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Low power output (<1W) on 40,80 & 160M only.


 

Has anyone run into this before?
My 857D has very low power output on 40,80 & 160M only.
The radio draws very little current on the bands with the problem
100W on other bands.
Rx okay on all bands
Did a full reset
Did the relay clean procedure
I can't find any path in the relay switching that only includes those bands.


Adrian Fewster
 

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Is this on all modes, ie, ssb and cw/fm ?


73


vk4tux

On 15/4/24 04:47, W7SS via groups.io wrote:

Has anyone run into this before?
My 857D has very low power output on 40,80 & 160M only.
The radio draws very little current on the bands with the problem
100W on other bands.
Rx okay on all bands
Did a full reset
Did the relay clean procedure
I can't find any path in the relay switching that only includes those bands.


 

Yes, the problem happens in all modes.


 

Are you on SSB?


On Sun, Apr 14, 2024, 2:47?PM W7SS via <kf7dur=[email protected]> wrote:
Has anyone run into this before?
My 857D has very low power output on 40,80 & 160M only.
The radio draws very little current on the bands with the problem
100W on other bands.
Rx okay on all bands
Did a full reset
Did the relay clean procedure
I can't find any path in the relay switching that only includes those bands.


 

The ALC is full bars on the non working bands


 

No output when I key the mic in service menu # 28
When I exited the service mode the radio put out full power on 160M the first time I keyed it.
Couldn't get it to do it again....


 

Before panic, Have you tried it into a known good dummy load?
The ALC for SWR is developed in the output of the radio and a high SWR would do just what you are saying. It is possible since the lower bands are what is giving trouble.


 
Edited

Yes, it is connected to my service monitor with a good working wattmeter.? I'm reading about 100mW (+19dbm) on the bad bands and 100W + on the working bands.
BTW: on the good bands the ALC is very low and when I momentarily key the radio with the coax disconnected the ALC reading doesn't change.


 

My bad, the reading in service menu # 28 is 166.
Before I pulled the radio out of service I verified there was no power output on 2 different watt meters.


Adrian Fewster
 

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Check with swr meter fitted inline on output ?


73


vk4tux

On 15/4/24 07:10, W7SS via groups.io wrote:

My bad, the reading in service menu # 28 is 166.
Before I pulled the radio out of service I verified there was no power output on 2 different watt meters.


 

You might learn something with your scope on the input to the driver. I don't remember the bandpass arrangement on these, but when I get a chance I will take?a look. Perhaps some PIN diode bad. The receiver good on all bands?


On Sun, Apr 14, 2024, 4:01?PM W7SS via <kf7dur=[email protected]> wrote:
Yes, it is connected to my service monitor with a good working wattmeter.? I'm reading about 20mW (+19dbm) on the bad bands and 100W + on the working bands.
BTW: on the good bands the ALC is very low and when I momentarily key the radio with the coax disconnected the ALC reading doesn't change.


 

Yes, it's not an antenna SWR problem.
I'm pretty sure the problem is with the relays in the bandpass filter section of the PA.
The radio hasn't been used much in the last few years and I assume the relays didn't like not being exercised.
I can certainly troubleshoot the problem but was trying to save some time by asking if someone else had the same issue and knew what the fix was.


 

As I stated in my original post the rx is okay on all bands.


Adrian Fewster
 

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Yes relays/contacts etc are the most likely cause internal as you say.

Sniffing the RF Volt level with a scope on TX path should identify the location.


Good luck

On 15/4/24 07:43, W7SS via groups.io wrote:

Yes, it's not an antenna SWR problem.
I'm pretty sure the problem is with the relays in the bandpass filter section of the PA.
The radio hasn't been used much in the last few years and I assume the relays didn't like not being exercised.
I can certainly troubleshoot the problem but was trying to save some time by asking if someone else had the same issue and knew what the fix was.


 

Thanks Adrian, I'll chase down the relay problem tomorrow and post my results.


 

Same issue on my 857D in locator FN35BQ.

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Le dim. 14 avr. 2024, à 16 h 42, W7SS via <kf7dur=[email protected]> a écrit?:
The ALC is full bars on the non working bands



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Did you fix it?


 

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Hi
I had same problem ?last year (although different bands), reset didn’t do anything. ?it was a relay I believe. Yeasu fixed it under warrantee.
Cheers
Mike

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On 15 Apr 2024, at 02:47, W7SS via groups.io <kf7dur@...> wrote:

?Has anyone run into this before?
My 857D has very low power output on 40,80 & 160M only.
The radio draws very little current on the bands with the problem
100W on other bands.
Rx okay on all bands
Did a full reset
Did the relay clean procedure
I can't find any path in the relay switching that only includes those bands.