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Re: G11 SGP auto flip¡­.not

 

Graeme has some good input here

It's usually small things that are right on the edge

Make sure your Gemini and computer have the same time/date/location coordinates (computer = software settings)

Set your flip time well past the meridian - every degree is 15 minutes, so maybe 15-20 minutes-ish?

Make sure your western goto is well ahead in time of the flip time

Everything works if you are exact in all those settings, but it's never really quite that, so make sure you have plenty of 'padding time'


Brian?


On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 4:03 PM <graeme@...> wrote:
It usually means that the mount isn't in the "window" for a flip to occur. This might be because the limits/goto limit aren't correct, or possibly if the CWD position or time/date are incorrect, or if you're trying to flip too early (the setting in SGP as to how many minutes past the meridian to try the flip - eg if this is negative).?

You also have to make sure you have performed a sync before trying a flip - this is unlikely as you're using SGP, and it does this as part of the centering routines.

Graeme



On Sat, 23 Apr 2022, 14:19 Andrew Troia, <twflyer@...> wrote:
Haha.? Thanks Brian.? Yeah, I have watched those videos and will watch them again -? I¡¯ll basically start from the beginning.? ?Like I said, Gemini/Losmandy/SGP are all new to me.

I thought that log-file sentence about the starting and ending pier side being the same might have been an obvious ¡°tell¡± to what my failure may have been¡­.? I¡¯m guessing I somehow set the Gemini limits to be on the same side of pier, somehow¡­¡­.? ? ?

Andy

-Everybody wants to be the captain, until there¡¯s captain stuff to do.?

> On Apr 22, 2022, at 11:36, Brian Valente <brian@...> wrote:
> ?Hi Andy
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> That's not much to go on but check out these videos on exactly this topic:
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> Thanks
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> Brian
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> Brian Valente
> Losmandy Astronomical
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> Losmandy.com
> Tutorials and vids at
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrew Troia
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 12:24 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Gemini_users_io] G11 SGP auto flip¡­.not
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> I¡¯m a new G11 user.? I am, in fact, still? relatively new to Astro in general.? ?I just set up my G11 per the Losmandy videos, taking (I thought) great care to set safety limits and the flip allowable range per Brian¡¯s suggestion.? ?
> The weather finally cooperated and I was imaging ngc4565 with the rig a couple of nights ago.? Halfway through the session the galaxy crossed the meridian and as I sat freezing watching the SGP screen I got all the indications a flip was requested, including PlateSolve2 doing its thing.? But no Flip¡­..? I neglected to have the small Telescope parameters window up so didn¡¯t actually see a ¡°countdown¡± to flip.? However, I checked the logs and the one line that grabbed my attention was:
>
> ¡°ASCOM Telescope: Failed to flip because starting pier side and ending pier side are the same!¡±
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> So what do I have set wrong¡­?
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> Andy
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> -Everybody wants to be the captain, until there¡¯s captain stuff to do.?
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Re: G11 SGP auto flip¡­.not

 

It usually means that the mount isn't in the "window" for a flip to occur. This might be because the limits/goto limit aren't correct, or possibly if the CWD position or time/date are incorrect, or if you're trying to flip too early (the setting in SGP as to how many minutes past the meridian to try the flip - eg if this is negative).?

You also have to make sure you have performed a sync before trying a flip - this is unlikely as you're using SGP, and it does this as part of the centering routines.

Graeme



On Sat, 23 Apr 2022, 14:19 Andrew Troia, <twflyer@...> wrote:
Haha.? Thanks Brian.? Yeah, I have watched those videos and will watch them again -? I¡¯ll basically start from the beginning.? ?Like I said, Gemini/Losmandy/SGP are all new to me.

I thought that log-file sentence about the starting and ending pier side being the same might have been an obvious ¡°tell¡± to what my failure may have been¡­.? I¡¯m guessing I somehow set the Gemini limits to be on the same side of pier, somehow¡­¡­.? ? ?

Andy

-Everybody wants to be the captain, until there¡¯s captain stuff to do.?

> On Apr 22, 2022, at 11:36, Brian Valente <brian@...> wrote:
> ?Hi Andy
>
> That's not much to go on but check out these videos on exactly this topic:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Brian
>
> Brian Valente
> Losmandy Astronomical
>
> Losmandy.com
> Tutorials and vids at
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrew Troia
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 12:24 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Gemini_users_io] G11 SGP auto flip¡­.not
>
> ³Ò¡¯»å²¹²â,
>
> I¡¯m a new G11 user.? I am, in fact, still? relatively new to Astro in general.? ?I just set up my G11 per the Losmandy videos, taking (I thought) great care to set safety limits and the flip allowable range per Brian¡¯s suggestion.? ?
> The weather finally cooperated and I was imaging ngc4565 with the rig a couple of nights ago.? Halfway through the session the galaxy crossed the meridian and as I sat freezing watching the SGP screen I got all the indications a flip was requested, including PlateSolve2 doing its thing.? But no Flip¡­..? I neglected to have the small Telescope parameters window up so didn¡¯t actually see a ¡°countdown¡± to flip.? However, I checked the logs and the one line that grabbed my attention was:
>
> ¡°ASCOM Telescope: Failed to flip because starting pier side and ending pier side are the same!¡±
>
> So what do I have set wrong¡­?
>
> Andy
>
> -Everybody wants to be the captain, until there¡¯s captain stuff to do.?
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Re: G11 SGP auto flip¡­.not

 

?Haha. Thanks Brian. Yeah, I have watched those videos and will watch them again - I¡¯ll basically start from the beginning. Like I said, Gemini/Losmandy/SGP are all new to me.

I thought that log-file sentence about the starting and ending pier side being the same might have been an obvious ¡°tell¡± to what my failure may have been¡­. I¡¯m guessing I somehow set the Gemini limits to be on the same side of pier, somehow¡­¡­.

Andy

-Everybody wants to be the captain, until there¡¯s captain stuff to do.

On Apr 22, 2022, at 11:36, Brian Valente <brian@...> wrote:
?Hi Andy

That's not much to go on but check out these videos on exactly this topic:






Thanks

Brian

Brian Valente
Losmandy Astronomical

Losmandy.com
Tutorials and vids at youtube.com/losmandy

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrew Troia
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 12:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Gemini_users_io] G11 SGP auto flip¡­.not

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I¡¯m a new G11 user. I am, in fact, still relatively new to Astro in general. I just set up my G11 per the Losmandy videos, taking (I thought) great care to set safety limits and the flip allowable range per Brian¡¯s suggestion.
The weather finally cooperated and I was imaging ngc4565 with the rig a couple of nights ago. Halfway through the session the galaxy crossed the meridian and as I sat freezing watching the SGP screen I got all the indications a flip was requested, including PlateSolve2 doing its thing. But no Flip¡­.. I neglected to have the small Telescope parameters window up so didn¡¯t actually see a ¡°countdown¡± to flip. However, I checked the logs and the one line that grabbed my attention was:

¡°ASCOM Telescope: Failed to flip because starting pier side and ending pier side are the same!¡±

So what do I have set wrong¡­?

Andy

-Everybody wants to be the captain, until there¡¯s captain stuff to do.









Re: G11 SGP auto flip¡­.not

Brian Valente
 

Hi Andy

That's not much to go on but check out these videos on exactly this topic:






Thanks

Brian

Brian Valente
Losmandy Astronomical

Losmandy.com
Tutorials and vids at youtube.com/losmandy

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrew Troia
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 12:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Gemini_users_io] G11 SGP auto flip¡­.not

³Ò¡¯»å²¹²â,

I¡¯m a new G11 user. I am, in fact, still relatively new to Astro in general. I just set up my G11 per the Losmandy videos, taking (I thought) great care to set safety limits and the flip allowable range per Brian¡¯s suggestion.
The weather finally cooperated and I was imaging ngc4565 with the rig a couple of nights ago. Halfway through the session the galaxy crossed the meridian and as I sat freezing watching the SGP screen I got all the indications a flip was requested, including PlateSolve2 doing its thing. But no Flip¡­.. I neglected to have the small Telescope parameters window up so didn¡¯t actually see a ¡°countdown¡± to flip. However, I checked the logs and the one line that grabbed my attention was:

¡°ASCOM Telescope: Failed to flip because starting pier side and ending pier side are the same!¡±

So what do I have set wrong¡­?

Andy

-Everybody wants to be the captain, until there¡¯s captain stuff to do.


G11 SGP auto flip¡­.not

 

³Ò¡¯»å²¹²â,

I¡¯m a new G11 user. I am, in fact, still relatively new to Astro in general. I just set up my G11 per the Losmandy videos, taking (I thought) great care to set safety limits and the flip allowable range per Brian¡¯s suggestion.
The weather finally cooperated and I was imaging ngc4565 with the rig a couple of nights ago. Halfway through the session the galaxy crossed the meridian and as I sat freezing watching the SGP screen I got all the indications a flip was requested, including PlateSolve2 doing its thing. But no Flip¡­.. I neglected to have the small Telescope parameters window up so didn¡¯t actually see a ¡°countdown¡± to flip. However, I checked the logs and the one line that grabbed my attention was:

¡°ASCOM Telescope: Failed to flip because starting pier side and ending pier side are the same!¡±

So what do I have set wrong¡­?

Andy

-Everybody wants to be the captain, until there¡¯s captain stuff to do.


Re: Gremlin in Gemini I L4 hand controller

 

Thank you, Brendan and Brian.? I noticed Amazon's prices for the Techspray were 40% less than Grainger.? Yikes.? I'll get a smaller container of the brush-on stuff.? Thanks again for the recommendations.


Re: Gremlin in Gemini I L4 hand controller

Brian Valente
 

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This isn¡¯t an official Losmandy recommendation but I¡¯ve used this with good results and it¡¯s fairly inexpensive

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Brian

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Brian Valente

Losmandy Astronomical

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Losmandy.com

Tutorials and vids at

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of macdonjh via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2022 12:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Gemini_users_io] Gremlin in Gemini I L4 hand controller

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New cable is here and Gemini seems happier.? That Conformal is expensive stuff, at least I have two Gemini units to treat with it.? Is there any difference between the Techspray, the MG Chemicals and CRC offerings?? Is there any reason to choose the silicone formula over the acrylic for our application?


Re: What size is the cap end screw that holds my Dec motor in the housing

Derek C Breit
 

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And Snap On et al will never allow it as it is better for every customer to have to buy two sets of tools..

Derek

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brendan Smith
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2022 5:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Gemini_users_io] What size is the cap end screw that holds my Dec motor in the housing

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We will never drop metric units as it¡¯s the basis of SI units International measuring standards. ?


It¡¯s a real pity sticking with older imperial. ?What was worse was the British version of imperial it was so confusing. ?


So much easier with metric. ?But fine screws, threads is where it kinda doesn¡¯t work as well as imperial. ?When we changed to metric 1/2¡± bolt became a 12.7mm haha. Finally we are fully metric world wide except ICAO ¡­aka Aircraft altitude feet/knots etc?

I went from French Mirage metric to F18 imperial. ?It was a step back in tools. ?A real PITA.?


I asked a Lorel rep when will USA go metric¡­.he said never! ? He was right. !
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Re: What size is the cap end screw that holds my Dec motor in the housing

 

We will never drop metric units as it¡¯s the basis of SI units International measuring standards. ?


It¡¯s a real pity sticking with older imperial. ?What was worse was the British version of imperial it was so confusing. ?


So much easier with metric. ?But fine screws, threads is where it kinda doesn¡¯t work as well as imperial. ?When we changed to metric 1/2¡± bolt became a 12.7mm haha. Finally we are fully metric world wide except ICAO ¡­aka Aircraft altitude feet/knots etc?

I went from French Mirage metric to F18 imperial. ?It was a step back in tools. ?A real PITA.?


I asked a Lorel rep when will USA go metric¡­.he said never! ? He was right. !
--
Brendan


Re: Gremlin in Gemini I L4 hand controller

 

Oh sorry I use cheap stuff ! ?What ever onsale.?
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Brendan


Re: Gremlin in Gemini I L4 hand controller

 

Just use the Acrylic sprays. ?Silicon conformal is too expensive for non pro stuff aka this is for avionics of naval electronics. ?

Cap any sockets snd plugs before use. Indeed I wouldn¡¯t spray ICs that are socketed like CPU/Pic42s/EPROM ETC. ?These need good contact surfaces. You don¡¯t need a thick coating. ?Indeed usually spray into cap and brush it on as necessary.?


Clean up with acetone?

cheers, well done?
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Brendan


Re: Gremlin in Gemini I L4 hand controller

 

New cable is here and Gemini seems happier.? That Conformal is expensive stuff, at least I have two Gemini units to treat with it.? Is there any difference between the Techspray, the MG Chemicals and CRC offerings?? Is there any reason to choose the silicone formula over the acrylic for our application?


Re: What size is the cap end screw that holds my Dec motor in the housing

 

There¡¯s a bag of assorted screws in the Losmandy store that should have what you need:


just in case you don¡¯t live in a metric country ;-)

Jonathan


Re: cannot control Gemini from computer

 

Sorry I forgot to provide as this is a great wealth of self help that may assist you.? Site is a little clunky to use but you get the gist.

cheers
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Brendan


Re: cannot control Gemini from computer

 

Ok we are lacking information.??? What version Gemini 1 or 2 or mini???

What connection are you trying LAN/RS232 to USB or USB?

If using an RS232 to USB what version converter as some chipsets are temperamental.? Buy "Gemini desktop App" I assume you mean Gemini ASCOM Driver?? Sorry but we need more information to progress.?? Glad to help but as said...more info.

Oh please use a signature name as it makes it more personnel than addressing or replying to user xyz.? Just forum etiquette.

Cheers
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Brendan


Re: What size is the cap end screw that holds my Dec motor in the housing

Derek C Breit
 

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Now sit back watch the flame war!

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When is the rest of the world gonna drop the metric system??

:-))

Derek

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brendan Smith
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2022 7:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Gemini_users_io] What size is the cap end screw that holds my Dec motor in the housing

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Hi Bob

(or cap head) screw.?? Measured from under head to end of thread.?? Usually stainless steel is best.? I'm not endorsing this place to buy just to show you.?? If in USA...easily available. ? For metric nations....a little harder to source.? So, when is USA going metric? ? hahahaha....never! ? Now sit back watch the flame war!

I guess I should make a spreadsheet on this stuff for users in the file section.?? The old forums had a database on this stuff.?? I buy mine from fleabay but the .

Cheers
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Brendan

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Virus-free.


Re: What size is the cap end screw that holds my Dec motor in the housing

 

Well blow me down with a feather...there is a database in this forum for such things.?? Unpopulated ...so maybe I should volunteer to do it.

They say never volunteer!
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Brendan


Re: What size is the cap end screw that holds my Dec motor in the housing

 

Hi Bob

(or cap head) screw.?? Measured from under head to end of thread.?? Usually stainless steel is best.? I'm not endorsing this place to buy just to show you.?? If in USA...easily available. ? For metric nations....a little harder to source.? So, when is USA going metric? ? hahahaha....never! ? Now sit back watch the flame war!

I guess I should make a spreadsheet on this stuff for users in the file section.?? The old forums had a database on this stuff.?? I buy mine from fleabay but the .

Cheers
--
Brendan


cannot control Gemini from computer

 

My computer will not send commands to my Gemini Losmundy mount to move the telescope, when using Gemini desk top App and NINA
But when i use NINA on my la[top it will send information to my Gemini like location.?
would appreciate any help.
thanks


What size is the cap end screw that holds my Dec motor in the housing

 

Hi all,?

Some how I lost a screw that holds my Dec motor in place in the housing/gearbox.

I need to get a replacement, but don't know what size I need.?

Thnks.?