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Re: Acceptance time frame for [email protected] account #transfer

 

I purchased a Premium Plan, requested a transfer from Yahoo Groups, and invited [email protected] about 9:00am ET this morning.

I received an email from groups.io to make [email protected]?a YG moderator at 6:44pm this evening. I did so and gave the transfer go ahead.

So, almost 10 hours from invite to transfer go ahead.


Re: Suggestion for the Members Page #members #search

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 07:32 PM, Ted Sarah wrote:
There needs to be a way to clear the search on the Members Page so that you can get back to the full list.
Pull down the blue menu at upper left (just left of "File Sync") and select Members (or Moderators, or Bouncing, or...).

Regards,
Bruce


Locked Latest info on pricing structure #announcement #pricing

 

Hi

A repost of an article that was sent out earlier this evening. People still haven't seen it.

Hi All,
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Sometimes I reflect on my youth, and harken back to that simpler time, that quieter time. You know, seven days ago.
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I appreciate all the feedback, and I mean ALL of it. My intention with the pricing change is solely to set up the business for long term success and to help offset the very large increase in my costs over just this past week.
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I realize it was a mistake to talk about future changes to the pricing structure without actually, you know, knowing what those changes might (or might not) be. As part of that, it was a mistake to change the definition of a free group right now. I've rolled back that change; new free groups do not have limits on the number of subscribers and subgroups. Hopefully this will address Harm Selling's concern, among others. Also, this means that any groups that wish to move over but cannot afford the transfer fee can still take advantage of a free group's invite feature.
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I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
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Thanks,
Mark

On this group:
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/20178

Frances

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Re: Notice of Pricing Change

 

Protection laws from what?? From Yahoo closing a service?? From Groups.io raising fees?? We live and operate in a capitalist society.? Businesses need money to stay in business, and cutting costs is a way to save money.? I bet that yahoo has heaps of data on the whole of their yahoo groups and I bet it shows that a very large percentage of the groups are totally dead, just eating up server space for no reason.? I would wager that 90% of all of the files/photos on all of the yahoo groups have not been opened/viewed/downloaded at all in several years.? I'm on a dozen Y!Gs and they were all VERY active 15 years ago.? Lots of files being uploaded, photos shared, dozens of emails every day.? Those very same groups today have nothing new being shared and possibly about one email per month on average.
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As for your absentee owner, is the owner dead, or just not checking the emails from their old yahoo group?? If the owner is dead, you're out of luck.? If not, I suggest you search for that person on the internet.? Use their name, display name, and interests to narrow down your search.? Maybe you'll be able to find an active email address or even phone number for them.? Don't rely on the groupname-owner@ email address to reach them
If you have their old email address, try sending to new email addresses with the same username and different domains.? For example if the person was Thea Johnson and their old email address was tjohnson25@..., try tjohnson25@... or thea.johnson@....? It's a huge long-shot, but it probably won't take more than 15-30 minutes and you might get lucky.

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 3:13 PM Susan B <doggiesmail@...> wrote:

Deane
You said it! The cost is horrendous. We do need protection laws.?
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Susan B


Re: Notice of Pricing Change

 

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Uggh. I'm not sure how to broach to my neighborhood listserv that it wasn't free as we'd been told.

Tell them the truth of the matter, which is that Groups.io was a fairly small company who happen to have an existing Yahoo transfer method, so they suddenly deluged with transfer requests and LITERALLY have to run out and buy new servers to cope with all the new data and traffic. ?Yahoo refugees, and existing io customers are all effectively putting money in the hat to help grow this company faster than they were ready/had funds to do so.

I imagine they will go looking for venture capital soon, but the terabytes ?of data are being pushed from Yahoo to io right now... Like TODAY. ?Thus the 6h server maintenance downtime last night I expect...?

I don't envy the backend engineers at Groups.io - all vacation cancelled til Christmas I imagine!!



On Oct 22, 2019, at 12:05, Rob Halligan <Rob@...> wrote:

I signed up less than an hour after the price increase. Uggh. I'm not sure how to broach to my neighborhood listserv that it wasn't free as we'd been told.


Re: Moderators Unable to Approve Members and Messages

 

On Oct 22, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Ron Mura <rsvgrsio@...> wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

Sorry to be dense, but where are permissions set, if they are different from Roles? I have both moderators set to that Role.
Other than that, I don't see any place to set specific permissions in their Membership.

In the group's Privacy settings, I have the Member Directory set to "Moderators and Owners." For all other options on the Settings page, I also have "Moderators and Owners" specified, although I don't think those options have any relevance to approving/modifying members and messages.
Admin > Members
For existing Moderators:
Select "Moderators" from the "Member" dropdown menu (near the top of the page)
Then Click on the Member's or Moderator's row (not the check box to the left of their "Display Name")
-Use "Role" menu to change to: "Member", "Moderator", or "Owner"
If set to "Moderator", scroll down to:
"Moderator Permissions" section and check (as desired):
Approve Pending Messages
Edit Archives
Invite Members
Create/Delete Hashtags
Manage Subgroups
Add or Modify Integrations
Modify Group Settings
Manage Paid Subscriptions/Donations
Billing
View Member List
Approve Pending Members (also allows access to the member list)
Ban Members (also allows access to the member list)
Set Member Subscription Options (also allows access to the member list)
Set Moderator Privileges (also allows access to the member list and allows setting member subscription options)
Remove Members (also allows access to the member list)
NOTE: "Set Moderator Privileges" will allow this Moderator to change "Moderator Permissions" for all Moderator AND Owners, including promoting themselves to "Owner" and demote you to "Member" or "Moderator; or to "Delete Group"
"Notifications" section and check (as desired):
Email when there are messages needing approval.
Email when there are members needing approval.
Email when a member joins/leaves this group.
Email when group storage limits are reached.
Email when someone creates or deletes a subgroup.
Email when someone reports a message.
NOTE: Moderators can also change these for themselves.
"Owner Email" section and select one:
All Emails
Subscribers Only
None
NOTE: Moderators can also change this for themselves.
"Email Delivery" section and select one:
Individual Messages
Full Featured Digest
Daily Summary
Special Notices Only
No Email
NOTE: Members can also change this for themselves.
"Signature" section and select and write (as desired):
Use Signature For Web Posting
Use Signature For Email Posting
<compose Signature>
"Advanced Preferences" section. Use dropdown menu for further "Email Delivery" customization:
NOTE: Members can also change this for themselves.
"Posting Privileges" section and select one:
Use Group Moderation Setting
Override: not moderated
Override: moderated
Override: new user moderated
Override: not allowed to post
Override: moderate the first message of every topic this person starts
Override: moderate all messages of every topic this person starts
NOTE: Moderators with "Member Subscription Options" can also change this for everyone.
NOTE: I recommend "Use Group Moderation Setting", except for members who require permanent Moderation of some kind.
MOST IMPORTANT (to actually make these changes happen)
CLICK ON "SAVE" bottom at bottom of page.


When to make Welcome message active

 

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When you write your welcome message letting members know about your transferring them to ?and you paste it into the box in the admin section of your new group and you make it ¡°active¡± does it go out immediately or does the site send it out after it realizes the transfer is complete. We are writing one but unsure when to make it ¡°active.¡± We don¡¯t want members coming over and roaming around a forum that we aren¡¯t finished setting up the way we like it.

Is there any other message??emails to members after a transfer?

Thank you
Susan B


Re: Delivery of Yahoo Group Messages

 

Larry McDavid W6FUB wrote:
"As a result of the transfer process, you are already registered at??but you
have no password saved and cannot access some Group features."
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To the best of my knowledge, that's not actually true Larry.? A member of a group on GIO does not need to set a password, as long as they have access to the email account they are subscribed as a member with.? If a member clicks on the "View/Reply Online" link at the bottom of any message they will be able to find a link to email a link to login.? A member can do that every time.? Clicking on that link in their email will allow them to gain access to the entire site just the same as if they used a username and password.


Re: Acceptance time frame for [email protected] account #transfer

 

I applied for a transfer last week and the acceptance took 2 or 3 days. Been 2 days since approval and the site isn't transferred yet. I can imagine they are running a bit of a backlog.


Suggestion for the Members Page #members #search

 

There needs to be a way to clear the search on the Members Page so that you can get back to the full list.


Re: Moderators Unable to Approve Members and Messages

 

Ah, I don't see the whole "Moderator Permissions" section when using the Firefox browser. It's there when I log in
with Chrome.

Thank you, Duane and Michael.

Ron


Re: Acceptance time frame for [email protected] account #transfer

 

When I requested 2 transfers today, each one had a notation that acceptance could take up to a week.


Re: Moderators Unable to Approve Members and Messages

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 05:45 PM, Ron Mura wrote:
I have both moderators set to that Role.
Just below the Role box, there's a whole bunch of Moderator Permissions you can set for each moderator.? The big one is Set Moderator Privileges.? If they have that one, they can make themselves owner and/or remove you!

Duane
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Re: Moderators Unable to Approve Members and Messages

 

Thanks, Michael.

Sorry to be dense, but where are permissions set, if they are different from Roles? I have both moderators set to that Role.
Other than that, I don't see any place to set specific permissions in their Membership.

In the group's Privacy settings, I have the Member Directory set to "Moderators and Owners." For all other options on the Settings page, I also have "Moderators and Owners" specified, although I don't think those options have any relevance to approving/modifying members and messages.

Ron


Re: New changes to Group Plans

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 06:24 PM, Michael Waldrop wrote:
Can anyone explain the following:

What is the "Per-member" group plan all about and what are the fees?
Mike -- See?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/20178?for updated information on this.

Regards,
Bruce


Re: Detailed Instructions on How to Conduct a Yahoo Transfer

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 06:22 PM, Brian Theodore wrote:
Do you know how a transfer works when the transfer is setup for a subgroup? ?The easy transfer let me initiate the transfer into a subgroup, but reading the docs on subgroups it says that all members of a subgroup also needs to be a member of the parent group.
That's correct.

?Not sure how this will work with the transfer of member information.
This has recently been explained here:??/g/GroupManagersForum/message/20190

Subgroups naturally work for situations where the main group would be for all members of an organization, while a subgroup is used by the board of directors, or a committee, or some such natural subset of the parent group's membership structure.

They are not a particularly good fit for storing several unrelated groups in a single location; and when used in this manner (e.g.: in an attempt to avoid/circumvent upgrades to Premium), may cause problems with subscription management later.

See also?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Why-use-a-Subgroup?and?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Subgroups

Regards,
Bruce


Re: Moderators Unable to Approve Members and Messages

 

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Hi. What permissions have you set for them? If you are the owner, then I would suggest you go in and check what permissions you Have set. It may be that you have given them the wrong permissions, so that is why they can¡¯t see the page. Hope this helps.
Thanks.
From Michael.
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From: [email protected] on behalf of Ron Mura <rsvgrsio@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 11:11
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Moderators Unable to Approve Members and Messages
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I have a new group with two moderators. Both of them are unable to approve members and messages. They do receive notification e-mails that a member or message must be approved. However, when they click on the e-mail's link for "View Pending Member" or "View this message online," they are shown a page that says "You do not have permission to access that page." (They are logged in at the time.)

Also, on the web interface they only see one option (Activity) under Admin. (Regular users see none and moderators should see all, including Members, etc.)

Any help is appreciated.

Ron





New changes to Group Plans

 


I've read the Premium group plan fee of $110 has been doubled to $220 a year.
I also read that next year Groups.io is looking to move away from a flat rate
fee to a "per-member" group fee. I have not found anything that explains what the
"Per-member" fee is all about and how much that will be.

As many know, Yahoo made significant changes to their group plans and many
Yahoo groups are moving to Groups.io which is why the Premium Group plan doubled
in price from $110 a year to $220 a year.

? All new basic (non-premium) groups are required to be premium groups if they have,
or acquire, more than 500 members or more than 3 subgroups. (Basic groups in
existence before October 22 at 9 AM remain unlimited for now; however,
next year we
will be looking at readjusting our pricing structure and moving away from a
flat rate fee
and towards a more equitable per-member cost. We will keep you posted about

all of this as we work through the process.)

Can anyone explain the following:

What is the "Per-member" group plan all about and what are the fees?

Will, there be "Grandfathering" applied to current members or will all
members, new and current, be required to pay the Per-member fee?

When will the "Per-member" group plan go into effect?

Thanks in advance and I look forward to answers to the above
questions.

Regards,
Mike W5RKL


Detailed Instructions on How to Conduct a Yahoo Transfer

 

Do you know how a transfer works when the transfer is setup for a subgroup? ?The easy transfer let me initiate the transfer into a subgroup, but reading the docs on subgroups it says that all members of a subgroup also needs to be a member of the parent group. ?Not sure how this will work with the transfer of member information.
-Brian


Re: Clarification regarding moving a Yahoo group to a groups.io subgroup #transfer #subgroups

 

Thank you for answering my questions. This is so straightforward. Thank you!

cheers,
Jane