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Motti,

I've done some testing around this and have some new info for you, ...

You didn't say, but I'm assuming that your tests are all messages sent by yourself, from the same Gmail account where you are observing the results.

2. Only happens for newly originated messages, does not happen for
replies - for sure, tested

What /does/ happen for replies? No message or just one?

3. ... why would I get 2? is one related to the setting of getting
copy of my messages and one since I am a subscriber?

No, you misunderstand. The one I called "as sent" never left your Gmail account. It is not a return from Groups.io at all.

The one "via Groups.io" is the return from Groups.io. It was sent to you since you are a subscriber, and you can see it in Gmail because you checked the setting in your Groups.io account.

You can readily see the difference if you use Show Original on such a pair. The "as sent" has a very short header, detailing the sending of the message. The "via Groups.io" has a much lengthier header, detailing its trip through Groups.io and back again.

With the box I always want copies of my own messages NOT checked

* No emails received at all!

One reason I can think of for the difference between Composed and Replied messages is that Composed messages would lack the group's tag in the Subject line as sent, but would have it upon return. Perhaps that difference in the Subject text is what prompts Gmail to make the returned copy visible in your Inbox.

You can test that theory by deleting the group tag on your next Reply.

* I would expect to only get one message since I am a subscriber

You may have. Check your Sent folder in Gmail. I have no idea why, but Gmail shows me both the "as sent" and the "via groups.io" copies of my messages in that folder. (Actually I do have an idea, it likely relates to the fact that what I think of as folders, in Gmail are actually just search filters based on tags applied to messages.)

If you don't see "via groups.io" replies in Sent, it is possible that you have your Groups.io Subscription, Advanced Preferences, set to "Following Only" plus "First Message Also". That would suppress delivery of replies back to you unless you Follow the topic, (use the link in the footer of the topic starter). Thanks to Gerald for that off-list observation.

Almost sounds to me like the setting /I always want copies of my own
messages /is not working correctly? what do you think?

It is always possible that you've run into some kind of edge case. All I can tell you is that Gmail and Groups.io are working together sensibly for me and have been for years.

I have Conversation mode turned off in Gmail, "I always want copies of my own messages" checked in my Groups.io account Preferences, and both "Individual Messages" and "All Emails" selected in my group Subscriptions. With the result that I see exactly one copy (via Groups.io) of both Composed and Replied messages in my Gmail Inbox (and in my Thunderbird copy of the Inbox via IMAP).

Shal


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