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Announcement: Open Customer Beta for Level 6 firmware starts Feb 1


Brian Valente
 

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Hi everyone

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We are pleased to announce the next beta, available?to all Gemini 2 customers starting February 1st

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Please read this announcement in its entirely: it is a beta, so you should be aware of the benefits and requirements.

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Questions/comments are welcome

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A PDF version of this annoucnement (to preserve formatting) is available here:?

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Gemini 2 Level 6 Open Customer Beta, 2023

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Losmandy is pleased to announce open customer beta for the upcoming Level 6 firmware for the Gemini 2 astronomical computer.

The Lever 6 Beta is open to all Gemini 2 owners starting Feb 1, 2023

The beta will be available through a Losmandy online group via groups.io

The beta will include the software updates, instructions for how to perform the updates, and a user forum for feedback, reporting bugs, etc.

Please note that all software and support for the beta period will be through the online group, so you should feel comfortable accessing and posting to online groups

Beta Test Disclaimer

Although many of us have been using Level 6 for regular imaging for months now, it is still considered test software and may have unexpected behavior or bugs. By installing Level 6 you are accepting this possibility. We hope you will report any unexpected behaviors or bugs to the beta forum. If you are doing important imaging work or cannot risk possible downtime, we recommend you wait until Level 6 is released.

Components of Level 6

The New Level 6 is the most significant firmware update since the introduction of the Gemini 2.

This update includes a number of new firmware and software updates, including:

-????????? Gemini firmware

-????????? Hand controller firmware

-????????? Servo firmware**

-????????? Gemini Telescope.net ASCOM/virtual hand controller software (developed and maintained by Paul Kanevsky and supported by Losmandy)

-????????? Indi driver (Indi is not directly supported by Losmandy, but Losmandy owner

Jamie Amendolagine has done a supe job updating the driver to be compatible with Level 6)

**Special note regarding Servo firmware update

Updating the servo controllers is required to use Level 6. For the open customer beta, programming them requires a one-time update to the chip code that is different than our normal firmware update procedures: You will need to acquire and use an inexpensive third party chip programmer tool (called a ¡®pic programmer¡¯) to program the servo chipsAs a little background, in order to achieve some of the Level 6 features, we took an unprecedented step to rewrite the servo chip firmware. These chips control the servo motors. In order to achieve the 4x increase in resolution, we had to look at all parts of the Gemini including the servos. This is a necessary and substantial improvement, but does come at the cost of an additional upgrade procedure that is not as simple as running a firmware updater.

When Level 6 is released, we will have additional options available to make this a little easier. For the current open beta, it will require additional steps and some added complexity. For perspective, in our beta 1 program, all the customers who used this approach successfully updated the servo firmware on their own.

New Features, Enhancements, and Fixes

  • New 4x high resolution mode, enhances tracking resolution to 0.14¡± precision
  • New Horizons integration for accurate GoTo and tracking of planets, solar, lunar, comets, and other NEOs
  • New variable MoveAxis rate for things like continuous satellite tracking and imaging (e.g., Sky Track)
  • Gemini Telescope.net) New terminal mode for typing commands directly to the Gemini (auto calculates and appends command checksum)
  • Enhanced Lunar and Solar tracking
  • New meridian Flip Points for easier meridian flip configurations
  • Improved DHCP support (good for travel routers)
  • New troubleshooting log generation (collects and zips all relevant logs)
  • New dual system control: Control 2? Gemini units from one computer
  • Syncing date/time with computer supports UTC
  • Option to use Hour Angle for goto (Gemini Telescope.net)
  • Enhanced serial command set
  • Bug fixes and small enhancements

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Known issues

  • Periodic Error Correction is not currently confirmed to function correctly
  • GEMPro is not yet available for testing
  • In certain circumstances issuing a park command may not return the mount to the correct position. An update has been released but it has not been fully tested.

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FAQ

Which Geminis does L6 work with?

Level6 is backwards compatible with any Gemini 2, including Gemini 2 mini and the original Gemini 2 ¡°tall boy¡±. It is not compatible with the Gemini 1.

Looks like there many things to update: which can I do myself?

For the open customer beta you can update everything yourself.

-????????? Servo firmware (requires a pic programmer)

-????????? Gemini firmware

-????????? Hand controller

-????????? Gemini Telescope.net/Indi

Just as a warning: it¡¯s important you feel comfortable you can follow the directions and purchase the necessary equipment to update your servo firmware. If you follow the directions chances are extremely good you will be fine. However, there¡¯s a possibility if you encounter an error (e.g., power outage during update, bad cables, etc.) you can brick your Gemini 2. If that¡¯s the case, we can revive it but you will need to send it in.

Can I send in my Gemini 2 for the servo firmware update?

Right now for the open customer beta, we aren¡¯t yet able to offer this service. Your options will be to do it yourself (we provide detailed instructions) or possibly ask for help from the user community. Eventually we will offer a service to send in your Gemini 2 for the servo update, but not right now.

I want to try out the new software. I want to do the updates and then go to a dark site for a few days of imaging. Is this a good idea?

The Level 6 beta is still considered test software, and it¡¯s supported as test software. In other words, there may be bugs and finding/resolving issue may take time. If you go to a dark site with hopes of imaging for a couple days and it turns out you have an issue related to the beta, you will probably not be happy. We don¡¯t recommend this kind of use.

Which should I use, Gemini Telescope.net ASCOM driver or Indi?

For the test, we recommend using Gemini Telescope.net as it is directly supported and a few features are unique to this software (mount terminal, Horizons, etc.) Indi is community developed and supported, and Losmandy owner Jamie Amendolagine has done a great job in updating the Indi driver to be L6 compatible. The Indi driver should work fine. The ASCOM driver includes unique advanced features such as the mount terminal and Horizons feature.

When will Losmandy release Level 6 as the current firmware?

We plan on switching to Level 6 as soon as the Open Beta is completed and we are satisfied the software is ready for prime time.

How long with the Open Beta last?

As long as it takes to fully test the software and resolve all critical and important bugs so we can release Level 6. Some of this will depend on how the testing progresses, what issues are reported, the nature of the fixes, and how quick we are able to address them.

Do you have plans to make the servo update easier?

Yes. We expect to have a more packaged solution available for customers to update the servo on your own, and to have an option to send it to the factory for the update.?

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Thanks

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Brian

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Brian Valente

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The servo reprogramming is through a regular PIC ISP (in-system programming) connector, right?


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Michael A. Covington, Ph.D.
Consultant, Covington Innovations, Athens, Georgia, USA


 
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Yes (more or less), although the connectors in the Gemini 2 are narrower.?
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Here's an excerpt from the hardware programming requirements.?
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At the very end of this message is a link to the programming instructions, which should give people an idea of what it takes to update the servo firmware
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L6 Beta requires an update to the servo chips firmware. If you are comfortable with doing it yourself (or feel you can follow the instructions below) you will need a few things:

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1.???? You will need a Pic Programmer and a way to attach the programmer to the Gemini servo interface. I've found these two things will fit the bill:

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The PicKit3 is affordable and does a great job.

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The jumper wire ribbon cables are for adapting the larger sized pic programmer cable to the smaller Gemini 2 servo interface (this is explained in the guide below)

(note: we are working on an improved solution for adapting the different spacing between the programmer and Gemini 2 but it's not yet available)

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2.???? You will need MPLabs IPE software to use the Pic Programmer above. We found version 4.15 of mplabs IPE works best

Here's a link to download this version, just in case you can't easily find it.

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How to program the servo chips:

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On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 10:20 AM Michael A. Covington <astro@...> wrote:
The servo reprogramming is through a regular PIC ISP (in-system
programming) connector, right?


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Consultant, Covington Innovations, Athens, Georgia, USA









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On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 11:41 AM, Brian Valente wrote:
You will need MPLabs IDE software to use the Pic Programmer above. We found version 4.15 of mplabs IDE works best
Brian - in the PDF version it says you need the MP Labs IPE and not the IDE version but above you said the IDE version is needed - can the team clarify that?

Great to see the beat opening soon.

Thanks,
Ken


 

Sorry Ken

you can use either, but you only need the IPE. The "D" in IDE is the development environment, which isn't needed for just programming the chip. I'll fix that

On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 1:19 PM Oberon510 <ken@...> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 11:41 AM, Brian Valente wrote:
You will need MPLabs IDE software to use the Pic Programmer above. We found version 4.15 of mplabs IDE works best
Brian - in the PDF version it says you need the MP Labs IPE and not the IDE version but above you said the IDE version is needed - can the team clarify that?

Great to see the beat opening soon.

Thanks,
Ken



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On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 01:30 PM, Brian Valente wrote:
you can use either, but you only need the IPE. The "D" in IDE is the development environment, which isn't needed for just programming the chip. I'll fix that
OK - saw that the installer prompts for IDE and IPE so I deselected the IDE during install. All good!


 

Excellent stuff, many thanks to all those involved...they know who they are...all in the background doing great work mostly unknown to many.

Ummm one thing some early Gemini 2s didn't have 2.0mm pitch headers fitted, just blank plated holes on the PCB.?? Users can buy these headers from or or indeed many other places.?? Its? called "2mm pitch SIL female PCB header".?? Need to be soldered in to the PCB.?? Since the holes are "thru PCB plated" soldering is easy.?? Just use some flux obviously solder from the bottom pins.?? Clean your solder first!

Once again many thanks for all the work and information


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Thanks Bren

Yes we're aware some of the earliest units have that. We'll probably handle them on a case by case basis.?

Not sure how many with this design there are out there


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On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 6:12 PM Brendan <brenatlilydale@...> wrote:
Excellent stuff, many thanks to all those involved...they know who they are...all in the background doing great work mostly unknown to many.

Ummm one thing some early Gemini 2s didn't have 2.0mm pitch headers fitted, just blank plated holes on the PCB.?? Users can buy these headers from or or indeed many other places.?? Its? called "2mm pitch SIL female PCB header".?? Need to be soldered in to the PCB.?? Since the holes are "thru PCB plated" soldering is easy.?? Just use some flux obviously solder from the bottom pins.?? Clean your solder first!

Once again many thanks for all the work and information


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I was thinking of getting some 4Gb MicroSD cards for the beta work on the Gemini2 and HC. Is that size OK for the beta and eventual production versions?

I just want to order them as the timeline for beta and Comet 2022 E3 are tight.

Thanks,
Ken


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Hi Ken

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That¡¯s more than enough space. Why are you getting new SD cards?

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Brian

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Oberon510
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 4:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Gemini-II_io] Announcement: Open Customer Beta for Level 6 firmware starts Feb 1

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I was thinking of getting some 4Gb MicroSD cards for the beta work on the Gemini2 and HC. Is that size OK for the beta and eventual production versions?

I just want to order them as the timeline for beta and Comet 2022 E3 are tight.

Thanks,
Ken


 

Brian I will be attending the WSP in the Keys with my 811 and 11. I would love to get better tracking and be able to brag about the update. I leave on the 11th of February so I believe I have plenty of time to do the work.

Neal Kleinman
Board Member Southern Cross Astronomical Society


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On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 10:34 AM, Neal Kleinman wrote:
I would love to get better tracking and be able to brag about the update
I personally found the differences in tracking/guiding to be modest at best.? I never did see anyone in the beta testing show data supporting improved performance - it may exist, it just wasn't shared or I missed it (that is, controlled testing changing only firmware keeping all other variables constant as much as possible).? I'm guilty of not acquiring the data myself, but even if even improvements exist in a statistical sense, I don't think they are of a magnitude that I would gush over.? Hopefully the wider testing base will produce some data.? There are other benefits to the upgrade though that make it worthwhile for some (I'm looking forward to GEMPro).

Keith


 

I see the servo frimware RA 3 DEC 3 file may be in the MPLAB download based on the instructions. Is this correct? Also, how do we acquire the HC 1.5 April 11 2022 and Gem2 firmware L6 May 16 2022 files?

Thanks
Dale


 

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Look in the GeminiL6Beta group files section:

/g/GeminiL6Beta/files/LATEST%20VERSIONS

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Servo code is: Gemini_New.X.production.hex

HC FW code is gemhc.zip which was last updated on 12 Dec ¡¯22 (file timestamp 30 Nov ¡¯22 21:17)

G2 FW code is NewGem.zip which was last updated on 26 Jan ¡¯22 (file timestamp is 26 Jan ¡¯23 10:30)

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David

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of astro-smart2016
Sent: 28 January 2023 17:03
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Gemini-II_io] Announcement: Open Customer Beta for Level 6 firmware starts Feb 1

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I see the servo frimware RA 3 DEC 3 file may be in the MPLAB download based on the instructions. Is this correct? Also, how do we acquire the HC 1.5 April 11 2022 and Gem2 firmware L6 May 16 2022 files?

Thanks
Dale


 

Dale and all,

We're jumping the gun a little bit here. The beta group with all the files and documentation will be open for business on Feb 1. Until then, the purpose of providing the document was to demonstrate the update process, not to give people a head start. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

We still need to review all the documentation and procedures to see what needs updating from the initial beta.?



On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 9:03 AM astro-smart2016 <astro-smart2016@...> wrote:
I see the servo frimware RA 3 DEC 3 file may be in the MPLAB download based on the instructions. Is this correct? Also, how do we acquire the HC 1.5 April 11 2022 and Gem2 firmware L6 May 16 2022 files?

Thanks
Dale



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Jim Waters
 

Brian - Will there be a YouTube video too?

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We already have a youtube video on how to do the updates.

The forum (when it opens) has a lot of other content describing how to set things up

I hope to make additional ones including based on questions and other requests.?


On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 11:48 AM Jim Waters <jimwaters@...> wrote:
Brian - Will there be a YouTube video too?

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On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 05:37 PM, Brian Valente wrote:
Why are you getting new SD cards?
Brian,

Another long story - I noticed some of the videos on my current card wouldn't play via the web interface so I compared them to ones in combined.zip and they were different/corrupted/cantankerous and unplayable on my laptop so to be safe I was going to put new formatted cards in for peace of mind. I ended up ordering some 8Gb SanDisk Industrial ones so they should be OK - will install the current firmware on them and then use the upgrade process that comes next week.

Ken


 

sandisk is a solid safe choice


On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 12:53 PM Oberon510 <ken@...> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 05:37 PM, Brian Valente wrote:
Why are you getting new SD cards?
Brian,

Another long story - I noticed some of the videos on my current card wouldn't play via the web interface so I compared them to ones in combined.zip and they were different/corrupted/cantankerous and unplayable on my laptop so to be safe I was going to put new formatted cards in for peace of mind. I ended up ordering some 8Gb SanDisk Industrial ones so they should be OK - will install the current firmware on them and then use the upgrade process that comes next week.

Ken



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YMMV, but I wouldn't characterize the improvement as merely "modest at best". Of course, it really depends on the characteristics of your entire system.

I had never been in the .3 to .5 arc-sec RMS guiding range for more than a small window of any night's observing. My best observing was usually more in the .7 to .9 (around one px RMS) range for a good night. Now, unless wind gusts or clouds mess with my observing, I run .3 to .7 arc-sec RMS consistently. So, I would characterize my improvement as 50% reduced RMS guide error.

I have really not changed the rig configuration itself during the last year. I don't need this level of guiding accuracy now, but it is nice to know that I have room to guide below 1 px even if I get a bigger scope (as I'm looking for a good used one for a good price).

I keep all my guide logs and could do a before/after statistical analysis of the guiding cross-correlated to the weather (from my weather station data recorded in my .fits files) to prove these impressions, but that would likely be more effort than it is worth.?

Even if the guiding improvement was merely modest, for me the game changer is the variable rate slewing for satellite tracking. That alone is worth the change.

BTW - I've still got a few PIC programmer cables available (as shown here:?/g/GeminiL6Beta/message/283)??

Greg