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Re: Flax in Bread (obscenely long)
Brian Reeves
--- Cliff Beckwith <spinner@...> wrote:
Heat kills Omega 3. We are warned not to cook with FlaxseedI don't know if this will bring up answers or more questions. I am a cynic at heart so I don't believe everything I read. The flax council of Canada has a web site as you no doubt know. They have a a list of PDF files on flax nutrition (aimed at health professionals, etc.) at this address: One file in particular caught my eye, called "Flaxseed Storage and Baking Stability." It is at In this file they say (in part): Baking effects: ALA in whole and milled flaxseed also appears to be stable to heat equal or greater than the temperatures involved in baking batters and doughs such as muffins and yeast bread. Thermal stability was shown in 1992 by the absence of significant changes in peroxide values and fatty acid composition when both forms of flaxseed were heated for 60 minutes at either 100C (212F) or 350C (662F). Furthermore, gas liquid chromatography showed no signs of new trans isomers of ALA or of cyclic fatty acid formation in samples subjected to these degrees of heat 5 . In a follow-up study the proportion of ALA in the fat of a muffin mix, where 28.5% of the formula was milled flaxseed, was virtually unchanged after baking at 178C (350F) for 2h (45.1% ALA before:45.0% after). This stability was observed even though oxygen consumption of the flaxseed muffin mix was considerably greater than that of the control muffin mix 6 . A subsequent study confirmed the stability of ALA in baked muffins containing the same amount of milled flaxseed and noted that thiobarbituric acid values, as estimates of ALA oxidation were also unaffected by baking 9 ." "which On reflection, the baking stability of ALA should not be surprising considering that the internal temperature of a muffin approaching doneness would not be expected to exceed the gelatinization temperature of starch. Wheat flour in the presence of sugar, or honey in this instance, would gelatinize around 95C (203F), much lower than the temperature of hot air in the oven from which heat is transferred to the baking product. A further margin of safety for the ALA-conscious consumer is the fact that muffins are usually baked for only 20-25 min. at 204-208C (400-425F) in contrast to some experimental conditions 4 . Elsewhere in the article (sorry for the poor cut and paste): " Flaxseed, either whole or coarsely ground, appears stable to long-term storage at room temperature. Even after 308 days at 22C (72F) there was essentially no change in peroxide value as a measure of oxidation by-products or in the percentage of ALA in fat extracted from the stored flaxseed samples 5 . This demonstration of oxidative stability in common storage was later confirmed by direct measurement of oxygen consumption. One gram samples of whole flaxseed, milled flaxseed and extracted flax oil were held in individual sealed glass tubes for 280 days at room temperature with 12h alternating dark/light cycles. All three preparations showed little change in headspace oxygen during this time although the flax oil sample was more variable. The fatty acid composition of all three samples remained unchanged, suggesting that flaxseed ALA was stable to both heat and light 6 . These stability results with small samples have been corroborated by studies on l kg lots of milled flaxseed which were stored in closed packages at 23C for 128 days. The samples were examined initially and at approximately thirty-day intervals. The packages were triple-layer paper bags with plastic liners, much like those used in the 60 lb. bags normally supplied to commercial bakers. Sensory tests by a trained panel showed no difference in the aroma intensity of water slurries of fresh and stored samples at any of the four storage intervals. Changes in chemical indices of oxidation (peroxide values, free fatty acids and volatile compounds) were negligible 7 . As further evidence of flaxseeds storage stability, 36 consumers could not tell the difference between the taste of yeast breads baked with the either fresh or stored milled flaxseed included as 11% of flour weight in the recipe 8 ." At the end of this PDF file are 17 references, the vast majority of which are from the mid-90's. One reference dates from 1982. This PDF file was written in 1999; it's possible more current information is available. I don't pretend to be a chemist or a doctor or anything else. It does seem to me that there IS a lot of research; and like any research some of it has conflicting conclusions or comes from sources that may or not be questionable. It is very possible that there is something in flax oil that is NOT being measured by their tests that changes when it heats it, an elusive ingredient that hasn't been measured or perhaps an ingredient that the researchers did not think was important that really is and should have been measured. I don't know, I'm not a researcher. But they have gone to great lengths to quantify the changes that do or do not occur in various situations. This post is but an excerpt, read the article for the whole gist and look up their reverences. It seems the Flax Council is at least trying to quantify their claims (they of course have a financial interest in selling and promoting flax consumption) and by providing articles and references such as these they are far ahead of the majority of web sites that make claims of flax oil curing something or another. I have lost count of how many web sites say thing like "flax oil will reduce your risk of heart disease" or something like that but give no evidence, links, or research to support their claim. Check em out: To get to the articles I refer to above, follow the 'nutrition' links. To see research that the flax council supports, click on 'research'. It's nice to know who's paying for a research study or report. Knowledge is power! Brian ===== All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegs awound? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. |
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the cancer industry
Brian Reeves
"In his book, "The Cancer Answer", Al carter says that, directly
or indirectly, there are more people making a living on cancer than there are people who have it. The new toll free number for Al Carter's book, and an excellent video tape on Cancer entitled "The Immune System" is 1-888-464-5867. The cost for both, delivered, is $36.95." Does anybody else see the irony in this paragraph? Brian ===== All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegs awound? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. |
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Re: lung cancer flax/cottage cheese
My Grandmother has small cell lung cancer.? I was told for her to eat about 2 cups of cottage cheese to 8 tablespoons of flax seed oil.? It is making her too full.? Is that the right dosage?? Can she eat a tablespoon or two of flax and then some cottage cheese or must it be mixed?? I have seen where some have mixed it with yogurt.? Is that as good?? thanks Kim
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Studies
Cliff Beckwith
Hi Mike,
I am glad that you are on the Flax 2 group address now. It has been a struggle to get that done. At least I know more about lists than I did then. I remember being n contact with the Toronto gal back in 1993. My cousin got a tape of program she was on from the CBC. I would still like to have had a study of the same thing that had bread that didn't have the flax. A comparison with Tamoxifen is at least some comparison. except . It is also possible that there is something in the flax seeds, perhaps in the Lignans, that acts as a phytoestrogen which is apart from the Omega 3. I don't remember the sources over the years as to the effect of heat but my understanding is that heat destroys the Omega 3. That is why the oil must be cold pressed. A friend of mine talked with Bruce Barlean recently and Bruce told him that if the pressing temperature goes as high as 200 degrees, which some may be doing to get the last drop of oil, [and, incidentally, still claiming that their product is cold pressed] that the value of the Omega 3 is destroyed completely. I understand the optimum pressing temperature is 110 Degrees. However, I am now seeing a logical explanation to the bread and I am learning. Tamoxifen is a synthetic estrogen. I am quite sure that the Flax seeds contain an estrogen. I now remember that I have heard some claim that the main value of Flax seeds was in the phytoestrogens. The estrogens would not be destroyed by heat but the Omega 3 in that amount would not be any good any more but perhaps is not in enough quantity to be harmful. Incidentally, Tamoxifen is a double edged sword. It will reduce the chances of return of breast cancer by 41%. It will increase the chances of Abdominal cancer by 545%. We have lost one good friend this way already. She was doing fine on flaxseed oil and cottage cheese until a daughter who, by her father's admission, is the smartest lady in Florida, got her off that "snake oil" and onto Tamoxifen. The synthetic estrogens have some value, but many dangers. These are in very fine print on the back of the bottle. This might explain t he studies with a lot of other studies as well involving Flax seeds. |
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Re: Book Sale?????
David Reese
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Sure you are not trying to sell your wife's book here. You say you are not trying to be negative but looks to me that is what you are doing. I do not buy my flax oil from Barleans but do have their order form. I think they are the one that had Dr. Budwig's two books translated into English and they do sell them. The Flax oil as a True Aid... list for the grand sum of $1.95. If they went to the expense of getting the books published and translated why would they be nuts enough to mention the competition. I think most of the people on this list have cancer or health problems and some of us have had cancer and used the flax oil longer than others with at least some good results. After 18 months on Gerson therapy I started cheating on the diet too much. While on Gerson the psa was under control and dropping but my self discipline went to hell and I started doing everything you are not supposed to do to be successful on Gerson. Gerson started you off among many other things with 2 tbl of flax oil and one cup of cc or yogurt a day and very shortly dropped the oil down to 1 tbl per day. When I quit Gerson I realized real quick I needed somethng to bring the psa back down or slow it down so went up to between 4 to 8 tbl a day and it did bring the psa back down. Can't expect flax to do it all by itself though. I am more than satisfied with what flax oil can do and I don't want to wait for the "scientific study", that will probably never be tried with the cc or yogurt. I did not avail myself of conventional therapy of any kind except for the original biopsy and get a blood test every month. Over 5 1/2 yr now. Do I believe everything Budwig says. Nope. I do know that flax oil helps people with health problems from a little to a lot. Thats the longest email in a year so guess that will last me another year. Dave Reese ps. I buy my flax oil from Omega Nutrition and at a lower cost. They are slower in getting the shipment to you than Barleans but after dealing with them for 5 1/2 years I can live with that. mike martin wrote: |
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Re: Flax in Bread
mike martin
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýCliff :
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Most of the studies where based on either breads or
muffins so heres one:
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December 2000, Breast Cancer Symposium, Professors
Lillian Thompson? from the University of Toronto noted : reducing tumor
growth in humans by 30% using 2 1/2 tablespoons of ground flax mixed with a
muffin for women with breast cancer. The study was also broadened to compare
these results against patients who where taking tamoxifen and they where found
to be identical. Meaning that patients that where taking this drug where having
the same results as the patients that where eating the muffins. The medical
community had a fit that flax could be so useful and they have immediately set
about to discredit her finds - but as of yet, her claims still stand up. So we
do have some idea about how new ideas our recieved by the establishment. So
heres yet another example of how beneficial flax can be.
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I didnt list more because like I said most of the
studies where conducted in that way. I have the complete study here or you can
do a medline search and read it for yourself.
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Heat appears not bother the effectiveness of the
Flax, One study where they where actually using flax seed oil in a stir fry
recipe noted that a strong fish oder was present when the oil was used in that
way which basically made it very unappetizing.
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Is there any studies from Dr. Budwig that support
her claim to the safety of heating flax?
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Re: Need info/
In a message dated 10/25/01 5:40:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
sleeper@... writes: << I stopped completely after getting advise but then sneaked back to 3 tablespoons per day of ground seed. Just so you know who you're dealing with, I also take aloe vera juice, a tea called Cancera which Hola Pat.....I have not taken the oil because of the flack surrounding it. I do, however, as you do, take three tablespoons of the flax meal from ground seed....not yet with CC, but I'm going on that next. I'm one of the undiagnosed, never had a biop..no way!...psa at 6 (I'm 72 yrs. young)..no other symptoms..but I want to reduce the psa. I. for one, don't think that the ground seed causes the potential problem the pure oil does. I don't know for sure. Does anyone? Stuart |
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Flax in Bread
Cliff Beckwith
Hi,
Thiere is point that I have seen rather often that I want to question. Heat kills Omega 3. We are warned not to cook with Flaxseed oil. How then does it help to put Flaxseeds or Flax flour in bread? Maybe there is an answer to this that escapes me at present. Does the Biochemist who advocates this have any studies that show scientifically that there is a difference in cancer prevention, etc. by the use of bread with Flax flour and ordinary bread and no other differences? One other thing is that the Europian establishment, as well as the American, want no part of Dr. Bidwg's work. It would mean a restructering of the oils industry. It would eliminate hydrogenated oils. Products would no longer have a long shelf life. It would mean disaster for the financial returns of the Oncology Industry. It will never happen. We have to remember what we are really facing. Cliff In order to understand the whole situation better, I am enclosing these items. I cannot document either one, but I believe both to be true. In the summer of 1993 a man stopped in from Chattanooga. When he retired he was second in charge of all the TVA power plants. He had lost his wife the year before in a cancer treatment complex in Illinois. Before she died she was talking to the head doctor of the whole establishment. She asked him whether he could foresee any hope for people in her condition. He replied, "I'll be frank with you. No! In our society the biggest income producers are the energy companies. The second biggest income producer is cancer and if we were to announce today that we had a cure for cancer it would cause the biggest depression America has ever seen. Our leaders will NOT LET THAT HAPPEN!" In his book, "The Cancer Answer", Al carter says that, directly or indirectly, there are more people making a living on cancer than there are people who have it. The new toll free number for Al Carter's book, and an excellent video tape on Cancer entitled "The Immune System" is 1-888-464-5867. The cost for both, delivered, is $36.95. Two years ago a friend of my son's told him that he had heard a news broadcast that told of a study just completed at Johns Hopkins that concluded that of people who die of cancer half die of cancer and half die of chemo and that chemo actually helps only two or three per cent of those taking it. That report was buried immediately. My son has put a more complete and detailed account of the tape on a personal web page on the internet. We will not update the tape again, but we will update the web page account as needed. The address is E Mail spinner@... Very soon, within a day or so, we will be on line with www.beckwithfamily.com This is because a forced change of address by earthlink to our personal web site forced us off the search engines. We are going to a commercial type website to get back on the search engines. Cliff |
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Re: Need info/
Pat and Gail Muldowney
Hi LJ and Jane, Fx/cc seems to be doing find by me although my psa went up
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while I've been on it. However, there are many other things it could have been. I've been warned about the oil but still not convinced that it's bad for prostate cancer. I stopped completely after getting advise but then sneaked back to 3 tablespoons per day of ground seed. Just so you know who you're dealing with, I also take aloe vera juice, a tea called Cancera which I was told is for cancer, at a dry goods market in Guadalajara and another tea prescribed to me from a witch father in the mountains who ran hemostats over my body. psa 3.8. Pat in Mexico ----- Original Message -----
From: <leird@...> To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:18 PM Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Need info/ This is our first time to post. Thanks to Cliff for his efforts! |
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Re: Prostate Caancer
In a message dated 10/24/2001 3:19:17 PM Central Daylight Time, spinner@... writes:
This is a document on Vitamin C in connection with Beta glucan from another ________________ Has anyone heard of Ream's testing to determine what supplements are needed? It is the greatest thing I've been acquainted with. ?This was made known by Dr. Carey Reams. ??Fascinating!! Not everyone needs the same supplements. For instance, If your ph is too acid and you take something acid and drive it further down, you are in trouble and the reverse is true. They analyze the urine and saliva. ?It can even determine if you are a month or so away from a heart attack. Edith |
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Re: Need info/
Benny and The Jet
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It's Ben Blanton Seems that my oncologist is wanting me to do radiation to shrink lymph nodes that they think are pressing against my bronchial tube - but how do they know that is the problem - all they have to go by is a ct-scan from last week that shows my nodes are shrinking - they can't actually see inside to determine that is the problem - and the radiologist says that the tube is not blocked, so what are they really trying to do - as I understand it, they will bombard my heart lungs, esophagus, veins and so on to try to shrink a lymph node that is already shrinking - this makes no sense to me - and by the way, they read the scan as enlarged - so who do you believe? I believe the radiologist who reread the scan and confirms his original reading - be very careful with doctors because they only know how to treat you with the means they know and they are not necessarily the best or only way to go - ask a lot of questions and if the answers are questionable, get another opinion. That is what I'm going to do! Ben -----Original Message-----
From: Jean Cook [mailto:jeanc@...] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:36 AM To: FlaxSeedOil2@... Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Need info/ You need more flax oil with cancer. I take 9TBS. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <leird@...> To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:18 PM Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Need info/ This is our first time to post. Thanks to Cliff for his efforts! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FlaxSeedOil2-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Re: Prostate Caancer
JudyK
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýBen....so glad to hear of your success with FO/CC
how much have you been taking?????? Thanks Judy Hoffman PS keep us
updated.
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Re: Lignans..Question
Joan Troutt
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThanks for reminding me of the typo, I meant "for
ear infections" , according to the owner of the "health shoppe" who has 5
children.? I type too fast and always in a hurry. thanks.Joan
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Re: Prostate Caancer
melanie
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýBen, I just want to say CONGRATULATIONS!!!! It's
always nice to hear stories like yours! I wish you the best of health in your
future!
Your friend,
Melanie
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Re: Prostate Caancer
Benny and The Jet
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi -
my name is Ben Blanton.
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I just
signed on to the group yesterday. Briefly, I was diagnosed with colon
cancer?4 years ago and went through 8 months of chemo. Everything went well
until August of this year, when at 52, it was discovered that it had moved into
the lymph nodes between my lungs, and on to my brain. In late Aug., the tumor
was removed from my brain and I was told that if I didn't go on chemo/radiation
I would probably die within a year. I chose NOT to do their poisons when I
discovered flax oil/ cottage cheese - in about 10 days, 4 different people told
me about fo/cc and I began taking it on Sept.4th - I had a ct-scan just last
week which showed that the nodes had shrunk since the last scan in Aug.!
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I was wondering, however, if any of you have ever heard
of another alternative that I have begun - it's about high acidity (cancer) in
the body vs.. high alkalinity (cancer free) in the body - the gist of it is that
cancer in a high ph body?can not survive - below is a link that explains it
better, somewhat long, but well worth the read
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I will be interested in your comments on this -
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Ben Blanton
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From: Joel Agee [mailto:jagee@...] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 3:30 PM To: FlaxSeedOil2@... Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Prostate Caancer Cliff, |
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Re: Prostate Caancer
Joel Agee
Cliff,
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How much Vitamin C do you take?? Also, I haven't heard of Beta Glucan and the rebounder.? Can you say something more about these??? Best wishes,
Cliff Beckwith wrote: I am close to 11 years now since diagnosis.? The use of Flaxseed oil, and |
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Re: Prostate Caancer
Cliff Beckwith
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list. I currently am using 3000 mgs of Beta Glucan a day and 9000 mgs of time release vitamin C. I think I should be using Ester C and am going to as soon as the present supply runs out. I should know in a couple of days if this has had an effect on my PSA. Cliff Hi Cliff, the only published information I have read to support your suggestion, is that boosting the immune system through use of medicinal mushrooms or yeast beta glucan,. quickly depletes the body of Vitamin C. Once Vitamin C is depleted the immune system will no longer function in an activated state. Since in order to work at maximun capcity, it needs significant quantities (gramm amounts) of Vitamin C daily. Sure the average daily requirement for Vitamin C may be only 50 or 100 milligramms. But thats when the immune system is not activated. Once activated, many gramms a day of Vitamin C can be utilized by the immune system. If you dont get that extra Vitamin C, then the beta glucan will be alomst useless and the body will not respond. Taking glucan without Vitamin C is a waste of time and money. Research suggests glucan derived from medicinal mushrooms may benefit from Vitamin C even more than yeast glucan, through breaking up long molecules and assisting assimilation. If you dont take Vitamin C, and have a break from glucan therapy, then after some time the vitamin C supply in the body will be restored from ones diet. Then after a break, the glucan will be effective again for a day or two, untill all the Vitamin C is again depleted in the body and the glucan again stops working. moonbeam -----Original Message-----
From: Joel Agee <jagee@...> To: FlaxSeedOil2@... <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Prostate Caancer Cliff, |
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Re: Prostate Caancer
Cliff Beckwith
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Dr. Borman is on the Flax oil list but may not have had time to switch to the new address. I am sure she wil not mind if I post a letter to me some time ago t hat says it all. Dear Cliff: Hi Cliff. I'm so sad to hear of your ordeal with prostate CA. I think what you're doing is teriffic. Thank God for your progress. We originally opened our clinic in TJ in 1992 to treat specifically prostate CA with Hyperthermia (without chemo or radiation). We still treat a large number of prostate patients since that was one of Dr. Freeman's specialities. Yes, glucans + flaxseed oil is excellent. Add some Enzymes when needed and you've got a great combination. I have put the link to my website up for you to peruse. Simply go to the Products site and choose what you want to order. Go to the order page, printit off and fill it out and fax it over with a credit card and we'll ship out. I have Betacan(tm) 500 in stock (encapsulated pure glucan powder) or just the raw powder itself. Most people prefer the encapsulated stuff. Dr. Bormann Mailing address Arrowhead Health Works Carolyn Boreman, N. D., C. P. PO Box 950 Twin Peaks CA 92391 phone 909 338 3533 Fax 909 338 7343 OK...to answer your questions...yes, glucan is a "must have" for cancer patients. Here's some copy off my website: WHAT DOES IT DO AND WHAT IS IT USED FOR? Basically, what glucans seem to do is to stimulate / irritate your white blood cells called Macrophages into action. There is actually beta glucan receptors displayed by immune cells that the lectin fits right into like a lock and key and switches on or activates the macrophage to do it's job...clean up. Increased macrophage activity triggers a whole cascade of immune events, which basically boost immune response, which improves Natural Host Resistance. However, RESPONSE IS RECEPTOR MEDIATED (in other words, if the macrophage in the gut peritoneal lining lymphatics is not displaying a receptor site for glucan or they're blocked by other lectins, then the glucan simply passes by and is excreted). There is no danger we know of for causing excessive macrophage activity and damage the immune response, or creating an autoimmune condition. Primarily glucan is used to add immunological punch to products to address the ever increasing incidence of chronic infections, inflammations (arthritis), and other immune stressing things like allergies, poor diet, bad work habits, etc. It is used extensively in the veterinarian industry, fishing industry, and skin care. Recently it is crossing over into human nutrition. It is proven beneficial for conditions related to immunity. available: This product is important to keep Host Resistance at optimal levels. It is an excellent antioxidant / free radical scavenger and especially beneficial for those undergoing treatment for immune-related conditions such as cancer, AIDS, CFIDS, or other infections. It is also a good preventative and booster for the average person wanting to strengthen their resistance. In terms of dosage for beta glucan, it's usually figured at a min. of 10mg./kilo of bodyweight per dose...caps are taken at bedtime and upon rising on an empty stomach. I usually have our cancer patients taking 2 caps twice daily and then we do a darkfield microscopy to see how their macrophages seem to be doing. Some patients who are early on in their cancer have intact immune system function and only need 1 cap twice daily...some only need 1 cap at bedtime 4 times a week...it depends on the case. I'd love to private label it for you if you want for your site...very low minimums since I control the entire process from manufacture right through to packaging. Tell me the best way I can help you reach your goal...you can feel free to take anything in terms of copy from my website materials also. I've had alot of experience in this arena so I'll be glad to be of service... Carolyn Bormann, N.D.,C.P. -----Original Message-----
From: Joel Agee <jagee@...> To: FlaxSeedOil2@... <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Prostate Caancer Cliff, |
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