waqua creel Daniel family
i am a direct descendant of ¡°Peter Daniel¡±, brother of Mabry Daniel. Prevailing theory has it that these brothers are the sons of Sarah/Sally Daniel, daughter of Joseph Daniel Sr., and a mysterious ¡°Peter Daniel¡±. I have recently taken a y-dna test and the results seem to dispel this theory. Most of my matches indicate that I descent from a ¡°Potts¡±. ?Given that Sarah¡¯s sister Elizabeth married a ¡°Potts¡±, I¡¯m leaning toward an ¡°adoption¡± theory.
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Re: waqua creek database?
Here is an interesting titbit. The John Barrow that married Dinnah Daniel was later married to the mother of Elizabeth Parker, who went on to marry Peter, brother of Mabry.
There are too many Potts matches. maybe informal adoption?
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:36 AM Joe Daniel via <jdhardscrabble= [email protected]> wrote: I don't know how complete it is , but I have quite a bit of it on Ancestry. Chris Edmonds has a pretty extensive tree on Ancestry as well, I don't know how complete it is, but if you have an Ancestry acct. you can check them out. If you have an Ancestry acct. I can send you an invite?
? ? I have used "hypotheticals " to attach several of the trees that are connected to my dna matches, mainly so I could have them all in one place. I built tees for my y-dna matches hoping to find where they all converge, so far not much luck, need more testers and more doing a Big-Y test. Primary records are the biggest problem all too often they don't exist anymore .?
? ? I did come across something while reading a thread on one of the Genetic genealogy pages on FaceBook , the question was similar to your situation , someone did a y37 test and the matches came back with different surnames, one responder mentioned that at 37 markers even at zero genetic distance the common ancestor could still be 10 -12 or more generations back. So there may be two things going on here. There may not be any other descendants of Peter Daniel that have tested yet and the difference in surnames could have come from farther back , only way I can see to sort it out will be getting more people to test. That is the hard part, I can forward to you the names and/or addresses of the people I have located to see if you recognize any of them. , I have sent letters to some of them, so far no response. I don't blame people for being cautious about someone approaching the about DNA testing and I too can understand they might not really be interested at all in Genealogy, I may try again at some point .?
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On Sunday, September 27, 2020, 06:29:01 PM EDT, Marshall Daniels < mdaniels6818@...> wrote:
does anyone have a somewhat complete tree for this group?
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Re: waqua creek database?
I don't know how complete it is , but I have quite a bit of it on Ancestry. Chris Edmonds has a pretty extensive tree on Ancestry as well, I don't know how complete it is, but if you have an Ancestry acct. you can check them out. If you have an Ancestry acct. I can send you an invite?
? ? I have used "hypotheticals " to attach several of the trees that are connected to my dna matches, mainly so I could have them all in one place. I built tees for my y-dna matches hoping to find where they all converge, so far not much luck, need more testers and more doing a Big-Y test. Primary records are the biggest problem all too often they don't exist anymore .?
? ? I did come across something while reading a thread on one of the Genetic genealogy pages on FaceBook , the question was similar to your situation , someone did a y37 test and the matches came back with different surnames, one responder mentioned that at 37 markers even at zero genetic distance the common ancestor could still be 10 -12 or more generations back. So there may be two things going on here. There may not be any other descendants of Peter Daniel that have tested yet and the difference in surnames could have come from farther back , only way I can see to sort it out will be getting more people to test. That is the hard part, I can forward to you the names and/or addresses of the people I have located to see if you recognize any of them. , I have sent letters to some of them, so far no response. I don't blame people for being cautious about someone approaching the about DNA testing and I too can understand they might not really be interested at all in Genealogy, I may try again at some point .?
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On Sunday, September 27, 2020, 06:29:01 PM EDT, Marshall Daniels <mdaniels6818@...> wrote:
does anyone have a somewhat complete tree for this group?
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does anyone have a somewhat complete tree for this group?
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Re: William Daniel of Brunswick
Yes there's no doubt William and Anne had sons John, Alexander and Drury , the question I guess is, is there enough evidence to say that the men by those names in Rowan NC were the same men ? I went back and re-read Payne's compilation on the brothers Joseph , Thomas and William of Brunswick and there seems to be some interaction between the Rowan group with each other but no clear connection to Brunswick . Having said that I do believe they are the same but I would like more than a supposition?
? ? Then there's the issue of Josiah Daniel there in Rowan and how he fits in. Some of the reason I'm asking these questions is my Dad's autosomal dna kit has matches with supposed descendants of Alexander , John and Josiah ,providing the tree's I have built for them are correct (that research is on going ) and I would like to make sure the connections are correct.
On Tuesday, September 22, 2020, 01:51:20 PM EDT, Marshall Daniels <mdaniels6818@...> wrote:
BRUNSWICK COUNTY 28 Jan 1786 Will of William Daniel of St. Andrew¡¯s Parish Wife Anne, to have negroes Jacob, Sue and Lydia; youngest son Ellick; son George; son John; son Drury; execs: friends John Rogers and William Barrow; wits: John Wright and Thomas Daniel; signed William (X) Daniel); proved 23 Oct 1786 (WB 5, p. 183) 12 Jan 1793
On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 1:16 PM Joe Daniel via <jdhardscrabble= [email protected]> wrote: Was wondering if anyone has any definitive proof for the children of William Daniel (wife Anne) b. ? died 1786 in Brunswick, being the same as the John , Alexzander (Elleck) and Drury found in Rowan NC ? I believe I have pieced together some things for John and Elleck and it would be nice to be able to confirm that their father was William. I have read Payne Daniel's compilation about the Joseph ,Thomas and William of Brunswick and I know it indicated the connection but is it enough to confirm ?
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Re: William Daniel of Brunswick
BRUNSWICK COUNTY 28 Jan 1786 Will of William Daniel of St. Andrew¡¯s Parish Wife Anne, to have negroes Jacob, Sue and Lydia; youngest son Ellick; son George; son John; son Drury; execs: friends John Rogers and William Barrow; wits: John Wright and Thomas Daniel; signed William (X) Daniel); proved 23 Oct 1786 (WB 5, p. 183) 12 Jan 1793
On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 1:16 PM Joe Daniel via <jdhardscrabble= [email protected]> wrote: Was wondering if anyone has any definitive proof for the children of William Daniel (wife Anne) b. ? died 1786 in Brunswick, being the same as the John , Alexzander (Elleck) and Drury found in Rowan NC ? I believe I have pieced together some things for John and Elleck and it would be nice to be able to confirm that their father was William. I have read Payne Daniel's compilation about the Joseph ,Thomas and William of Brunswick and I know it indicated the connection but is it enough to confirm ?
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William Daniel of Brunswick
Was wondering if anyone has any definitive proof for the children of William Daniel (wife Anne) b. ? died 1786 in Brunswick, being the same as the John , Alexzander (Elleck) and Drury found in Rowan NC ? I believe I have pieced together some things for John and Elleck and it would be nice to be able to confirm that their father was William. I have read Payne Daniel's compilation about the Joseph ,Thomas and William of Brunswick and I know it indicated the connection but is it enough to confirm ?
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Re: James & Priscilla Daniel Family, Essex Co. VA?
BTW, MyHeritage is about the only family history provider I have not subscribed to. I got a temporary account a few years ago and then discovered that compilers were just uploading all the bad information that was also being uploaded to Ancestry, FamilySearch and WikiTree, so blew my GEDCOM away and unsubscribed from MyHertiage and am now just focusing on getting (and keeping) my Daniels correct on FamilySearch and WikiTree shared public trees. I have my personal tree on Ancestry, too and put speculative stuff in my tree, but only what has been proved using primary records on shared public trees on FamilySearch and WikiTree. I just had a big wrestling match with someone who kept trying to make my William Daniel 1680-1765 a son of James Daniel 1664-1742. Sigh.
Kevin
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Re: James & Priscilla Daniel Family, Essex Co. VA?
Yeah, autosomal DNA would definitely be hit or miss and unreliable that far back.?
Pretty cool that Essex records can now be viewed at home! That is a recent development. I downloaded everything I wanted from Old Rappahannock and Essex a few years ago at my local affiliate library. A few years ago Caroline court order books were also available for viewing at my affiliate library and I downloaded the most critical records all in one day, figuring I would have plenty of time to download the rest at my leisure. There are a lot of mentions of the Daniel and associated families in Caroline court order books. Unfortunately, the next time I went back to copy the rest, Caroline records had been locked down and I could no longer even look at them. It has been that way for several years, now.
Now I have bought most of the Sparacio transcripts of Caroline court order books which start in the 1760s and go to the 1780s and also copied part of the references to the Daniel surname from the John Frederick Dorman transcripts which start in 1732 and go to about 1770. A library about an hour away has a partial set of the Dorman transcripts. I have a three hour drive staring me in the face to get to the nearest library that has the complete set. The ones I need are not available via inter-library loan. Post pandemic, I will do that. Luckily, making digital copies is still free at the nearby library and at the other library, so it will just cost me the gas to drive there.
I just checked out the Essex records and you can still maximize the images of part of the page, right click and save that part, save an image, or images, of the rest and then use an image editor to create an image of the whole page that is legible. Laborious, but doable. Might want to make copies that way, before that option goes away. I am going to revisit Old Rapphannock and Essex to double check to make sure that I have everything I need.?
I have started building a document which contains all of the mentions of the surname Daniel and families associated with my Daniels in Caroline County, but it has along way to go. I will eventually put that on line.
I will forward your email.
Best,
Kevin
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Re: James & Priscilla Daniel Family, Essex Co. VA?
Hi Kevin,
Thanks so much for the informative reply, very helpful.
Please do forward my email to the James Daniel (d. 1742) testers.
I¡¯ve love to see if there are any atDNA matches. Though the MRCA
would be a ways back in time, so it might not be a large enough cM
match to show up clearly. The problem I¡¯ve been having is that
with a surname like ¡®Daniel¡¯ there are way too many ¡°results¡± to
sort through in doing a surname search among the matches that I
have. I can¡¯t figure out a method to limit the results to only
surnames and exclude given names.? I tested at FamilyTree and
transferred to My Heritage.
I¡¯ve been able to view records of Essex Co. (deeds, probate, court
records) from home via a basic Family Search account for maybe the
past month or so. View only, can¡¯t download images, and of course
no Caroline Co. at all. Guess I¡¯d better knock on wood, quick, and
hope it stays that way for Essex. But I can no longer download
Essex Co. record images from a local affiliate library. Lost that
ability a few weeks ago. In fact for the past couple of years
there has been a group of VA counties whose records I could view
and download from an affiliate library (but not from home), but
starting a couple of weeks ago, it¡¯s now view only from both the
affiliate library and from home. And there are still quite a few
counties besides Caroline that are FHC only, beyond frustrating!
Thanks again,
C. Etter
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Hi Berlene,
? Ditto, I hope everyone is surviving the pandemic. CNN reported that things are probably not going to get back to normal until the end of 2021. Sigh.
If you go to ?and go to the Participants page and search on 4180, you will see that the ancestor of that kit is Baswell/Basil Daniel and there is a brief biography and one other kit mentioned that matches kit 4180.?
There eleven total matches to kit 4180, from kit 14274 to kit 679974 on the Results page of the Daniel DNA web site. Five of the kit owners have not listed who their ancestor has been proven to be.
Part of the greeting email to new participants stresses the desirability of naming their earliest ancestor who can be proved using primary records, but it is up to them if they do so.
The kit owner has control of listing the earliest ancestor that they can prove using primary records (ideally). If there is no name, they have chosen to not add one.?
Y DNA does not lie if it tells that we do or do not connect to someone else on a paternal line. Only primary record evidence can prove how we connect.?
Best,
Kevin
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Hope all is well with every one.? Sure will be glad when all is back on track again.
I was wondering if any one can tell me who #4180 matches with on the DanielDNA project, please?
Levi #12914 is one of his sons.? Another son, Nathaniel is also listed with #1480.? Also why is there no name associated with this number?
I am not very versed on DNA so know very little about it.
Also I have begun to doubt the veracity that my direct line of Bazil/Basil et.al. Daniel are the ones listed on the
1790 Pendleton District, South Carolina census record. Although, according to my DNA test, I some how connect?
with this group; most who won the Georgia Land Lottery.
Any help is very appreciated
Berlene Jacques
4th great granddaughter of Basil/Bazel Daniel
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Re: James & Priscilla Daniel Family, Essex Co. VA?
Hi,
? ?Not sure if anyone on this list is researching this family, though I am maintaining an awareness of progress with research on James Daniel 1664-1742 of Essex. My Daniel family was in Essex until 1728 when Caroline County was created.
? ?Several descendants of James Daniel have taken a Y DNA test. If you go to the Results page at ?this family is represented by kits N62606-16753. There is a brief biography of James Daniel 1664-1742 on the Participants page, which also lists the matching kits for this line. If you like, I can forward your email to the contact email address for each kit.
? ?Y DNA testing has proved that James of Essex was unrelated to any other major Daniel family participating in the Daniel DNA Project. I think descendants of all of the major lines who can be proved using primary records are participating, though the lines of John Daniel of York County and Roger Daniell of Warwick County have not been proved. That being said, I have spent quite a bit of time looking at the primary records for all of the major Daniel lines and there is nothing to suggest that James Daniel of Essex had any contact or was at all related to either line.?
? ?Yes, the Conduit connection is very valuable for sorting the Essex from the Caroline Daniel families. It is very confusing as at some point, a James Daniel of Essex, perhaps a son of the James whose estate was settled in 1764 (?), moved about that time to Caroline County and settled in the vicinity of my Daniel family and his family even intermarried with the Sneed family which had been associated with my Daniels since before Caroline County was created in 1728. The Conduit connection was very useful in separating the two families in primary records, though Y DNA testing provided the final evidence. One of the Daniel men in the Daniel DNA project descends from this James.
? ? Heritage Books has reprinted the Caroline County court order books transcribed by Ruth and Sam Sparacio which go from the 1760s-1780s, as well as some land tax records also transcribed by the Sparacios. This is about all that remains of early Caroline records, most of which were destroyed during the Civil War. These records were microfilmed by the LDS but are locked down by Caroline County and not available for viewing now that they have been digitized. John Frederick Dorman transcribed Caroline court order books from 1732 to about 1760 but copies of these are scarce as hens' teeth. Caroline court order books from 1728 to early 1732 are lost. They are held by various library reference departments, but typically not available via inter-library loan. A library about an hour from where I live has some of them and another library about three hours away has the rest. You have to go there to see them. I think everything pertaining to James of Essex is in the Sparacio transcription, though I have yet to view everything from the 1750s and 1760s.
? ?Most early Essex records can be viewed at an LDS Family History Center or affiliate library. They are not available for viewing at FamilySearch.org.
Best,
Kevin Daniel
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James & Priscilla Daniel Family, Essex Co. VA?
Hi,
I¡¯m interested in the family of the James Daniel who md. Priscilla,
lived in Essex Co., VA and whose estate was settled in 1764. He was a
son of the James Daniel who also lived in Essex Co. and left a will
recorded in 1742.
Are there any list members who are researching this particular family?
Have any descendants of this family done the Y-DNA test? If so, is this
family related to any of the other colonial VA Daniel families, or any
other Daniel families? It would be very helpful to know! I¡¯ve done the
atDNA testing if there are any interested descendants of this family out
there.
I recently figured out the connection between my Conduit family and the
James Daniel family, so am looking for additional information about this
family, and also for the other Daniel families so I can steer clear of
the other family groups in my research. I¡¯ve been reading through the
older Rootsweb lists and message boards and the old Genforum archives.
Looks like the Daniel family of Middlesex Co., VA had most of the
participants on these lists, or at least the most active ones. Also
currently working my way through whatever I can access for Essex &
Caroline Co. records.
Thanks in advance for any information, ideas, etc.
C. Etter
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Re: Blackburn/Daniel connection
Thanks Kevin I figured if anyone had insight into the Caroline county connection it would be you. I agree there's not enough information to assign this Thomas Blackburn to any other families nor for saying his wife was Sally Daniel ,the search continues . I did in the course of researching the Blackburn's and associated families in Floyd and Pike KY come across a Mary Daniel( don't remember the exact connection but it was through one of the associated families : Thacker , Justice or Collins) , she appears to be the Granddaughter if Isom Daniel and Mary Borders which is part of the Caroline group. It get very confusing when you have different families in close proximity. I may be running down a rabbit hole with the autosomal dna matches to this group but as it's said "if you share dna? you share a common ancestor" the hard part is which one .
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Re: Blackburn/Daniel connection
Meant to say the the Caroline Daniels moved the some of the same counties in Kentucky and Missouri (not Virginia), that the Essex Daniels did....
Kevin
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Re: Blackburn/Daniel connection
Hi Joe,
? ?There were two Daniel families in Caroline County, VA in the 1790s.
First was the line of William Daniel 1680-1765? of Essex and Caroline Counties, VA. This line was just about gone from Caroline County, VA when this marriage took place, as most of the males had migrated out of the county by the late 1790s. Some of William's descendants settled in Floyd/Lawrence/Johnson Counties, KY just before 1810. This bunch left Caroline before the Revolutionary War, though.?
Second was the line of James Daniel 1664-1742 of Essex County, VA. His grandson, James, moved over the Essex line into Caroline County in the late 1760s or early 1770s and was the ancestor of the Daniels from this line in Caroline County. These Daniels remained in Caroline after 1800 but eventually moved to Kentucky and later to Missouri. Coincidentally, descendants of William Daniel 1680-1765 moved to the same counties in Kentucky and Virginia as these Daniels did, but had no interaction in records and Y DNA testing proves the two lines are unrelated.?
This far back, it is difficult to tell who the ancestor is that we share with our matches unless our tree and our matches' tree are very complete for a least of couple of generations back from the suspected shared ancestor.?
I did expend some effort into researching this couple, but could not make any conclusion about which family they belonged to, if either of them.
? ?I descend from William Daniel 1680-1765 of Essex and Caroline. I have matches to folks who have this couple in their tree, but this is pretty far back and I don't take the match to mean that this Sarah is from the line of William Daniel 1680-1765.
Best,
Kevin
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Blackburn/Daniel connection
Wondering if anyone has information on a Thomas Blackburn who married a Sally Daniel , the marriage record is from Caroline co. VA in 1794? , and whether this Thomas Blackburn has any connection to the Thomas that lived and died in Floyd/Pike counties KY. My dad's autosomal dna has matches that appear to trace back to this Thomas Blackburn . Trying to decipher who the dna match actually comes through.? Also the Sally Daniel, if anyone has info on who she was, some tree's on Ancestry have her as being the daughter of a Lucretia Daniel who died 1787 , I have seen the will records for this Lucretia and she did have a daughter Sally , she also had a daughter Lucy who married Reuben Tucker ( My dad also has an autosomal match that appears to connect to that line as well) .
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Hello Ms. Bateman --
I am looking in to Robert Seth Daniels as it appears we may have found a connection to him through YDNA testing.? Although I can't do the YDNA test, I have connected with a couple Daniel(s) descendants through research.? I have a cousin who also descends from my 3rd g-grandfather John M. Daniels (born abt. 1803, possibly in South Carolina, parents unknown although mother is presumed to be a daughter of William Causey) and he has a YDNA match with someone who descends from Josiah Jonas Daniel (born 1793, parents unknown), and another male YDNA match to a Daniels who descends from Robert Seth Daniels. It is possible that you and the last person I mentioned are related as all of the names you mentioned are in that person's tree.? Yours makes 4 Daniel(s) families that I know of whose family information stops from the 1790's to early 1800's, and I think at the very least John M., Josiah Jonas, and Robert Seth were cousins, if not even more closely related.? It would be wonderful if you had a male Daniel(s) who could take the YDNA mentioned above.? Are you on any of the genealogy sites like Ancestry, Family Tree, MyHeritage, GEDmatch, etc., where I can see if we have a DNA connection?
Wendy (James) Lovgren
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Sorry, Robert Seth does not appear in my line. Good luck.
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On Aug 25, 2020, at 3:08 PM, Robert Daniell <roloda@...> wrote:
Hi, Eleanor.
I can't help you with this line, at least at this time. It has no known
connection to my O'Daniel, Daniel, Daniell lines in SC.
Don't know how much gen research experience you have, so I'll offer a
couple of suggestions if I may.
1. Were you familiar with or work with folks in the DANIEL List on
rootsweb, com? Ancestry.com bought out Rootsweb and terminated this
terrific collaboration site. You can still access the Daniel-L Archives
on rootsweb and search for data there. Much was shared and archived on
numerous Daniel lines.
2. Kevin Daniel is the project manager of the Daniel DNA Project.
Reach him at
If you haven't had an appropriate gen Y-DNA test on a direct male
descendant, Kevin can advise what you may need go get. A basic Y-DNA
test of 12 markers is totally worthless for discovering family lines, 67
markers and higher 111 markers are more likely to help. Problem is that
unless someone directly related to your Daniel line has tested, there
can be no match. They would have to be from Robert Seth's brothers, if
any, or from descendants of Robert Seth's uncles, if any.
He is also moderator of the new free Daniel research site at email
address: Daniel groups.io
You will have to join the group, but it's free and you may find help
from contacts there.
3. There are many records available online at the SC Archives at
Large amounts of info there including land grants and old last wills and
testaments. Search by surnames, places.
4. I have a copy of "S. C. WILLS" an Index to "South Carolina Wills 1670
- 1853 or later" Tell me what districts or counties Robert Seth lived in
early SC and I can check for surnames county book and page info.
Nothing else in the book, it is an index only. You may be able to find
it in a library, author Mary Bondurant Warren.
Angus Patterson is listed in Barnwell County Book 2 Page 236.
I did find Seth Daniel and A. Patterson listed as witnesses in the 7
June 1835 LW&T of William Owen, recorded 19 Mar 1836 in Barnwell Will
Book "C", Page 157.
As you may know, I did have family in Barnwell District, SC.
Best regards,
Bob Daniell
On 8/24/2020 3:47 PM, Eleanor Daniels wrote:
Hi, my name is Eleanor Bateman. I am working on tracing my family
genealogy, taking over for my grandma. She got stumped back at a
Robert Seth Daniels, born in 1809, in South Carolina. All we know
about his parents is that they died while he was still young, and he
was adopted by an Angus Patterson. I was wondering if you wouldn't
happen to know of any Roberts who were orphaned at a young age around
then? I saw that y'all have done extensive research into the Daniels
line. If there's nothing easy to find don't worry about it - I just
was hoping you might have the missing link :)
If it helps at all, here's the info that I have on him and his downline:
Robert Seth Daniels, born 12/21/1809 in South Carolina. Married
Regina Hill January 29th, 1833 in Dallas Co. AL. Died 08/29/1878, in
Grandview Texas.
Angus Patterson Daniels, (named for Robert's adopted dad), born
02/10/1840, died 10/19/1930. Married Jane D. Ramsey 01/03/1844 -
06/19/1873.
Meek Levelle Daniels (10/17/1871 - 08/30/1923) married Etta
Harrell (08/27/1877 - 11/22/1957).
Milburn Levelle Daniels (05/24/1906 - 05/19/1947) married Buelah
Belle Joss (12/08/1910 - 04/18/2004)
Paul Rooney Daniels (07/14/1941 - 08/21/2018) married Evon Taylor
(12/18/1940 - present)
Dan Rooney Daniels (05/11/1962 - present) married Vicki McGatlin
(04/16/1962 - present)
Me! Eleanor Dawn (Daniels) Bateman, (born 07/14/2000).
Feel free to use any of that info if it's helpful at all to you :) I
really appreciate your time, and again, don't worry about it if
there's not a quick, easy answer. But if you happen to have any info
at all about Robert Seth, please let me know!!
-Ellie
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Kevin Daniel