but if on-list I'm almost surprised you're not banned for being off-topic and disruptive.

I was sort of trying to sell them on a "the sky is falling" scenario
and they better move soon,
Even if your suggestion was made privately I can understand their hesitance. They're getting conflicting reports about Groups.io and about Yahoo. One thing they may know is that over the years there have been many scares with claims that Yahoo Groups is circling the drain; and that, so far at least, it hasn't gone down. So yes, you may have been seen as just another Chicken Little.

You and I may agree that there are some objectively different things about this instance (unsupported, new owner, etc.) but I'm still not surprised that someone might resist what may seem to them to be alarmist information.

Shal
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