Thanks all,
I finally was able to contact the list owner and despite his dislike of Yahoo he made me a co-list owner and I was able to make groups.io a moderator
and have requested a files transfer. Hopefully YahooGroups does not collapse first.

ken

On 2018-01-20 21:45, markus baur wrote:

if he does have moderator rights he can "strongly motivate" the
members to migrate
create the the io group, invite everyone, then set the yahoo group to
"all moderated" and start increasing the moderation time for each post
more and more, while repeating the invitations ..
this should get a critical mass of the active posters to migrate
then you can announce a close down of the yahoo group
moral: always have two different people with owner rights in your group
servus
markus

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On 20/01/2018 Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Once downloaded, what is the mechanism for either accessing or
reinstating the data?

The .mbox content (inside the .zip file) is plain text, so you could
open it with a plain text editor such as Notepad (on Windows).

(...)

To see it in a more useful form you need a program designed for reading
email, such as Thunderbird. Thunderbird doesn't make this process easy,
it doesn't have an "import" method for .mbox files, you either need to
install an add-on or put the file in a folder under Local Folders in
Thunderbird's internal data structures.

I've done this several times; just put the mbx file in the same directory
as the other email files and Thunderbird should detect it. I don't think
you even need to rename it.

Perhaps some other email readers
make it easier.

The same system (or thereabouts) should work for any mail reader that uses
MBX files. I've seen a couple that have an "import" function; anything by
Microsoft, of course, doesn't have any means to make life easy.

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Shal & All . . .


On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 21:12:54 -0800, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>
wrote:

* SYSADMIN: Completed reboots of all machines in Phase 1 of
Meltdown/Spectre patching.

Last I heard there is no indication that there have been attacks against
web services based on these exploits, but still it is better to have
Groups.io secured against them. And our own machines as well. That said,
from what I understand these two represent a whole new class of
"information leak" exploits; so we probably haven't heard the last of
their ilk.

Most Linux distributions have rolled out their patches so if you're
using Linux as your operating system, let it update things. You can
always choose to not update applications and just let the ones
affecting the kernel update. I let Linux Mint update this time for
that reason. I typically use Windows for most PC use but dabble in
Linux using Linux Mint.

For Windows 10, the update has also been rolled out. There was a
problem with the fix for some AMD CPUs that caused it to either not
boot or reboot over and over (I forget which it was), but Microsoft
stopped updating those for a while. I believe they have it right now
and the updates will work. It's time to let it update if you've been
able to prevent it from doing so (Pro users have more influence on
holding off on updates).

It seems to me that updates for Win 7 and 8.x were not ready yet as of
a few days ago, but that may have changed by now so if you get offered
updates, I would suggest letting the system do the update if you are
concerned about potential Meltdown/Spectre security issues. Unpatched
systems have been the cause of many PC infections and help to spread
the infections. Windows 10 pretty much eliminated that on those PCs
that have it because it takes updates out of the hands of the user
since it forces the user to update. There's good and bad with this,
but for security issues, it's mostly good. Same with other updates,
too, but I've had issues early on with touchpad driver updates--they
finally have got it right though for out two older HP business-class
laptops.

I don't have any information on MAC PCs.

I don't expect older smartphones (and tablets, both iOS and Android)
to get updates for this as the manufacturers have a vested interest in
you buying new smartphones every 2-3 years, and the carriers also
profit from not updating older phones since they're the point of sale
for most smartphone purchases. Apple is more likely to update older
hardware than other companies, though.

If you don't keep sensitive information on your phone (I'm referring
to financial/banking, online purchasing with credit cards, etc.), you
have less to be concerned about than if you do. If you don't sideload
applications from "untrusted" sources you are less likely to have
issues with this on a phone/tablet. I would even suggest being very
cautious about what you download from Google Play or the App Store,
and for PCs, the Microsoft app store or anywhere you get software
from. You may want to wait a few months before downloading some new
program or app to find out if there are issues you need to be
concerned about. Eventually infected apps get rooted out, or people
report the problem and it makes the news, forcing the source of these
to remove them from their collections.

Unfortunately, the internet is not all fun like it was way back in the
1990s. It's not exactly a minefield, either, but you do have to be
careful.

Donald

The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who
speak it. --George Orwell

开云体育

I am sure the issues I am about to ask about have been dealt with before so I hope you won't mind my asking - I am seriously going to have to transfer to Group.io - I have been putting the decision off hoping that Yahoo will get their act together but it does not seem they are going to do so. I am very nervous about the change so could you reassure me that the transfer is possible given the problems with Yahoo - I would like the Database and Photos active in the new group and are the members transferred easily please? Currently on one of my groups Photos are not active - does this work with the transfer or not - I thought I saw one message on here to say it was not. Once the transfer is made does that close down the Yahoo group or is it still available and nothing has changed?

I hope you won't mind my asking - it is a big decision for me having been with Yahoo for some 16 years.

Best Wishes
Jan

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UKATC

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Tywyn-Dolgellau Reecycle

if he does have moderator rights he can "strongly motivate" the members to migrate

create the the io group, invite everyone, then set the yahoo group to "all moderated" and start increasing the moderation time for each post more and more, while repeating the invitations ..

this should get a critical mass of the active posters to migrate

then you can announce a close down of the yahoo group

moral: always have two different people with owner rights in your group

servus

markus

Am 21.01.2018 um 01:04 schrieb Donald Hellen:

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Email from my mobile connection.

Hi all,

This change log for the last week:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

* SYSADMIN: Completed reboots of all machines in Phase 1 of
Meltdown/Spectre patching.

Last I heard there is no indication that there have been attacks against web services based on these exploits, but still it is better to have Groups.io secured against them. And our own machines as well. That said, from what I understand these two represent a whole new class of "information leak" exploits; so we probably haven't heard the last of their ilk.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

CHANGE: Reformatted the calender event popups and added timezone.
INTERNAL: Began migration off using Redis as a work queue. s3server
now using new distributed nsqd system.
INTERNAL: Updated and added additional features to internal
dashboard.
INTERNAL: No longer using Redis to store LSN/Index versions for
esstreamer.
SYSADMIN: Upgraded Elasticsearch nodes to latest 5.6 version.
CHANGE: Removed 'Sincerely' from pending email reject message.
BUGFIX: Changing the non-date parts of a repeating event doesn't
result in deleting past events.
BUGFIX: Changing a repeating event after changing one instance of
the event doesn't result in the deletion of that modified instance.
CHANGE: Better error message when doing an accidental group reply
to a topic that's set to sender only replies.
SYSADMIN: Added an additional search node.
BUGFIX: The /removemember API call was crashing.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal

Shal,

Thanks for that tip about special link column. That works for me now.

Now I have to decide on putting links in Wiki or a database.

Don

That worked great!
Thanks again, Duane.

Tiffany

ken,

I have been moderating a fairly active YahooGroup of 1800 members for
the last 15 years.

I do not have permission to make groups.io a moderator.

Oops. That's a roadblock alright.

Groups.io needs moderator-level access to copy all the necessary information.

Is there a manual method where as moderator I perform the actions
necessary to move the group to groups.io?

Just as a fallback I'd suggest getting PG Offline and downloading your Y!Group's content that way.


I don't know of any path from there to getting the content into a Groups.io group, but I think the first step would be to have the content at all. That might be a suggestion for beta@, or a question for [email protected] - if you zipped up the content downloaded by PG Offline, could you pass that to Groups.io somehow and have them import that.

Shal

Thank you Shal
I know it does but now I have to figure it out
I do appreciate your steps, I will share iit with the owner and some way
with your help we will make it work
sugar

"Heaven is full of answers to prayers for which no one ever bothered to ask.
:


Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:


Bless you, Sugar Lopez

Don,

1. How come attachments from YG are not part of the transfer process?

I've wondered too. I assume it has something to do with how they are accessed at Yahoo, that Groups.io either couldn't or never figured out how to get them.

I tired making a link in the database, but the link didn't
work for me.

When you create or edit a table there is a special "link" column type. Columns of this type have a two-part entry: the URL itself and a text description.

That should work, did you use that or just a plain text column?

What do transferred links look like in a database in Groups.io?

They appear as a table with a single custom column, named "Link" of type "Link".

I'm not sure what happens if the Links area in the Y!Group had folders, my groups didn't have that many links. Perhaps the folder names become another column.

Shal

Thanks.at least I got that right


"Heaven is full of answers to prayers for which no one ever bothered to ask.
:


Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:


Bless you, Sugar Lopez

sugar,

hi, sorry when in creating a sub group under “who can create sub
group, there is a dialog box. By default it is set on subscribers.

Should that be changed to owner or owners and moderators if desired?

That setting is for primary groups, and yes you should set that whichever way makes sense for your group. I imagine most groups would want to limit subgroup creation to moderators only.

Shal

sugar,

I am a mod for a group. The owner is having difficulty creating a sub
group.

Is it possible for me to create the sub group instead?

Yes, if you have the "Manage Subgroups" permission.

If you do you will see a button for Subgroups within the Admin expander in the left margin. It is near the bottom, just above the Activity button.

That Subgroups page (not the ordinary one that members see) has the "Create Subgroup" button near the top. Below that, a list of primary group members with checkboxes for putting them into or out of subgroups.

Then place her as the owner after?

As owner of the primary group she is implicitly owner of all subgroups. So you don't have to do anything to place her there. Same for mods of the primary group also.

How would this affect the group if it does?

Astute question.

It sounds like this would be the group's first subgroup, and if so this will make a change to the primary group's web and email addresses. Fortunately the old addresses will continue to work, so there shouldn't be much disruption, but members may notice and wonder about the change.

In the Settings page for the primary group the "Group Email Address" will now have two fields for you to set the primary group's email address, one to the left of the @ sign (default "main") and one to the right of the @ sign (defaults to the primary group's name).

The field to the left of the @ sign is used to distinguish the various subgroups and the primary group from one another. The primary group and all of the subgroups will have the same name after the @ sign.

As a practical example, let's say I had a group named "MY-PTA" (there is no such group, at the moment, it is just an example). It's address for posting messages would be:

[email protected]

If I create a subgroup for the PTA board members, and name that subgroup "board" then the subgroup's posting address would be:

[email protected]

and the primary group's address would have changed to:

[email protected]

However, say I don't like the word "main" there. So, because the primary group is for all of my PTA's members, I change the primary group's name to "members". Now I have:

[email protected] - sends to all PTA members
[email protected] - sends to the board members only.

I hope that makes sense.

Shal

Ken . . .

On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 15:21:14 -0800, "Default" <ken@...>
wrote:

I do not have permission to make groups.io a moderator.

Is there a manual method where as moderator I perform the actions
necessary to move the group to groups.io?
I would rather have the groups.io moderator/member do all the work. But
I need a workaround...

If your moderator privileges will not allow you to promote a member to
moderator, you cannot move the group to IO that way. The transfer
agent acts like a member and without moderator privileges, it cannot
download everything for the transfer.

If you can post to the group, you could create an IO group then post
an invitation to the Yahoo group to join there. If the current Yahoo
group is not experiencing serious issues, like problems from a lack of
moderation, the other members may not want to move there. Some may
join the new group and stay with the old group.

If the group is a spam haven, chances are that the members have
already given up on the group and your invitation will not e noticed
except by a few.

You know the situation best, so you'll have to decide on how to
proceed. If you start from the ground up on IO and get some members to
move there with you, you can slowly build up the membership over time.
If you can contact the group owner, they may give you ownership
privileges or at least the privilege to promote others to moderator,
and that would give you what you need to use the transfer agent. You
mentioned that the person had some dispute with Yahoo groups, so they
might feel they can get revenge by letting you move the group, or
might choose to move the group himself.

Donald

The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who
speak it. --George Orwell

If you create the database first, you could include a link to it in the event description. I'm not sure if there are 'locks' in place in case two people try to add or edit at the same time though. It may not be a problem, but something you should be aware of. Maybe someone has tested that?

Duane

Nancy,

I remember being designated to approve posts in an old Yahoo group. I
discovered then if someone belonged to 2 groups and hadn’t updated
their new email in both groups the “other” group would bounce but
Yahoo considered only that they had bounced and I’d have to contact
the person to find out what was happening.

That sort of thing can't happen in Groups.io, currently, because each subscribed email address is its own account - unlike Yahoo there's no way two manage more than one subscription address from a single account.

Shal

Is there a way to link a database to a specific calendar event. I'd like for people to be able to access the database from the event invite email and not have to search through a bunch of databases to find the one associated with the event.
Is that possible?

Thanks,

Tiffany